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CatholicSoxFan
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That’s just plain false.
Well then why are we even talking about this then? If we’re all wrong, and can never find the truth, there’s no point.
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Bahman
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The idea is to find the anomaly within a framework and try to resolve it. That is the first step toward searching the truth.
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Charlemagne_III
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This is not a claim of infallibility. For example, all Protestant religions deny the Catholic claim of infallibility. They have to. But they cannot then claim it for themselves. What sense would that make?
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Bahman
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Nothing!? It means that your position is as false as theirs when it comes to truth.
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Aloysium
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So reality would be ultimately egalitarian: one person or group is wrong, then everyone is wrong. One knows this how?
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CatholicSoxFan
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That doesn’t follow at all.
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Bahman
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Because your philosophical frameworks hold anomalies which both side cannot resolve. No one can stands pure reason which is anomaly free. Discussions however are fruitful to pick point the anomaly.
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Charlemagne_III
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Non-sequitur.
It stands to reason that God would endow his religion with the truth. God would do so infallibly. Since no other religion claims to be infallible, and cannot point to certain individuals who are endowed with the right and authority to ensure that infallibility, then it logically follows that the religion that does do that must be the infallible one.
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Aloysium
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It is perfectly clear to me: no contradictions, no anomalies. For some reason, you don’t seem to understand. I don’t mean to be uncharitable, but I believe you have heard this before. People are far more interesting than their ideas; I haven’t been able yet to clearly figure you out. I am hopeful that we will meet in paradise, and you can fill me in then. For the moment, I don’t understand why you keep posting. Has anyone actually agreed with things you write? I wish you were gaining from the feedback.
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Servant19
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Yes the first of everything was God who is the Source of all knowledge.
Knowledge accumulates through the gradual collection of knowledge being taught to subsequent generations.
Every generation of scientist does not start from scratch in their quest for knowledge, they LEARN, and are EDUCATED on the collective body of knowledge up to this point and through the grace of God, they forge further with advances in that body of knowledge.
I can assure you, that very first pianist that you say started from scratch was not a concert pianist. This advance due to education, not randomness
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Servant19
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The Universal House of Justice.And who today are its central figures claiming they are infallible?
Where is their statement of infallibility to be found?
Thank you.
They are deemed infallible by Baha’u’llah in His Kitab-i-Aqdas.
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GaryTaylor
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What? Everyone wants to speak for God, I’ll wait till He shows in person, oh wait He did.…or the Bahai Faith
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Servant19
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Yes of course He did, in the Person of Jesus Christ.What? Everyone wants to speak for God, I’ll wait till He shows in person, oh wait He did.
But one must no discount the Person of Lord Krsna who also was “God in Person”:
And one cannot discount the Bab and Baha’u’llah who also claimed they were “God in Person”
I think what is required is a fundamental understanding of what is the World of God, the World of the Kingdom (or the Word) and the World of Creation.
You are talking about the World of Creation only, and it is evident that there were only a few who claimed true Divinity, but in the World of the Kingdom they are all One Being; A Being who exists eternally in the past and eternally in the future, because the World of the Kingdom is co-eternal and an emanation of the World of God.
The deeper aspects of Catholic mysticism touch on these concepts very well. You may not be aware of them dear friend
But it is not until you read the Bahai explications of these realities that it all becomes so clear, so unifying and so liberating. At last I can feel one with the world and all it’s religions and all it’s spiritual Texts
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Charlemagne_III
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Since I am not of your faith, I can’t quite grasp the gist of what you are saying.The Universal House of Justice.
They are deemed infallible by Baha’u’llah in His Kitab-i-Aqdas.
But thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.
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Servant19
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Dear brother in Christ, you may not see it but I certainly see us as being of one Faith. In regards to the Bahai Covenant and the authoritative passing of infallibility in the Bahai Faith, this article may assist you to grasp it better should you wish to avail yourself of itSince I am not of your faith, I can’t quite grasp the gist of what you are saying.
But thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.
info.bahai.org/covenant-of-bahaullah.html
God bless you
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Peter_Plato
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So anyone who claims to be God in person should not be discounted?
I am not clear why this would be true.
There is no warrant for thinking God would appear in all these forms except to confuse or dilute whatever message he wanted humans to hear.
I think I’ll take mine straight up, thank you.
No, what is required is a fundamental understanding of the Word of God, through whom all things came to be.
Only a cursory overview of Catholic mysticism would conclude that anything and everything can be absorbed into a great unifying liberation.The deeper aspects of Catholic mysticism touch on these concepts very well. You may not be aware of them dear friend
But it is not until you read the Bahai explications of these realities that it all becomes so clear, so unifying and so liberating. At last I can feel one with the world and all it’s religions and all it’s spiritual Texts
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Such an endeavor might be possible if all the religions and spiritual texts in the world were entirely in agreement on all matters. Your “faith” sounds like finding the lowest common denominator merely to unify and liberate. The problem is that this “unifying” is at the cost of ignoring very important differences and disagreements on weighty matters. It seems to require a great deal of pretending and feigned ignorance merely to “go along” with unification as a principle goal.
Again, too pricey for me. It would mean having to cash in truth for warm and comfortable feelings of “belonging.”
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Servant19
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No, this is in response to the Christian claims that Jesus is God and therefore must be true.
I personally, look at the teachings, the commanding Word of God revealed and the spiritual transformations it brings about with the ensuing fruitful blossoms and sweet scented deeds and works it reaps. This is Truth, not “I am God” and we just put our hands down and obey like robots, or “I came back from the dead” and we just assume that someones testimony is accurate to the last letter and it must mean that the person who arose is God, and we just follow blindly…
I like to approach things a little more intellectually and analytically
Yes, which is what I stated, if you read again. The World of the Kingdom is the Word of God. The Word is found in the Person of Jesus Christ, but it is also found in the Person of Baha’u’llah. No question
…not because either of them said so, but because of th wonderful fruits that their teachings have brought to the World of Creation
I agree with you, I find Catholic mysticism very much in line with Truth, and I rever it greatly. Baha’i mysticism elaborates on Catholicism further, but you need to decide that for yourself. I have explored this pretty well, and continue to explore. You should not feel hindered to do the same, because it sounds you haven’t when you say:
I invite you to investigate this Faith further, if you so wish. It is your choice dear friend, but what you right here:
…is a fundamental error and misrepresentation of the Baha’i Faith.
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Bahman
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I clearly do understand what you are saying. There are three cases valid here: Consider two philosophical frameworks or system of believes X and Y. X and Y are correct based on pure reasoning which means they are anomaly free and this means that the reality has different faces. In the second case, X is not anomaly free which means that the anomaly can be found hence it can be proven that X is not complete. Once anomaly is resolved, if it is resolvable, either X=Y or X=/=Y which in first case we have one reality maybe two interpretations, and in the second case reality has different faces. The last option is that both X and Y are not anomaly free.
Now lets see whether we can agree upon the unity of reality namely answer this questions: Is there one sole reality? You answer is yes since you in one God. The second question, do we completely understand God? You answer to this question is no. Hence there exist at least one anomaly in any philosophical framework or system of belief which is simply what God is meaning that your impression that your understand of truth is no anomaly free as it is not for others hence your both system of believes are wrong.
I have a list anomalies which we might be cognitively close to some or all of them: 1) Consciousness, 2) Intellect, 3) Free will, 4) Existence in general, 5) Pure Emptiness, 6) Time, 7) Space, …
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