I’ve read much of it and I’m not upset with the Catholic Church. I am, of course, upset with any individual Catholic who disgraces the Church, but not with the Church itself. It is the Church which is holy, not each individual member. Why – do you attend a church that has no sinners in it?Read the Fox’es book of martyres, before you do, look at the reference section. It’s quite extensive. You will be very upset with the Catholic church by the end of that book.
The Catholic Church persecuted Christians. Oye, where do you get your facts from?Why do you keep asking me if things are in the old testiment? What does that have to do with anything? As far as not finding any writings on certain things within the church, I told you that the catholic church persecuted Christians and murdered them for 1,400 years. I am sure that was sufficient time to destroy anything that they disagreed with. Read the Fox’es book of martyres, before you do, look at the reference section. It’s quite extensive. You will be very upset with the Catholic church by the end of that book.
Friendly warning: You’re going off of your original topic again. If you’d like to discuss the topic of persecution in history, please start a new thread. Thank you.Why do you keep asking me if things are in the old testiment? What does that have to do with anything? As far as not finding any writings on certain things within the church, I told you that the catholic church persecuted Christians and murdered them for 1,400 years. I am sure that was sufficient time to destroy anything that they disagreed with. Read the Fox’es book of martyres, before you do, look at the reference section. It’s quite extensive. You will be very upset with the Catholic church by the end of that book.
If we are saved by faith alone, then we don’t need to love anyone - even God! - in order to be saved, right?
**To know Christ IS to love Christ. Knowing Him WILL result in loving Him. **
If you have faith, but have not works, can your faith save you?
I will let the bible speak for it’s self
** Ro 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.**
Is whether or not we have faith, God’s sole criteria for judging us worthy of salvation?
Not just having faith in anything we want, but having faith in Jesus Christ for salvation:
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved** through faith**; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Do we have to forgive others in order to have our sins forgiven by God and be saved?
The bible says that we need to forgive others or He won’t forgive us.
Mt 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Notice though that hell isn’t meantioned here. I don’t think He is referring to salvation of the soul here, but we certainly don’t want to find out what He means.
You confuse salvation with redemption my friend. Those verses have to do with salvation, not redemption.No, only those who place their faith in Jesus Christ.
Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Life is only found in Jesus Christ:
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
God wrote the bible, not man. He used men’s hands.
- Baptised…check
- Go to a bible believing church…Not only does the Church I go to believe in the bible, it wrote the thing!!!
As far as the rosary goes. That is not biblical that is false hope.Die when your soul is pure - after the sacrament of confession. Pray for “good death” for yourself and and others, that won’t be a surprise. There is a promise of heaven for those who say rosary, chaplet to Divine Mercy or those who wear a scapular.
Right. None of those men were Protestants. That’s the point being made – the New Testament was penned by Catholics under Gods’ inspiration.God wrote the bible, not man. He used men’s hands.
95% of the Rosary is direct Scriputre quotation — how is that un-Biblical?As far as the rosary goes. That is not biblical that is false hope.
Forgiveness only comes FROM Jesus Christ. Amen.Forgiveness only comes through Jesus Christ.
WHAT? Forgiven for FUTURE sins??? Chapter and verse, please!Once you are a child of God, you are forgiven of past, present and future sins. We still need to repent of our sins to stay in a right relationship with God.
I didn’t say that catholics reject Jesus. My concern is that they seem to add to salvation.The Catholic Church does not blott out or reject Jesus. Even the Pope himself have written books about the Messiah. The current Pope wrote a book on his reflection on Jesus called "Jesus of Nazareth.
So, men were just automatons with no (name removed by moderator)ut into the Scriptures?God wrote the bible, not man. He used men’s hands.
Ok, I will conceid that. You’re right. Good explaination.You are confusing “redeemed” with “saved.” Jesus redeemed everyone in the world — meaning, He made a sacrifice sufficient to pay for everyone’s sins, should they choose to collect. That doesn’t mean everybody is “saved.” Nobody said that everyone will be “saved,” just that Jesus “redeemed” us all.
So does that mean I can go out an molest children, since all of my future sins are already forgiven?As far as the rosary goes. That is not biblical that is false hope.
Forgiveness only comes through Jesus Christ.
Once you are a child of God, you are forgiven of past, present and future sins. We still need to repent of our sins to stay in a right relationship with God.
No Jesus will honor His word? Was paul a murderer? Was moses a murderer?Wow, Jesus will disregard His own statements as written in the bible and exhonerate you regardless of how you live your life? That’s interesting.
Brother, its not about conceding when it comes to truth, its about prayerfully, and humbling trying to accept it [truth] for what it is.Ok, I will conceid that. You’re right. Good explaination.
If you want God’s punishment on you go ahead. God punishes His children. He may even take your life. Is it worth it? Besides that, a true Christian isn’t going to willfully sin, if he does, his life will be very uncomfortable. I was backslidden for a while, I know this first hand, it’s not fun.So does that mean I can go out an molest children, since all of my future sins are already forgiven?
Since we are told to work out our salvation in fear and trembling, what fear would we have if salvation cannot ever be revoked. Paul speaks on several occations about people being cut off. Jesus talks about branches that produce no fruit will be cut off and tossed into the fire (this is a clear metaphor for being condemned to eternal torment, which is impossible if you are saved and in heaven).I would like to see the chapter and verse where ‘future sins’ are blanket forgiven. That sounds to me remarkably like a sin of presumption, which in the Psalms we are told to guard against.