Love only ensures that we are attached together. We can love each other living a meaningless life.Without love you have no meaning.
Love can give you joy. It can give you joy until you are not fulfilled. It put you in state of motion like other emotions hence it cannot grant you peace because peace is the state of rest. Love cannot also give you meaning because meaning is a part of knowledge.And, more specifically without God’s love you do not have meaning, joy or peace.
There exist objective purposes. We however don’t have access to it.By accepting there is no objective purpose and/or deciding to create one for your own life…whatever works for different people.
Emotional stability can only grant you temporary peace yet your life is still meaningless.But my definition of peace in this context is emotional stability, not someone who reached Nirvana.
The most important objective purpose is to find meaning.It is simply understanding that there is no reason to believe life isn’t great just because it doesn’t come with a final, objective purpose.
We need a reason for our lives since at the end of the day everything become meaningless when we get used to them.Or as someone said “we live because we do, why do you need another reason for it”
You can be a follower and get the reward for following if what is promised to you is true. You can also take your spiritual journey alone. So it is all up to us.Here is where you do not understand love of God. As you have said before you stand in awe of the power of satan. I do not. To love God truly is to have peace, I do not claim to have attained that love in completion, but I have found a good chunk of it. You definition of peace here is why I do not stand in fear or in awe of satan. I love God, in a way that is not as you put it “simply emotional”. Ergo I can taste the tip of peace, I can be void the marjority of bother by external and internal stimuli, and I can strive to find the last bits of elusive love and [meaning] of what God provides us. When you search this out, when you find it, problems are not problems. Negativity is not negativity, truly you can taste the elements of peace that would be in a glorified resurrection, and you can have the most horrid things roll off you like water off a duck.
Bahman, you need to not seek to contain or master God, but to love Him and serve Him. To find a peace that would make Satan and such evils irrelevant like a piece of dandruff that fell off you, you never even knew existed.
All things that you accepted is due to future. Why you should live a meaningless life right now?Jesus said, he who loses his life for my sake shall find it.
He’s talking about the process of being born again into the Spirit of Truth.
Those who are born of the Holy Spirit are not born into meaninglessness. The meaning of life for these is the union between soul and spirit. The unity of the Holy Ghost. To become unto the Holy Spirit is the meaning of life. It is the place in life to serve God through our lives. Jesus says, whoever wants to be greatest in the kingdom must be servant to all.
For the greatest in the kingdom has the most to give in the Spirit of Life. If I’m to worship God in Spirit and Truth then I must be willing to give my life for that worship. It is the place in life that one must seek.
Peace is not necessarily a state of “rest”. What you are describing here is more akin to nirvana, or a state where there is neither suffering, desire, or sense of self. I would argue however that when we talk about peace, we are talking about a sense of well-being.Love only ensures that we are attached together. We can love each other living a meaningless life.
Love can give you joy. It can give you joy until you are not fulfilled. It put you in state of motion like other emotions hence it cannot grant you peace because peace is the state of rest. Love cannot also give you meaning because meaning is a part of knowledge.
.I can define meaning as something which is the source of all motions. It simply grants strength and peace once you find it
What?You can be a follower and get the reward for following if what is promised to you is true. You can also take your spiritual journey alone. So it is all up to us.
State of Nirvana can give you peace but no meaning. Nirvana is simply a temporary mental state. Meaning however grants you permanent peace.Peace is not necessarily a state of “rest”. What you are describing here is more akin to nirvana, or a state where there is neither suffering, desire, or sense of self. I would argue however that when we talk about peace, we are talking about a sense of well-being.
Love is simply an emotion that help us to stay together so live keeps going. It has no relation with the state of well being.When we experience love in this life it is not a state of rest, but instead a state of well-being.
What is true love?You say that love is only fulfilling for a while,and then you are unsatisfied. On this plane of existence that may be true, although there are many who would say that true love can fulfill many lifetimes.
You can have better and better experience but at the end it is a mere experience.However, when we talk about heaven, that sense of well-being is eternal. Words will never give that feeling justice, it must be experienced. People who have had near-death experiences talk about it. They usually describe it as a sense of pure bliss. They are still in movement, but they feel love without a sense of worry or jealousy.
I agree that bliss is different from rest. The state of bliss can give you temporary state of joy and happiness. That however doesn’t grant you peace sine you need meaning.Meaning as you describe it is simply a mental construct to say we are trying to move towards a state of bliss. And bliss is much different than the state of “rest”.
From this response you are defining meaning as the “source of all motions”. You obviously do not know what this source is, because we can conclude that if you did you would have named it on your post.Originally Posted by Bahman
I can define meaning as something which is the source of all motions. It simply grants strength and peace once you find it.
As a Catholic I believe God is the unmoved mover. Unless you can scientifically prove that something can start from nothing, which it can’t, then I believe what you are searching for is God.Just wanted to point out that we believe the source of all motions is God. So it looks like that is who you are looking for to give meaning to your life. Also, when we love God and one another he will give us both strength and peace, which by the way are both emotions.
Based on this response you just stated that we “move as a result of our emotions”. If we take this response and add it to your above response we get:That is not true. We know that we move as a result of our emotions.
I don’t think that God is in charge of motion of all motions. Universe can sustain itself. I have an argument for that. Things are moving until the full fulfillment and that is not possible unless we find a meaning.Your definition of meaning is a trait of God. He is the source of all motions.
You as a believer should know the meaning. Do you know that?Therefore by your own definition, to find meaning which grants peace is to find God.
Two points, here. First I don’t agree the universe caused itself. Naturalism, is what you have described and it does not account for why anything exists instead of nothing. Second, you say that the universe moves by the laws of nature. But those laws must have originated by a creator. That however is a different thread. If you assume that God exists, then we have answered your question. Meaning (that which causes motion) must be God.I don’t think that God is in charge of motion of all motions. Universe can sustain itself. I have an argument for that. Things are moving until the full fulfillment and that is not possible unless we find a meaning.
You as a believer should know the meaning. Do you know that?
That I agree.Ok Bahman if we are going to make any headway we need to stay on the same page and finish reading that page before turning to the next page that has different meanings for the same words.
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I believe that meaning is the underlying concept which resides under the absolute truth. Truth stand upon absolute truth. Hence meaning is the source of all motions.I can define meaning as something which is the source of all motions. It simply grants strength and peace once you find it.
God in your system of belief is the creator and sustainer of universe. This however is problematic since God create universe by eternal cause and move it by temporal cause. You cannot possibly have both cause in the same framework.As a Catholic I believe God is the unmoved mover. Unless you can scientifically prove that something can start from nothing, which it can’t, then I believe what you are searching for is God.
I believe in God as creator but I believe that universe can sustain itself and can move based on laws of nature. Laws of nature is a part of truth and we are heading to find absolute truth and then meaning.
I think I address this point in previous comment.You outright ignore the possibility of God, which is your right, but you follow up by changing the definition of move.
That is not correct because love and another emotions only cause motion. We on top of that need purpose since purpose give our motions directions. We on top of that need to expand our knowledge to understand truth, then absolute truth and finally meaning.Based on this response you just stated that we “move as a result of our emotions”. If we take this response and add it to your above response we get:
- I can define meaning as something which is the source of all motions.
- We know that we move as a result of our emotions.
- Love is simply an emotion.
- Love being an emotion can cause motion.
- The motion caused by love can lead to meaning.
- The meaning that results from Love can grant strength and peace once you find it.
That is not correct.If you reread and put together all of the answers you gave trying to argue everyone’s comments, you will find you actually answered your own question. You just refuse to accept your own answer.
Thanks for your praying.I will keep praying for your Bahman. I pray that God will open your mind and your heart to see that he loves you and that your life is not meaningless.
God is not overcome by evil.We are given lives, we grow, we enjoy and sometimes suffer and we eventually die. It is promised that we are given new lives again, after resurrection, and we go either to Hell or Heaven. But how all these could give any meaning to our lives? How we could find peace if our lives is meaningless?
I agree with the fact that God caused creation.Two points, here. First I don’t agree the universe caused itself. Naturalism, is what you have described and it does not account for why anything exists instead of nothing.
The laws of nature is a part of knowledge hence it cannot be created. I have a thread for that.Second, you say that the universe moves by the laws of nature. But those laws must have originated by a creator. That however is a different thread.
How God could be related to Meaning? You are a believer. Do you have any meaning? Why we, believer and unbeliever, are in such states following our emotions blindly? Where we are going? Why God didn’t grant us the meaning in the first place so we could live in peace?If you assume that God exists, then we have answered your question. Meaning (that which causes motion) must be God.
I think I was enough clear. Please let me know if anything is unclear.What?
I have no idea how your post is related to OP?God is not overcome by evil.