How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[angelusm]

Die when your soul is pure - after the sacrament of confession. Pray for “good death” for yourself and and others, that won’t be a surprise. There is a promise of heaven for those who say rosary, chaplet to Divine Mercy or those who wear a scapular.

 

[Mannyfit75]

No the church is not Jesus. They are the body of Christ, but Jesus Christ is the head. We do what Jesus wants, not vice versa. Jesus Christ saves, not the church. He died on the cross and rose from the dead, not the church. He said to trust in Him, He didn’t say to put your faith in the church. I don’t believe that peter was the first pope in the same way as the popes of today. The catholic chuch today doesn’t resemble the first church. They didn’t baptize babies, they didn’t think that the pope could override God’s word, they didn’t pray to anyone except God, they believed in salvation by faith in Jesus Christ alone, without the result of works. Can you separate a man and his wife? They are two, but they become one flesh do you know when? When they are having intercourse. That is when. Christians are one with Christ in that His Holy Spirit dwells inside of them. But we aren’t Jesus Christ. That would be blashphemy to elevate the church to the level of Jesus Christ. He is worthy of worship, not the church. He created all things, not the church. He is God, not the church.

The Church was establish by Jesus Christ Himself. So by your premise you don’t agree with Jesus when Saul was persecuting the Church. Did not Jesus Christ say, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?” Who was Saul Persecuting? The Church.

When the Church speaks Jesus speaks through them. He uses them in order the commune with his people.

Let me put it this way. When we are baptized in Christ, we become a member of his family. He is the vine and we are the branches. When one of the members start to stray into sin, all members will be affected in some form or another. When Saul persecuted the Church, Jesus felt the pains. Much like when the Jews were suffering under the hands of the Egyptians.

Jesus also said in Luke, “He who hears you, hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me.” That is pretty clear. Like I said before you cannot separate the Church and Jesus Christ.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Blotted out when we reject Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

The Catholic Church does not blott out or reject Jesus. Even the Pope himself have written books about the Messiah. The current Pope wrote a book on his reflection on Jesus called "Jesus of Nazareth.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Sure, I’m 35 and been a Christian since I was 4, raised in church and have been studying the bible for a long time. How about you?

I can’t speak for other Catholics, but I can attest that I’ve been a Catholic for 32 yrs. I have been studying Christian History, the Bible, read Catholic documents like the 16 Documents of Second Vatican Council II, Read the Catechism, read other Catholic sources, and none of the material I read contradict the Bible. I also look into the objection of Protestants against the Catholic Church, and I find them very bias, inaccurate, false, and partial truths.

I found Jesus Christ presence more revealed in Catholicism than Protestantism. Protestantism only have half truths, not the fullness of Truth. The Church is the Pillar and Bulwark of Truth. What is the Truth? Jesus is the Truth.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

What if you murder someone after that? Do you still automatically go to heaven?

Yep.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Frodo, I think you misunderstood what point I was making, which is understandable, since you are having multiple conversations with multiple people. Go back to post #322. I was commending you for saying “The branches abide in the vine or it dies.” The key word there is ABIDE!!! That was the point that we were trying to make. You need to ABIDE in the vine, who I agree with you is Jesus. Abide does not mean “accept.” Abide means to remain within. How long do we need to remain within? Until the end. See Matthew 10:22, Matthew 24:13, Mark 13:13, 2 Peter 3:17, Revelation 2:10, Revelation 2:26, and Revelation 3:11. So, unless you have a different definition for the word, “abide,” the Scripture that YOU quoted shows that it takes more than merely a one time acceptance of Christ to be eternally saved, but to remain within Him. The Scriptures that I listed show that it needs to be until the end. You can check them yourselves. This is all straight Bible, as you like it.

Ok, sorry. Yes there is alot going on here for me. Yes, we must abide in Jesus Christ to have eternal life. The church abides in Christ Jesus, therefore it is Christ that saves, not the church.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Yep.

Wow, Jesus will disregard His own statements as written in the bible and exhonerate you regardless of how you live your life? That’s interesting.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Yep.

That is crazy. Did you not know that nothing impure gets into heaven?

There shall not enter into it any thing defiled, or that worketh abomination or maketh a lie, but they that are written in the book of life of the Lamb. Rev 21:27

A murderer cannot get into heaven unless he repents, confesses his sin, and attain forgiveness from God.

This is a dangerous doctrine, which I think you believe in OSAS, a doctrine dangerous for the soul because it gives a false sense of security.

 

[montanaman]

Yep.

Wow. Good luck.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Yes, but can you completely trust yourself and your feelings on such an important matter? You pray this prayer from your heart today, are 100% convinced you have faith and belief and trust. There is no doubt in your heart. You feel the Lord and His love. You have that personal relationship. And as another poster so poignantly described, 10 years down the road you lose that faith, somehow, someway. According to your “theology”, you were never saved.

So I ask you. How do you know? How can anyone ever know if they are truly saved? Human beings are frail and fallen and given to great doubt. How can they ever fully trust only themselves to be the final judge of their authenticity?

I’m not, I’m trusting what the bible says to do. He said to place your faith in Him for salavation. By placing your faith in Christ from your heart, you are NOT depending upon yourself. You are depending upon Christ. The people who are never saved, never meant it from their heart to God. They went through the motions, but it wasn’t in their heart. We know that we are truly saved if we truly place our faith in Christ for salvation from our heart. Then we have faith in what He has promised. He will confirm it in our Spirit and through the Holy Spirit which He gives EVERY true believer, which by the way, cannot be removed because it SEALS all true believers. Those who are not truly saved, NEVER had the Holy Spirit…never. Only true believers receive the Holy Spirit.

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

2Co 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Definition of Sealed:4972. sfragizw sphragizo, sfrag-id’-zo
Search for 4972 in KJV

from 4973; to stamp (with a signet or private mark) for security or preservation (literally or figuratively); by implication, to keep secret, to attest:–(set a, set to) seal up, stop.

That word sealed UNTO…the word unto could have been translated into, continual…

Unto:

1. eiv eis, ice
   Search for 1519 in KJV

a primary preposition; to or into (indicating the point reached or entered), of place, time, or (figuratively) purpose (result, etc.); also in adverbial phrases:–(abundant-)ly, against, among, as, at, (back-)ward, before, by, concerning, + continual, + far more exceeding, for (intent, purpose), fore, + forth, in (among, at, unto, -so much that, -to), to the intent that, + of one mind, + never, of, (up-)on, + perish, + set at one again, (so) that, therefore(-unto), throughout, til, to (be, the end, -ward), (here-)until(-to), …ward, (where-)fore, with. Often used in composition with the same general import, but only with verbs (etc.) expressing motion (literally or figuratively).

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Precisely, the whole mankind is redeemed, even Muslims, yes, Christ died for them too, to save all mankind. But Salvation is for the Christian who works his out in “fear and trembling” Phil 2:12

Salvation is beyond redemption. Redemption is a necessary step which was taken by Christ on the Cross and in His resurrection.

No, only those who place their faith in Jesus Christ.

Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

Life is only found in Jesus Christ:

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Then wouldn’t you agree that if that’s the case, it is useless to be a Christian? That is quite inaccurate then. We need Him, and He is also there for us. In short, it is a mutual relationship. To say He doesn’t need us is sheer folly, I am sorry to say.

Not just physically, but will actually throw them into hellfire. However, what does that have to do with your statement above?

No, it’s talking about this life, not throwing them into hell.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

I’m 32. Was born Catholic. My mom and dad got divorced when I was 5. She left the Church and we went to an Assembly of God church. I entered RCIA and had first communion and was confirmed just a few years ago. My mom has since came back to the Church and even my step-father (who was a Protestant since birth and is now 64 years old) has come into the Church, he became a member this past Easter.

Don’t get me wrong. I am not here to condemn catholics, If you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and believe that He died on the cross and rose from the dead and confess Him as your Lord and Savior, you are my brother in Christ, no matter which denomination you attend. I know that I have many catholic brothers and sisters, but it wasn’t any particular denomination that saved them, that is my point. It was Jesus Christ.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Not in the sense St. John is referring to. We can call it, the “written Word of God”, but it is clearly not the “Word of God” St. John is referring to in John 1:1

The Word of God is not a book, it’s a person: Jesus Christ.

It is the same as if He spoke it. As a matter of fact, I would dare say that He first spoke it, then it was written down.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2Pe 1:19 ¶ We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
(KJV)

Ga 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Everybody’s beating a dead horse here playing scripture tennis - it availeth nothingeth Really- please let frodo pack up his little chick magazines and his unimaginative Fundie playbook and quietly depart.

Here is a better idea, why don’t you quietly depart and let us have our discussion. It is availing much.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Originally
Posted by xfrodobagginsx forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
Because the guy in the analogy never let it into his HEART. In my post I make it CLEAR by saying "If you prayed that prayer to God and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die"

I’ve asked this twice and he still won’t answer me!!! Sigh, getting so frustrated here.

Maybe since it’s not written literally in the Bible, word for word, he doesn’t know the answer?

I did answer, the answer is yes. There is no sin that God won’t forgive, except rejecting Jesus Christ. Paul was murderer and so was moses.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Ask “son Of Sam”- he’s been saved even though he has never give the full details of his crimes.No sorrow necessary! Just grab the brass ring and bingo- instant heaven Just call it what it is “cheap grace”

If he TRULY repented to Jesus Christ from His heart, then yes He is saved. It wasn’t “cheap” The price was high. It cost the life of the very Son of God.

Paul murdered more people than he did, yet paul wrote much of the new testiment.

 

[Pixie_Dust]

Don’t get me wrong. I am not here to condemn catholics, If you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and believe that He died on the cross and rose from the dead and confess Him as your Lord and Savior, you are my brother in Christ, no matter which denomination you attend. I know that I have many catholic brothers and sisters, but it wasn’t any particular denomination that saved them, that is my point. It was Jesus Christ.

You said you’ve attended Mass before, did you hear this profession of faith? It’s all based on Scripture, too.

*We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us men and our salvation, he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit, he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered, died and was buried.
On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory, to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life: who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified:
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic, and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.*

Every Catholic who attends Mass says this every time they’re there. According to your criteria, EVERY Catholic is on their way to Heaven.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Well, you’re in for a problem here fella,

Look at these verses from the letter of St. Jude, the next to last book in the New Testament. (You do accept Jude as inspired canon of scripture, right?)

Jude Chapter 1:9: But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, disputed about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a reviling judgment upon him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.”

Where is that found in the Old Testament? Please show me chapter and verse.

Jude Chapter 1:14: It was of these also that Enoch in the seventh generation from Adam prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord came with his holy myriads, 15: to execute judgment on all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness which they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”

Where is that in the Old Testament please? Again, I need chapter and verse?

You say, Now, I want you to show me that this is true of the verses I just gave you.

Also look at this verse.
2nd Timothy Chapter 3:8: As Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of corrupt mind and counterfeit faith;

Please show me where these two men are named in the Old Testament. Again…I need chapter and verse? Oh but I did…and you now seem to contradict yourself. Is Baptism necessary for salvation or not? What do you believe? Make sure that I understand it.In your opinion…which so far has not proved very accurate according to the Word of God.

Here, read my testimony, and think again.yet, I have shown that you are not preaching the Gospel of the New Testament, and until about 500 years ago what you are preaching was never taught or believed by Christians in all their history.

Search it out for yourself, man…you cannot find the things that you believe in any of the verifiable Christian writings before the 16th century. It just plain does not exist, and the propaganda you have believe about the Anabaptists tracing their roots to the early church is horrible misinformation to attempt to give credibility to something that is simply not historically there. Go ahead…get out your copy of “Trail of Blood” and then start searching the internet for actual historical sources that verify what they have told you.

You’ll be mad when you do…I can assure you.
Look here…

Why do you keep asking me if things are in the old testiment? What does that have to do with anything? As far as not finding any writings on certain things within the church, I told you that the catholic church persecuted Christians and murdered them for 1,400 years. I am sure that was sufficient time to destroy anything that they disagreed with. Read the Fox’es book of martyres, before you do, look at the reference section. It’s quite extensive. You will be very upset with the Catholic church by the end of that book.

 

[Gamera]

No, only those who place their faith in Jesus Christ.

You are confusing “redeemed” with “saved.” Jesus redeemed everyone in the world — meaning, He made a sacrifice sufficient to pay for everyone’s sins, should they choose to collect. That doesn’t mean everybody is “saved.” Nobody said that everyone will be “saved,” just that Jesus “redeemed” us all.