How to deal with "Every religion thinks it's the right one"

[Bahman]

Yes the first of everything was God who is the Source of all knowledge.

That is a conjecture but lets accept it for a little while.

Knowledge accumulates through the gradual collection of knowledge being taught to subsequent generations.

How do we collect the knowledge and what is the rule of intellect. Please don’t tell me that God gives and we do receive since this denies the role of intellect. What is the your definition of intellect?

Every generation of scientist does not start from scratch in their quest for knowledge, they LEARN, and are EDUCATED on the collective body of knowledge up to this point and through the grace of God, they forge further with advances in that body of knowledge.

What is your definition of Intellect? What you are defining is a similar to a computer, with the ability to be reprogrammed and exchange information!

I can assure you, that very first pianist that you say started from scratch was not a concert pianist. This advance due to education, not randomness .

There was no first pianist maybe a dude hitting a bone on a stone.

 

[Peter_Plato]

How do we collect the knowledge and what is the rule of intellect. Please don’t tell me that God gives and we do receive since this denies the role of intellect.

No it doesn’t. The role of the human intellect is to receive its starting premises from experience and move from there to drawing conclusions. This is no different from its role in receiving revelation from God or passed down through tradition.

You seem to have very arbitrary and often discontinuous or conflicting rules about what you allow and disallow as acceptable or “logical.”

 

[Servant19]

That is a conjecture but lets accept it for a little while.

How do we collect the knowledge and what is the rule of intellect. Please don’t tell me that God gives and we do receive since this denies the role of intellect. What is the your definition of intellect?

What is your definition of Intellect? What you are defining is a similar to a computer, with the ability to be reprogrammed and exchange information!

There was no first pianist maybe a dude hitting a bone on a stone.

Hi Bahman,

Are you advocating that we scrap all educational avenues from the planet and when children are born they are free to simply develop their own knowledge roaming the earth, using their own inherent “intellect”?

We need no educators?

We need no parenting?

Seriously?

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[Bahman]

Hi Bahman,

Are you advocating that we scrap all educational avenues from the planet and when children are born they are free to simply develop their own knowledge roaming the earth?

We need no educators?

We need no parenting?

Seriously?

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You got me wrong. Education is necessary but we should have a few students among all who can become better than their teachers otherwise we couldn’t have any progress!

 

[Servant19]

You got me wrong. Education is necessary but we should have a few students among all who can become better than their teachers otherwise we couldn’t have any progress!

Of course, and that’s how the Word of God works and how Revelation works. That’s why its called the “Living” Word of God.

Only when you “apply” the teachings of a Revelation to your daily life will you learn more and more and more to the point that another Revelation is required.

This is the principle of “progressive Revelation” in the Baha’i Faith.

 

[Bahman]

No it doesn’t. The role of the human intellect is to receive its starting premises from experience and move from there to drawing conclusions. This is no different from its role in receiving revelation from God or passed down through tradition.

I used to think like that but not anymore. The main problem with that picture are: 1) one has to assume that creation in your definition or existence in my vocabulary is not complete so it constantly needs Gods intervention. 2) One has to assume the existence of absolute truth per se which contradict the existence of other being since it is complete. 3) It denies the completeness of absolute truth. Absolute truth can be understood based on pure reason without any axiom, unless otherwise it is not complete. It could explain the existence in general in which each part complete another part without one something is missing hence absolute truth is not complete. 4) Nothing could exist without a complete absolute truth, and nothing is created or is borne in this picture. Everything exists but it solely appears depending on necessity subject to constraint of change which is necessary, so called time. 5) There is no beginning or end in this picture unless the whole could achieve the self-experience meaning to understand what is the absolute truth.

You seem to have very arbitrary and often discontinuous or conflicting rules about what you allow and disallow as acceptable or “logical.”

I have learn to constantly question my basic principle when it comes to reasoning hence I have to have a dynamic reasoning framework which is promising since it could take me somewhere. Pure reason does not need any axiom.

 

[Bahman]

Of course, and that’s how the Word of God works and how Revelation works. That’s why its called the “Living” Word of God.

Only when you “apply” the teachings of a Revelation to your daily life will you learn more and more and more to the point that another Revelation is required.

This is the principle of “progressive Revelation” in the Baha’i Faith.

Please read post #267.

 

[Servant19]

Please read post #267.

Dear friend, I have NO IDEA what you are saying in post #267 lol

I’m well below your intellect.

I try to keep things simple. Life is not too complicated.

Do you believe a child, when born, should be educated or not?

Thank you for your time

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[TEPO]

Of course, and that’s how the Word of God works and how Revelation works. That’s why its called the “Living” Word of God.

Only when you “apply” the teachings of a Revelation to your daily life will you learn more and more and more to the point that another Revelation is required.

This is the principle of “progressive Revelation” in the Baha’i Faith.

In the Catholic faith, dogmas and infallabilities are used to prevent personal revelation from being guided by pure emotion and ‘trickery’. Without this protection, one places himself in a dangerous situation.

Progressivism is an ideology without a goal. Similar to limbo.

…in nature, we know that 5 • 5 always = 25. Therefore applying progressive revelation to your daily life without the ‘parameters’ of religious dogma, we are subjecting ourselves to error.

 

[Bahman]

Dear friend, I have NO IDEA what you are saying in post #267 lol

I’m well below your intellect.

I try to keep things simple. Life is not too complicated.

Do you believe a child, when born, should be educated or not?

Thank you for your time

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It is very simple. Let us consider the first case. You certainly believe in creation. Do you believe that Gods creation is complete or it is not considering the fact that God is omnipotence?

 

[TEPO]

Or were we talking about prophets?

In any case, prophets who claim some new revelation without proceeding directly from the teachings of another prophet cannot claim fulfillment. Mohammed cannot. Baha’i cannot. Dali lama cannot. Martin Luther and Joseph Smith cannot.

Only Jesus fulfills the exact teachings of prior prophets. There is nothing ‘faulty’ with Christianity because the teachings “add-up” equally. It makes sense.

 

[Bahman]

Or were we talking about prophets?

In any case, prophets who claim some new revelation without proceeding directly from the teachings of another prophet cannot claim fulfillment. Mohammed cannot. Baha’i cannot. Dali lama cannot. Martin Luther and Joseph Smith cannot.

Only Jesus fulfills the exact teachings of prior prophets. There is nothing ‘faulty’ with Christianity because the teachings “add-up” equally. It makes sense.

Not if the truth is subjective to the time and that is what they claim.

 

[TEPO]

Not if the truth is subjective to the time and that is what they claim.

Is 5 • 5 = 25 subjective to the time? Likewise, can Gods Truth be subjected to time? I say if certain elements create fire today, those exact elements will create fire always and forever.

 

[Bahman]

Is 5 • 5 = 25 subjective to the time? Likewise, can Gods Truth be subjected to time? I say if certain elements create fire today, those exact elements will create fire always and forever.

Did people who used to live 1000,000 years ago have a common sense understanding of 5 • 5 = 25 as you have now? Hence, revelation in their opinion as well is subject of the time as our understanding evolve.

 

[TEPO]

Did people who used to live 1000,000 years ago have a common sense understanding of 5 • 5 = 25 as you have now? Hence, revelation in their opinion as well is subject of the time as our understanding evolve.

Perhaps. Which is maybe why the theme of ancient Zoroastrianism was “good thoughts, good words, good deeds”. The Jews were then given the commandments while maintaining Zoroastrian concepts of heaven and hell etc., while Buddhism stemmed from Zoroastrianism but added reincarnation and other worldly man made concepts. With Jesus we were then offered reassurance of everlasting life as originally revealed as well as a role model for achieving that.

…where Mohammed fits in I have no idea. if Baha’i must include Mohammed -then that’s a problem…

 

[TEPO]

Baha’i should be proclaiming the greatness of the Arabic people/culture and the piety of the Muslims through their common relationship with Abraham… All of this despite their relationship with Mohammed.

If the Romans, Germans, celts, Asians, etcetera, can drop their demi-Gods for the Jewish Jesus, then why can’t the Arabs while still respecting themselves especially considering they claim to be descendants of Abraham.

 

[Servant19]

Or were we talking about prophets?

In any case, prophets who claim some new revelation without proceeding directly from the teachings of another prophet cannot claim fulfillment. Mohammed cannot. Baha’i cannot. Dali lama cannot. Martin Luther and Joseph Smith cannot.

Only Jesus fulfills the exact teachings of prior prophets. There is nothing ‘faulty’ with Christianity because the teachings “add-up” equally. It makes sense.

Yes dear friend, 5 x 5 will always be 25, God in all His religions has taught love over war, and Jesus’ teachings do not completely fulfill Mosaic Law, He annulled a whole lot of them. I see a huge amount of uncircumcised Catholics for example at my all-embracing nudist parties for example (lol)

How do you reconcile these contradictions to your post dear friend?



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[Servant19]

Baha’i should be proclaiming the greatness of the Arabic people/culture and the piety of the Muslims through their common relationship with Abraham… All of this despite their relationship with Mohammed.

If the Romans, Germans, celts, Asians, etcetera, can drop their demi-Gods for the Jewish Jesus, then why can’t the Arabs while still respecting themselves especially considering they claim to be descendants of Abraham.

The Bahai Faith proclaims the importance and greatness of every nation, culture and tradition is inherently valuable to the richness and beauty of life of earth.

Our values however, should over-ride and take precedence over cultural norms and traditions.

A global system of values, given the complexity of life on earth in this glorious Day, is offered by Baha’u’llah’s Revelation. It is rejection of His Revelation that sees mankind in the predicaments it is in today.



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[Servant19]

Did people who used to live 1000,000 years ago have a common sense understanding of 5 • 5 = 25 as you have now? Hence, revelation in their opinion as well is subject of the time as our understanding evolve.

Absolute truth is always there, but humans evolve spiritually, intellectually and materially. And the Truth is supplied drop by drop by an All-Wise, All-Loving Feeder of the hungry.

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[Slaney]

Ask them when was their church founded, and who was the founder, the Catholic Church can go back 2000 years.