Hundreds gather in Arizona for armed anti-Muslim protest

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ToeInTheWater said:
Yes, I recall that a recent topic on France barring Muslim women from wearing the hijab where many Catholics interpreted it as “Yay finally someone cracking down on those naughty terrorist-loving Muslims” and NOT as the attack on religious liberty that it is. What about Catholic women who “veil” as a spiritual exercise, what about those who wear a crucifix, etc.
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But that law pertains to all citizens:
The French law on secularity and conspicuous religious symbols in schools bans wearing conspicuous religious symbols in French public (i.e. government-operated) primary and secondary schools. The law is an amendment to the French Code of Education that expands principles founded in existing French law, especially the constitutional requirement of laïcité: the separation of state and religious activities.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_law_on_secularity_and_conspicuous_religious_symbols_in_schools

So your comments about the reactions of others I am unsure about.
 
This is a touchy subject altogether, first the police separating the 2 groups…Im not sure on their position, and may be mistaken on this, but would not police be responsible (at least to some degree), for defending the Constitutional rights of people? So if this is true, what should they do when the other group is trying to fight for their religion (Islam) and the right to practice it…but on the other hand, the 2nd group (those protesting Islam), are trying to fight for their right to protect the attack on the country from a religious group.

That is a tough one to be sure, but I do think the police made a mistake by not taking sides in this, when it should be their duty. They cant just stay neutral…that never works out well!
 
mikekle said:
This is a touchy subject altogether, first the police separating the 2 groups…Im not sure on their position, and may be mistaken on this, but would not police be responsible (at least to some degree), for defending the Constitutional rights of people? So if this is true, what should they do when the other group is trying to fight for their religion (Islam) and the right to practice it…but on the other hand, the 2nd group (those protesting Islam), are trying to fight for their right to protect the attack on the country from a religious group.

That is a tough one to be sure, but I do think the police made a mistake by not taking sides in this, when it should be their duty.
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I am almost afraid to ask what side you think they should be on. 🙂 I think separating opposing groups of people in these situations is Riot Control 101. Especially when one group is armed. The goal I would think would be to diffuse the situation and prevent injury or outbreaks of aggression or destruction of property. In a perfect world, the police are on the side of law and order. And making sure no one is hurt.
 
I’m surprised that jihadists didn’t show up to shoot up the place, as they did in Texas recently. I’m sure many in the crowd would have assisted them in their goal of achieving martyrdom. Of course, like most terrorists, they’re cowards, and won’t cause trouble where people are likely to shoot back.
 
Path_Finder said:
Though I agree with the spirit of your post, some individual verses from their own Holy Book seems to put fear into many persons hearts as well.
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Well, then there’s this, from our own Holy Book:
Remember, O Lord, against the Edomites
the day of Jerusalem’s fall,
how they said, “Tear it down! Tear it down!
Down to its foundations!”
8 O daughter Babylon, you devastator!**
Happy shall they be who pay you back
what you have done to us!
9 Happy shall they be who take your little ones
and dash them against the rock!**
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From Psalm 136(137)
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Not to mention what God did to the Egyptians in Exodus…
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Path_Finder said:
It may be rough around the edges but I don’t deny some of what these protesters did is probably good.
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The protesters were likely successful in frightening some decent and pious Muslims from entering their house of worship on Friday, and disturbing those who did attend religious services as well as the larger American Muslim population. Why is any of this good?

The whole situation is too reminiscent of the way Catholics, Jews, Mormons, and Quakers were once treated with suspicion and discrimination in the United States. Even if the global situation now is not exactly the same as it was then, do we learn nothing from parallel and comparable events in American history?
 
captainrick said:
I’m surprised that jihadists didn’t show up to shoot up the place, as they did in Texas recently. I’m sure many in the crowd would have assisted them in their goal of achieving martyrdom. Of course, like most terrorists, they’re cowards, and won’t cause trouble where people are likely to shoot back.
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Like most people going into their place of worship they would they ignore the people making fools of themselves in front of their Mosque. Can you imagine anything more infantile than gathering in front of a Mosque to draw naughty pictures of Mohammed?
 
estesbob said:
Like most people going into their place of worship they would they ignore the people making fools of themselves in front of their Mosque. Can you imagine anything more infantile than gathering in front of a Mosque to draw naughty pictures of Mohammed?
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It’s a tolerance test.
 
I’m so happy to live in a country where no one would show up with guns and hateful signs at the place where I worship. I can be proud that we have learned something from WWII and Nazi Germany. I feel confident that, as a people, we would clearly recognize the beginnings of religious based hate and stop it. Wouldn’t we?

Well, maybe not all of us would recognize the first stirrings of an attempt to manipulate feelings of fear and hate. The organizer of this disgraceful display, Jon Ritzheimer, wants these protests to happen in more cities. If he ever brought his form of hate to my city, I would stand with the Muslims for religious freedom. It could just as easily be my church targeted by bigots. Hate is never right.
 
Call me a liberal, but I believe that this “armed” protest was unnecessary. I mean not all Muslims are bad, only a small fraction are terrorists. Why are so many people so ignorant? Jeez, I know so many Muslim people who condemn ISIS and all acts of extremism. Not every Muslim is ISIS. I find it very ironic that most Catholics respect Jews more than Muslims, when Muslim people actually believe that Jesus was important and we have the same beliefs regarding Mary whereas Jews don’t even care about Jesus or Mary at all! How would you feel if a bunch of Muslims or Zionists stood outside your Catholic Church armed and protesting? We can’t generalize an institution based on the sins of a small fraction of people. Look at Catholicism, a small fraction of priests cause abuse scandals, does this mean that all priests are like that?, NO! We must look at the good aspects of people and not judge others. I know must of you guys are patriotic and are still hurt at what happened during 9/11 but hey, the U.S kind of had a part in it as well, considering the FBI ignored warnings of such attacks. Yes, there are Muslim, Jewish, and Catholic saints in Heaven and Jesus loves everyone no matter how bad the person is. Who are we to judge?
 
estesbob said:
Like most people going into their place of worship they would they ignore the people making fools of themselves in front of their Mosque. Can you imagine anything more infantile than gathering in front of a Mosque to draw naughty pictures of Mohammed?
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You’re right. But I said jihadists and terrorists, not Muslims. Perhaps you are one of those who thinks that anyone criticizing jihadists, terrorists or radical Islamists is croticizing Muslims in general. That’s not the case.
 
captainrick said:
You’re right. But I said jihadists and terrorists, not Muslims. Perhaps you are one of those who thinks that anyone criticizing jihadists, terrorists or radical Islamists is croticizing Muslims in general. That’s not the case.
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No-I am suggest these protesters were immature and intolerant bigots.
 
meltzerboy said:
So is that the purpose of the protestation: to prove a legal right and, in so doing, incite bloodshed?
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What bloodshed occurred? Did I miss that news item?

I really don’t know what their purpose was. Perhaps the people there were sick of seeing and reading about the senseless murders of innocent Christians and Muslims, including children, by radical islamists. Maybe not the best possible reaction, but I can understand theIr frustration.

At least, unlike the “protesters” in Baltimore, they didn’t burn and loot the mosque, or assault the police.
 
No, not at my Church. The Sharia law is alien to the US. Catholic legalities fit properly into a Democracy -we evolved together.

Islamism in a Democracy is like trying to fit a round ball into a square hole. Likewise, shooting up a Danish cartoon, then Charlie, then Pamela is all an extention of Islamic law/Islamism.
 
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