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mercygate
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Right. The Magisterium (teaching authority) of the Catholic church does not “cherry pick.”
You’re starting to get this, frodo.
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You’re starting to get this, frodo.
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Scott_Lafrance
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Cherrypick Scripture? Good one. Normally we are accused of adding stuff to Scripture that isn’t there, rather than skipping over stuff that actually is there.
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xfrodobagginsx
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Right here it says that HE WILL forgive us of our sins if we confess them to HIM. There is no priest involved here.
1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
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Philthy
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Again, you appear to be loose with words. You are arguing for confessing to God alone, yet you bold not where it says to confess to God alone - because it doesnt - but where it says that God will forgive us. The fact is that this verse doesnt say to confess directly to God (though I certainly believe in doing that), you are simply trying to force it to mean what you wish it said. It simply doesnt say, “Confess your sins to God alone and He is faithful…”
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Scott_Lafrance
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Then why did He give the Apostles the authority to loose and bind sin?
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xfrodobagginsx
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That’s not true. They take one verse and twist it into a doctrine contrary to the rest of the bible.
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
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mercygate
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So when I go to confession, and receive the absolution that Jesus gave power of to his priests, then Jesus leaves the room? When I confess, Jesus isn’t there to hear my confession? FYI, even those who use the formula prayer to begin their confession start with the words:
I confess to Almighty God . . . . and to you, Father.
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xfrodobagginsx
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That is God’s business. Why have them speak in tongues at the day of pentecost. Do you speak in tongues? I don’t, nor do I believe in the for today.
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xfrodobagginsx
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Please vote in the poll if you haven’t yet.
Gotta go for now.
Gotta go for now.
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mercygate
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These assertions of yours are utterly groundless. Really. BTW, 2Pe 1:20 is a favorite text for Catholic apologists. I mean, you’ve just offered a gazillion “private interpretations” as if they were the very Gospel itself.
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Tomster
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Tomster
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Frodo,
You have part of it right. It is God’s business. And His priests still have authority to bind and loose sin.
Tomster
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Scott_Lafrance
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The “tongues” that Peter and the others spoke in was actually the ability to communicate with all people who were listening throught the power of the Holy Spirit, so that all men would receive the same message (universal, i.e. catholic) So this very notion you brought up affirms the Apostolic origins of the Catholic Church. Thanks for bringing this up!
Do I believe in the charismatic variant of tongues that St. Paul speaks of? I don’t personally, but I don’t discount it either, as I simply don’t know anything. I know people who claim to speak in tongues and I take them at their word. Who am I to discount their gift, especially one that is validated by Scripture?
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MariaG
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Well I am so glad that my post was read and understood
Disagree with our interpretation all you want, but at least try to understand WHAT our position is in the first place.
And respectfully, your position on EVERY church having many, many errors contradicts scripture which tells us the church is the pillar and foundation of truth.
Your sister in Christ,
Maria
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japhy
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That verse does not say “If we confess our sins to Him…”. In fact, the letter of James (5:16) recommends confession to one another:
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mercygate
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Anybody else catch the irony that the creator of “Frodo Baggins” was Catholic?
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MariaG
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Oh yeah
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Church_Militant
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I’ve already shown you that that book is not accurate…from it’s own introduction. Go back and look it up in the thread.
So an entire household will not include the infants? That is unscriptural.
Also look at the comparison that St. Paul makes to circumcision and baptism. When were Jewish boys circumcised and when were all Jewish infants presented at the temple? Who commanded them to do this? Who made their “profession of faith” at that time? Did the fact that the infant did not make that profession fail to make him Jewish in God’s eyes? Look here.
You better check your Greek again Frodo. You’ll find Catholic Church in Acts 9:31 where it is translated “The church throughout all”, the Greek there is “ekklesia kath olos”. By all means look it up in your Strong’s.
is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
You have been taught to rely on that single verse on this but you have been deceived into ignoring the other passages on this important sacrament instituted by Christ Himself.
Reconciliation (Confession):Leviticus. 5:4-6; 19:21-22 (even under the Old Covenant, God used priests to forgive and atone for the sins of others.). Matthew 3:6,18:18, 9:6 & 8, Mark 2:7, John 20:21-23, Acts 19:18, 2nd Corinthians 5:18-19, James 5:16, 1st John 1:9-10.
Can you show me in the Word of God where it says that? You are ignoring Matthew 18:18 Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven.and look how it ties in with Matthew 16:18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
I’m sorry, but you place your faith in your church, because you adhere to the interpretations of certain passages of scripture that they have taught you. Just like your history so far…it is faulty.
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GandalfTheWhite
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Just a short note:
What are you going to do with the poll? I guess it’s just for your information but how do you know that those who posted represent the Church’s teaching? In fact, since the poll doesn’t specify it, they might not even be Catholic.
What are you going to do with the poll? I guess it’s just for your information but how do you know that those who posted represent the Church’s teaching? In fact, since the poll doesn’t specify it, they might not even be Catholic.
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MariaG
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So let me get this straight. You believe ALL churches teach error which would include your own? Yet you wish me to believe your churches interpretation of scripture?
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