How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[Church_Militant]

Ya, so…that doesn’t make you right. I like frodo, but I am not a catholic. It’s Ironic that the catholic church thinks they are the true church, yet teaches so many heresies. That’s what ironic.

Which just means that you have better taste in literature than you do in your religious beliefs.

Y’know, you have made that allegation several times so far and it has been off-topic every time, and so I hope that the Mods will split off that post and make it the OP of a new thread, (since this one will close at 1,000 posts anyway). It will be my intention to go in there and refute every allegation of such. because I happen to know that I can. Especially based upon the empty propaganda sources that I have seen you offer so far.

(Mod Michael Francis, can ya help a brother out please?)

If you are truly saved you go to heaven, yes, but you lose/gain rewards due to the things we do and say and teach.

“Truly saved” huh? Does that mean like in this passage from Matthew 25:31-46?

31 And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty. 32 And all nations shall be gathered together before him, and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. 34 Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in:

36 Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me. 37 Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee? 39 Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee? 40 And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.

41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink. 43 I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me. 44 Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to thee? 45 Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me. 46 And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.

Mt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Now this is interesting, in view of our discussions of the vital role of Baptism in salvation. The full context of the New Testament scriptures teach that it is for forgiveness of sins and washes away sins, according to Gospel preaching by both Peter and to Paul, as well as in the story of the Ethiopian Eunuch in Acts.

Now, it seems to me that Matthew 5:19 might very well apply to those n-Cs who errantly teach that Baptism is not necessary to salvation.

There are people who will be saved, yet receive no rewards in heaven:

1Co 3:13-15 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.

{it shall be: Gr. it is}

If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.I’m really glad you brought that up! Where exactly does that trial by fire occur? It can’t be Hell since believers don’t go there, right?

No such fiery testing happens here on earth that I am aware of.

How then are these works tried by fire and yet this one is save “as by fire”?

 

[Gamera]

If you are truly saved you go to heaven, yes, but you lose/gain rewards due to the things we do and say and teach…There are people who will be saved, yet receive no rewards in heaven:

Yes! This is what Catholics mean when we say that our good works bring “merit.” They don’t save us – Jesus’ blood does that – but they do possess value in God’s eyes and He will reward us for them. Good, I’m glad you agree with the Catholic Church on this point. Some of your fundamentalist brethren label all good works as “filthy rags” in a gross misreading of Isaiah 64:6.

 

[rocklobster]

This so needs an “all of the above” entry.

 

[Michael_Francis]

Y’know, you have made that allegation several times so far and it has been off-topic every time, and so I hope that the Mods will split off that post and make it the OP of a new thread, (since this one will close at 1,000 posts anyway). It will be my intention to go in there and refute every allegation of such. because I happen to know that I can. Especially based upon the empty propaganda sources that I have seen you offer so far.

(Mod Michael Francis, can ya help a brother out please?)

SPLIT: The Catholic Church thinks they are the true church, yet teaches so many heresies.

 

[mozart-250]

It’s Ironic that the catholic church thinks they are the true church, yet teaches so many heresies.

This heresy hunting has to stop.

I’ve called out the Catholics on this board many times because of their use of the “heretic/heresy” word on folks who don’t believe what they do. I will be darned if I let the same thing pass for folks who are supposedly like me.

There is no one place in the Bible where the word heresy is specifically defined, However, you can glean some definitions from a few places. So let’s do a Bible study.

First 2 Peter 2:1 and the following verses show a few things about heresies:

• A heresy has a severity aspect. 1 Peter 1 compares a heresy to denying the Master who brought them.
• By using the word destructive a heresy has a severity aspect. For something to be a heresy, it literally has to destroy the sould of the person holding the heretical belief.

Further on in 2 Peter a heresy is specifically linked to lawness (in other words antinomianism). Just read the chapter and you will see this.

The severity aspect is reinforced in Titus 3:10 where one is told to reject a heretic after a first and second warning. If you read Iranaeus, you will see this rejection actually practiced by the earliest Christians against the heretics of their time. None of this separated brethren stuff. Heretics were clearly non-Christian to the earliest church (and Biblically btw).

So I can conclude from these passages a heretical belief must have one of the following characteristics in order to be Biblically considered a heresy.

• It must be a false belief concerning Jesus Christ such that it is destructive to the souls of those who hold said belief.
• Or it must be an antinomian belief (denying basic morality) that would be destructive to the souls of those who hold said belief.

So if one wants to use the word “heretic” on say Jehovah’s Witnesses (who deny the trinity), that seems appropriate.

Or if you want to use the word “heretic” for liberal Protestants who want gay marriage, I similarly would have no problem with that.

With Catholicism?

Well first of all you have to prove their beliefs false. Biblically unmentioned or ambiguous does not cut it because we would be condemning ourselves at the same time. The standard must be Biblically false. Since James White basically debates Catholic apologists to a draw in attempting to prove Catholicism Biblically false, I doubt whether an anonymous poster over the internet can do much better…but I am open to being surprised.

Second of all, even if Biblically false you have to prove that the belief violates one of the two conditions above, thus putting the souls who adhere to this belief at risk.

• It somehow denies the Master who bought them.
• Or it is antinomian concerning something that is clearly Biblically prohibited.

A certain belief can be a belief that you disagree with and that you can be thoroughly convinced is Biblically false, and at the same time not be a heresy. I would say that most things Christians typically argue over the internet (including Catholic/Protestant about are on this level).

I would welcome any anonymous poster over the internet trying to prove that Catholic beliefs (based on what they actually believe please) are heretical. Who knows, maybe using the above groundrules it can actually be done, but I doubt it. But please open a thread based on what Catholics actually believe and based on the groundrules above if you actually believe Catholic beliefs are “heretical”. Who knows, maybe I might just be convinced.

BTW these groundrules apply to you Catholics who also abuse the words “heresy/heretic” and apply them to Protestants indiscriminately. Just because a belief disagrees with Catholicism does not make it Biblically “heretical”.

They used to burn people at the stake for being “heretics”. Can we just cut indiscriminate use of this word please.

 

[mich2]

Mt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

How do you interprete the words of Jesus in Matthew 11:11?

**Amen, I say to you, among those born of women there has been none greater than John the Baptist; yet the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. **

Andre

 

[coleraine]

ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?

THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD KNOW:

1. REALIZE THAT YOU ARE A SINNER AND IN NEED OF A SAVIOR:

Ro 3:23 “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”

Ro 3:10 “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:”

This all began with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect, there was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain which this world sees is the result of sin.

1. BECAUSE OF OUR SINS, WE DIE BOTH SPIRITUALLY AND PHYSICALLY, BUT GOD SENT HIS SON TO TAKE OUR PUNISHMENT AND GIVE US A CHANCE NOT TO HAVE TO GO TO HELL.

Ro 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

Ro 5:8 “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”

Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not righteous because we do bad things. A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store, it is punishable by going to jail. It’s the same thing with sin. Even if we lie one time, the punishment is hell, which is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already committed a sin which will be punished if you are not pardoned. If you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Right? Just as the president can pardon a crime so you won’t go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die.

1. IF WE WILL ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS OUR LORD WITH OUR MOUTHS AND BELIEVE IN OUR HEARTS THAT HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD, BY DOING THIS WE ARE RECEIVING HIM:

Ro 10:9,10 “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.”

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: {power: or, the right, or, privilege}
(KJV)

You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus and asking Him to forgive you for your sins and save you. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven if they do these things, but the bible says that there is only one way to heaven and that is through receiving what Jesus Christ did on the cross for you.

Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR YOUR SINS? DO YOU ACCEPT WHAT HE DID FOR YOU TO PAY FOR YOUR SINS?

1. If you are willing to receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior please pray this right now, from your heart to God,

“Dear LORD JESUS, I believe that YOU died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, take me to heaven when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen.”

If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die.

Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.

thats just not how it is! sure, you gather that from the kjv, because the kjv is incomplete…it was assembled and dictated by an english king! who had no religous right to do so! for instance, the book of wisdom was written 100 years before christ, and obviously cant be devoutly catholic! well why isnt that one even in there? because the kjv is an abomination!!

 

[mercygate]

thats just not how it is! sure, you gather that from the kjv, because the kjv is incomplete…it was assembled and dictated by an english king! who had no religous right to do so! for instance, the book of wisdom was written 100 years before christ, and obviously cant be devoutly catholic! well why isnt that one even in there? because the kjv is an abomination!!

Please. The KJV was not “dictated” by the King, and it was translated from the Hebrew & Greek. For its time, it was an excellent translation, and it DID include most of the deuterocanonical books, labeled “apocrypha.” It was certainly NOT an abomination.

No Catholic needs to slam the KJV wholesale.

 

[savedsinner]

Ya, so…that doesn’t make you right. I like frodo, but I am not a catholic. It’s Ironic that the catholic church thinks they are the true church, yet teaches so many heresies. That’s what ironic.

ummmm…

Did the heretics think that their teachings were true, and the church was teaching error, and were the real heretics?
But beyond the name calling, only the word of God is true.

The issue is how do we interpret the word of God.

Is it up to the individual believer to interpret the word of God, is he led by the Holy Spirit to the truth contained in God’s word?

If this is the case, then why do so many Christians interpret scripture differently.

Or is the Church led by the Holy Spirit to interpret scripture?

Where is it in the New Testament where it was up to the individual Christian to interpret scripture, we do see that they check to see if Paul’s teachings were true from scripture, but that is a long way from saying they were interpreting scripture.
Paul was a leader in the church, he was speaking for the church.
He went to Jerusalem to make sure his teaching was in line with the Church leaders in Jerusalem several times.

If a Christian would have thought that Paul’s teachings were in error, would that make Paul wrong?
No, Paul and the Apostles and elders in Jerusalem were being led by the Holy Spirit to pass on the faith.

How do you get to heaven?
I would say that you die in a state of grace.
How do you do that?
Believe in Jesus, be baptized, and live in accordance with God’s will.
What is God’s will?
That we love one another as God loves us.

The Church tells us that God created us to know, love and serve him in this world so that we might live with him for eternity in the next.

 

[coleraine]

Please. The KJV was not “dictated” by the King, and it was translated from the Hebrew & Greek. For its time, it was an excellent translation, and it DID include most of the deuterocanonical books, labeled “apocrypha.” It was certainly NOT an abomination.

No Catholic needs to slam the KJV wholesale.

it doesent matter what how it was translated, thats just language. and who cares how well translated it was! the point is that now, non-catholics use the kjv against the catholic church, which is the true church. therfore the kjv as it is today is an abomination. and u know it. why would u protect a weapon against the catholic church? u make no sense.

 

[Church_Militant]

Please. The KJV was not “dictated” by the King, and it was translated from the Hebrew & Greek. For its time, it was an excellent translation, and it DID include most of the deuterocanonical books, labeled “apocrypha.” It was certainly NOT an abomination.

No Catholic needs to slam the KJV wholesale.

I don’t know MG…the Douay-Rheims came out 2 years ahead of the KJV and the DRV-NT was out in 1582, and of the two I like the DRV way better. It’s the same period English, but to me it just reads better.

Besides…the DRB never had the Deuterocanonicals mis-termed as “Apocrypha” and kept them in among the other books where they belong.

Gimme a real 1611 edition of the KJV and I can pretty well make do I guess.

I agree it won’t fall into “abomination” (I reserve that for New World Translation. (http://bestsmileys.com/puking/1.gif)

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

The true church does NOT equal the catholic church or any other denomination. The true church is made up of true believers of all denominations. The Catholic church wasn’t started until constantine. The early churches had false teachings in them, which is what much of the NT deals with. Stop placing your faith in a church and start trusting in Jesus and His word. A true church would point you to Jesus and His word, not to it’s self. God gets the glory for everything, no one or nothine else.

Joh 10:1 ¶ Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them. Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you,** I am the door **of the sheep.

Notice Jesus didn’t say “the church is the door” or “baptism is the door” or “being good is the door” or “Me plus baptism” or “Me plus good deeds”

He simply says “I am the door” you must place your faith in Him alone for salvation.

 

[Church_Militant]

The true church does NOT equal the catholic church or any other denomination. The true church is made up of true believers of all denominations.

Hey Frodo! Welcome back!
I’m sorry, but I disagree with you on this as well. This concept didn’t even exist until after the so-called reformation.

What does the Word of God say about the church? (Ephesians 4) 4 One body and one Spirit; as you are called in one hope of your calling. 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism. 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in us all

The Catholic church wasn’t started until constantine. The early churches had false teachings in them, which is what much of the NT deals with.

This is totally historical bunkum, and if someone taught you that then you need to go back and find out why because if you simply check any decent non sectarian (secular) history, you’ll discover that this complete hogwash. But when you get a second please PM me the source where you learned that because it’s total propaganda.

Constantine was raised by a Catholic mother and had a conversion experience, but was never more than a temporal emperor. He had no standing nor authority in the Church.

You’re right, the NT shows us that there were some errant doctrines being preached by some, but they were all answered and refuted in the same way that the Catholic Church has done for 2,000 years. Read Bishop Ignatius’ letter to the church at Smyrna and see what I mean.

Stop placing your faith in a church and start trusting in Jesus and His word. A true church would point you to Jesus and His word, not to it’s self. God gets the glory for everything, no one or nothine else.

I’ve read virtually every post in this thread, and I have yet to see a Catholic post that we are saved by faith in the church alone. We are saved by Jesus Christ, but the Church is the one that He established. If that is true, (and I know that it is) then why would any faithful believer want to be anywhere else?

The Catholic Church does not point to itself but to Christ in all things, and you’d know that if you actually read the catechism of actually paid any attention to an authentic Catholic source instead of that a-C stuff you are being fed.

Joh 10:1 ¶ Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them. Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you,** I am the door **

of the sheep.Yeah, I know this passage very well, but this is just you preaching against something that we Catholics don’t even teach.

Notice Jesus didn’t say “the church is the door” or “baptism is the door” or “being good is the door” or “Me plus baptism” or “Me plus good deeds”

He simply says “I am the door” you must place your faith in Him alone for salvation.

You are preaching a different gospel again.

Jesus did indeed say that you must be born of water and the spirit, also, the great Commission commands baptism as part of salvation, and based upon the gospel messages that the apostles actually preached to the Ethiopian Eunuch, on Pentecost, and to St. Paul, they clearly understood the importance of baptism in the plan of salvation, or were they heretics? I think not…

 

[Church_Militant]

He simply says “I am the door” you must place your faith in Him alone for salvation.

Funny, that is as Catholic a statement as I’ve ever seen.

Maybe you need to question your sources a bit because so far you are arguing against a Catholic Church that really does not exist.

I think Bishop Fulton J. Sheen said it best many years ago when he said.

***“Few people in America hate the Catholic religion,
but there are many who hate
what they mistakenly believe is the Catholic religion
—and if what they hate really were the Catholic religion,
Catholics would hate it too.” ***

 

[Milliardo]

The true church does NOT equal the catholic church or any other denomination. The true church is made up of true believers of all denominations. The Catholic church wasn’t started until constantine.

Ah, another one of your inability to grasp early Christianity; no serious historian will take such notions seriously. As for the true church–which for you is the true Church, frodo? There are 30,000+ Protestant denominations out there; you are free to choose which among those denominations is the true church for you, and then we can look it up and see if it stacks right up there historically and Apostolically.

The early churches had false teachings in them, which is what much of the NT deals with.

Now you’re saying nonsense; if you say is true, then your church is also false, since no Christian denomination makes a claim that his church does not come from early Christianity. Are you saying now that none of the early Christian communities have the true teaching in them?
Stop placing your faith in a church and start trusting in Jesus and His word. A true church would point you to Jesus and His word, not to it’s self. God gets the glory for everything, no one or nothine else.
.

Notice Jesus didn’t say “the church is the door” or “baptism is the door” or “being good is the door” or “Me plus baptism” or “Me plus good deeds”

Jesus as the door, and indeed the Shepherd, is very much a highly esteemed view of Him in the early Church. That everything comes through Him is true; but you miss something out: the Church itself comes through Him. So then, if that is so, wouldn’t you say that everything that is in the Church comes through Him. That baptism, good deeds, etc. when done in His Name, and done in love, is through Him and is blessed by Him?

 

[Gamera]

God gets the glory for everything, no one or nothine else.

Scripture disagrees.

“But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glorification.” 1 Cor 2:7.

“For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through suffering,” Heb 2:10.

“So I exhort the elders among you, as a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ as well as a partaker in the glory that is to be revealed,” 1 Peter 5:1.

“And when the chief Shepherd is manifested you will obtain the unfading crown of glory.” 1 Peter 5:4.

God is the source of glory but He shares it with His children.

We may appreciate the glory of a sunset. That doesn’t detract from God’s glory – on the contrary, it’s a compliment to God that we appreciate His handiwork. Similarly, we may appreciate the glory of saved souls, the glory of changed hearts and lives, the glory of holy saints, and the glory of the Church, without detracting anything from God – on the contrary, it’s a compliment to God that we appreciate His handiwork in us.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Scripture disagrees.

“But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glorification.” 1 Cor 2:7.

“For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through suffering,” Heb 2:10.

“So I exhort the elders among you, as a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ as well as a partaker in the glory that is to be revealed,” 1 Peter 5:1.

“And when the chief Shepherd is manifested you will obtain the unfading crown of glory.” 1 Peter 5:4.

God is the source of glory but He shares it with His children.

We may appreciate the glory of a sunset. That doesn’t detract from God’s glory – on the contrary, it’s a compliment to God that we appreciate His handiwork. Similarly, we may appreciate the glory of saved souls, the glory of changed hearts and lives, the glory of holy saints, and the glory of the Church, without detracting anything from God – on the contrary, it’s a compliment to God that we appreciate His handiwork in us.

No, we are to glorify HIM, then He glorifies us as He sees fit. You see He comes first, then us. The glory that we get comes from HIM. Our job is to glorify Him.

Joh 13:32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

Jas 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He shall lift you up.

1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore **glorify God **in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.

 

[Gamera]

No, we are to glorify HIM, then He glorifies us as He sees fit. You see He comes first, then us. The glory that we get comes from HIM. Our job is to glorify Him.

Of course we are to glorify God. How is that different from what I said? That doesn’t mean that we glorify ONLY God. That notion is just un-Biblical. We are commanded to HONOR our fathers and mothers, Ex. 20:12. Moses PRAISED Jethro, Exod. 18:7. Jacob told Judah that his brothers would PRAISE and HONOR him, Gen. 49:8. We are to HONOR our elders, Leviticus 19:32. Slaves are to HONOR their masters, 1 Tim 6:1. We are to HONOR everyone to whom honor is due, Rom. 13:7.

You contradict God’s word when you say that we give glory to God alone and to, “no one and nothing else.”

 

[coleraine]

I don’t know MG…the Douay-Rheims came out 2 years ahead of the KJV and the DRV-NT was out in 1582, and of the two I like the DRV way better. It’s the same period English, but to me it just reads better.

Besides…the DRB never had the Deuterocanonicals mis-termed as “Apocrypha” and kept them in among the other books where they belong.

Gimme a real 1611 edition of the KJV and I can pretty well make do I guess.

I agree it won’t fall into “abomination” (I reserve that for New World Translation. (http://bestsmileys.com/puking/1.gif)

all bibles that are not catholic are abominations. after all, the church believs that christians who stray from catholisicm are heritics, the kjv and other non-catholic bibles are products of heritics, those who oppose catholisicm, and are abominations.
how can u.a catholic, sit thier and say that a heritic weapon is not an abomination. if all non-catholic bibles were not abominations, the church would not have had some thousands of them burnt in protest to the reformation. if u dont believe me, take it up with fr. vincent serpa

 

[jmcrae]

all bibles that are not catholic are abominations. after all, the church believs that christians who stray from catholisicm are heritics, the kjv and other non-catholic bibles are products of heritics, those who oppose catholisicm, and are abominations.
how can u.a catholic, sit thier and say that a heritic weapon is not an abomination. if all non-catholic bibles were not abominations, the church would not have had some thousands of them burnt in protest to the reformation. if u dont believe me, take it up with fr. vincent serpa

The ones they burnt were the really bad ones, such as the Wyclif translation, which had insertions into the text expressing his personal opinions.

Obviously, at the same time, Catholics should use approved Catholic translations of the Bible - there is no good reason not to.