How we can find peace without any meaning?

[RPRPsych]

Though no one knows the exact nature of the illness that claimed Jane Austen’s life, some physicians have speculated that it might have been Addison’s Disease.

 

[Bahman]

I am curious to know what is your definition of meaning, because you told the other guy he was confusing meaning with purpose. Yet, the dictionary defines meaning as:

I can define meaning as something which is the source of all motions. It simply grants strength and peace once you find it.

I happen to think the meaning of life is to love.

That is not true. Love is simply an emotion. It is something in our nature to make sure that we stay bounded so life can keep going. We can depend on Love since it offers joy but it cannot offer peace and strength.

But we can’t do it properly without God’s presence in us.

You can Love or don’t somebody else. Loving more it is matter of practice.

I know for example my dad told me he did not know how to love even his own kids or wife until he became a Christian and God began to work on his heart.

Love is simply an emotion. You could love some and not someone else. Loving more is a matter of practice.

One can recognize the importance of something when one doesn’t have it or is starved for it. There is value to life itself. We recognize generally that it is good to be alive. And that death is a bad thing. Since it is the death of something good. Similarly if we know of love, but do not experience it we know how important it is. Because we experience the lack of it. Just like one experiences starvation when one has the lack of food. We know that we need love even more than food. People will die for love.

This is already explained in the second post.

We were created by God, and thus our eternal purpose can be found in him.

Purpose is simply a state of mind which gives us direction to move. It is not however meaning since meaning is something that we are all ultimately looking for it. You can define your purpose to join God. This gives you joy by loving each other but doesn’t provide any meaning.

The book of Ecclesiastes starts out saying everything is vanity or meaningless, which is a very depressing outlook. But, then finally by the end of the book concludes on a more positive note by saying :
The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God, and keep his commandments; for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, with every secret thing, whether good or evil.

That is not true. Everything is meaningless unless you find a meaning. Even loving God is meaningless.

Here he describes our purpose is to fear God and keep his commandments. So after initially declaring everything to be meaningless vanity, he finally discovers something that is not.

To fear God can give you a direction to act but it cannot give you meaning.

Jesus himself says if you love him you will keep his commandments.

Love is not the ultimate solution but meaning.

 

[davidv]

I can define meaning as something which is the source of all motions.

You are certainly free to define the term anyway you like, particularly if you intent is to confuse. If, however, the definition does not apply to the context in which it is presented, the result is the obscuration of the truth. What follows is more confusion based on irrelevant definitions of terms.

It simply grants strength and peace once you find it.

That is not true. Love is simply an emotion. It is something in our nature to make sure that we stay bounded so life can keep going. We can depend on Love since it offers joy but it cannot offer peace and strength.

You can Love or don’t somebody else. Loving more it is matter of practice.

Love is simply an emotion. You could love some and not someone else. Loving more is a matter of practice.

This is already explained in the second post.

Purpose is simply a state of mind which gives us direction to move. It is not however meaning since meaning is something that we are all ultimately looking for it. You can define your purpose to join God. This gives you joy by loving each other but doesn’t provide any meaning.

That is not true. Everything is meaningless unless you find a meaning. Even loving God is meaningless.

To fear God can gives you a direction to act but it cannot give you meaning.

Love is not the ultimate solution but meaning.

 

[Bahman]

The most meaningful thing we can do with our life is to do God’s will.

That is not true. That is meaningless because it is simply a purpose.

Nothing else really matters in the eternal scheme of things.

That is not correct. We should be constantly look for meaning.

 

[davidv]

That is not true. That is meaningless because it is simply a purpose.

That is not correct. We should be constantly look for meaning.

That is not correct.

 

[Bahman]

You are certainly free to define the term anyway you like, particularly if you intent is to confuse. If, however, the definition does not apply to the context in which it is presented, the result is the obscuration of the truth. What follows is more confusion based on irrelevant definitions of terms.

It is very simple. We are not in peace and keep moving because we look for something which is nothing more than meaning otherwise our lives are meaningless if you think throughly.

 

[Bahman]

Now, it has great significance and meaning that we were created by God and created in his image and likeness. God has given us great gifts.

Is that anything meaningful?

For we can reason and know truth.

What is the Truth? Is that contain meaning too? How we can find meaning by reason?

We can know and love God. We can not just come to know the world around us, but also that which is hidden. And God raises us far above the animals to heavenly places. To eternal significance with eternal love, justice, beauty and truth. And, we are on a journey travelling to this state of perfection.

Is that really meaningful?

 

[RPRPsych]

0.99999…is equal to 1.

 

[MT1926]

I can define meaning as something which is the source of all motions. It simply grants strength and peace once you find it.

Just wanted to point out that we believe the source of all motions is God. So it looks like that is who you are looking for to give meaning to your life. Also, when we love God and one another he will give us both strength and peace, which by the way are both emotions.

That is not true. Love is simply an emotion. It is something in our nature to make sure that we stay bounded so life can keep going. We can depend on Love since it offers joy but it cannot offer peace and strength.

I think you guys are talking past each other on the term “love”. Yes love can be an emotion but more importantly from a Biblical standpoint, which I think Carl is speaking of, Love is an action.

Love is primarily an action word in the Bible, not an emotion. Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians, “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.

Purpose is simply a state of mind which gives us direction to move. It is not however meaning since meaning is something that we are all ultimately looking for it. You can define your purpose to join God. This gives you joy by loving each other but doesn’t provide any meaning.

That is not true. Everything is meaningless unless you find a meaning. Even loving God is meaningless.

I can agree that purpose gives us direction, which would be to love God and do his will. But that love (action) doesn’t always bring joy, quite often it has brought me intense physical and emotional pain. The pain is yet one more aspect of love and action that brings meaning to life.

 

[Giovonni]

It is very simple. We are not in peace and keep moving because we look for something which is nothing more than meaning otherwise our lives are meaningless if you think throughly.

Meaning is just a description of a mental state. Ultimately there is just desire, experience, and perception.

 

[RPRPsych]

According to Luke 1: 37, Our Blessed Mother and Elizabeth were cousins.

 

[fisherman_carl]

I can define meaning as something which is the source of all motions. It simply grants strength and peace once you find it.

That is not true. Love is simply an emotion. It is something in our nature to make sure that we stay bounded so life can keep going. We can depend on Love since it offers joy but it cannot offer peace and strength.

You can Love or don’t somebody else. Loving more it is matter of practice.

Love is simply an emotion. You could love some and not someone else. Loving more is a matter of practice.

This is already explained in the second post.

Purpose is simply a state of mind which gives us direction to move. It is not however meaning since meaning is something that we are all ultimately looking for it. You can define your purpose to join God. This gives you joy by loving each other but doesn’t provide any meaning.

That is not true. Everything is meaningless unless you find a meaning. Even loving God is meaningless.

To fear God can give you a direction to act but it cannot give you meaning.

Love is not the ultimate solution but meaning.

Without love you have no meaning.

And, more specifically without God’s love you do not have meaning, joy or peace.

 

[Nyx]

By accepting there is no objective purpose and/or deciding to create one for your own life…whatever works for different people. But my definition of peace in this context is emotional stability, not someone who reached Nirvana. It is simply understanding that there is no reason to believe life isn’t great just because it doesn’t come with a final, objective purpose.
Or as someone said “we live because we do, why do you need another reason for it”

 

[RPRPsych]

Al Gore did not invent the Internet.

 

[Sacred_Heart_1]

We are given lives, we grow, we enjoy and sometimes suffer and we eventually die. It is promised that we are given new lives again, after resurrection, and we go either to Hell or Heaven. But how all these could give any meaning to our lives? How we could find peace if our lives is meaningless?

Jesus said, he who loses his life for my sake shall find it.

He’s talking about the process of being born again into the Spirit of Truth.

Those who are born of the Holy Spirit are not born into meaninglessness. The meaning of life for these is the union between soul and spirit. The unity of the Holy Ghost. To become unto the Holy Spirit is the meaning of life. It is the place in life to serve God through our lives. Jesus says, whoever wants to be greatest in the kingdom must be servant to all.

For the greatest in the kingdom has the most to give in the Spirit of Life. If I’m to worship God in Spirit and Truth then I must be willing to give my life for that worship. It is the place in life that one must seek.

 

[LethalMouse]

Peace is a state of mind which you cannot be bothered by external and internal stimuli.

Here is where you do not understand love of God. As you have said before you stand in awe of the power of satan. I do not. To love God truly is to have peace, I do not claim to have attained that love in completion, but I have found a good chunk of it. You definition of peace here is why I do not stand in fear or in awe of satan. I love God, in a way that is not as you put it “simply emotional”. Ergo I can taste the tip of peace, I can be void the marjority of bother by external and internal stimuli, and I can strive to find the last bits of elusive love and [meaning] of what God provides us. When you search this out, when you find it, problems are not problems. Negativity is not negativity, truly you can taste the elements of peace that would be in a glorified resurrection, and you can have the most horrid things roll off you like water off a duck.

Bahman, you need to not seek to contain or master God, but to love Him and serve Him. To find a peace that would make Satan and such evils irrelevant like a piece of dandruff that fell off you, you never even knew existed.

 

[Bahman]

That is not correct
.

That simply means that you know the difference between purpose and meaning. Fulfilling a purpose does not grant you any meaning.

 

[Bahman]

Meaning is just a description of a mental state. Ultimately there is just desire, experience, and perception.

I think we use different terms for meaning. Meaning to me is not simply a description of a mental state but rather something which is ultimate reason for any motion. We move for different reasons but no reason can possibly give our lives any meaning since everything at the end is simply a form that we experience.

 

[RPRPsych]

The assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria was the event that triggered World War I.

 

[Bahman]

Just wanted to point out that we believe the source of all motions is God.

That is not true. We know that we move as a result of our emotions.

So it looks like that is who you are looking for to give meaning to your life. Also, when we love God and one another he will give us both strength and peace, which by the way are both emotions.

Love simply an emotion to ensure that we stay together. Love cannot give you any meaning when you feel meaningless.

I think you guys are talking past each other on the term “love”. Yes love can be an emotion but more importantly from a Biblical standpoint, which I think Carl is speaking of, Love is an action.

Those are other emotions which are actions, like hunger, greed, etc.

I can agree that purpose gives us direction, which would be to love God and do his will. But that love (action) doesn’t always bring joy, quite often it has brought me intense physical and emotional pain. The pain is yet one more aspect of love and action that brings meaning to life.

Yes, love can cause pain if it is not fulfilled.