Hundreds gather in Arizona for armed anti-Muslim protest

[TEPO]

I dont believe that one can be a moderate Christian or a moderate Muslim, rather one can be a Muslim or Christian for example.

In Catholic majority lands of the past, their were laws of which some folks may have viewed as inhumane laws. Would you also ask me about the laws on the books during the times of the Catholic King Ferdinand II or Aragon?

There are some 1.5 billion Muslims in the present world, and not all Muslim majority countries have a form of religious laws on the book. The present day Muslim majority countries that do have religious laws, or a partial form of Sharia law, implement these religious laws differently, The laws in Saudi Arabia differ from the laws in Jordan and Iran. The Jewish State of Israel also has religious laws on the book, So If I was to be critical of the religious laws in Jordan, I would also find myself being critical of the Torah related Laws in Israel, which are used in Israeli family courts…and I dont want to go down this route, I find it unnecessary.

Wrt Iran, I dont agree with all of the laws of Iran. Also notable present day Muslim leaders have suggested that its wrong for modern day humans to punish someone for leaving Islam.

I view Islam, Christianity, and Judaism as religions of peace. I have also found that Pope Francis speaks positively of Muslims,btw I dont think I have heard Pope Francis use the term Islamist to describe Muslims.

Well that just makes all Muslims look bad, especially when there are a great many Muslims who are really good people, particularly the Sufi.

…It’s really an insult to Sufis to say that Wahabi Salafist Islam is no better or worse, especially the way women are treated in Salafist areas. If they’re caught outside alone without a male present, they get whipped. But you’re not willing to speak up against these sinful injustices. You’d rather just claim that all Muslims are the same in that regard while ignoring the problem.

 

[TEPO]

That is like asking if Jews can still be considered Jewish if they despise the Beth Din. The answer to both is yes. There is as much diversity of opinion and orthodoxy in Islam as there is in any other religion.

Well that’s a relief, and I agree.

I dont believe the Sufi take Sharia all that seriously, like many Sunni or Shia do, although I understand that not all of them do. To me, this is the difference between an Islamist and a Muslim.

 

[Miss_Felicity]

We don’t need armed para-military groups holding rallies condemning religions outside of places of worship. That isn’t what the USA is all about.

It may be legal, but it is morally wrong.

Pretty Much.

 

[TEPO]

When considering animals….
Predators do not always select the weakest to kill.
Consider feigning death and chase/kill sequence in all this.

Then God said: Let us make human beings in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the tame animals, all the wild animals, and all the creatures that crawl on the earth. Genesis 1:26

We can and do observe animal behaviors. We can learn about ourselves and others through all of God’s creation.

I agree. I was pondering on my dog this morning, and discovered that his nose is the primary sensory unit that controls his brain. Unlike humans, who balance an array of senses more equally. Just a slightly off topic observation that I can’t help from sharing.

…But it’s why dogs cant talk. . Just imagine your entire motivation in doing things as being based on smell. He’s preoccupied with it.

 

[HolyCrusader007]

Well that just makes all Muslims look bad, especially when there are a great many Muslims who are really good people, particularly the Sufi.

I dont understand how my last post makes all Muslims look bad in your view. I also think Sufis are good people,

It’s really an insult to Sufis to say that Wahabi Salafist Islam is no better or worse, especially the way women are treated in Salafist areas. If they’re caught outside alone without a male present, they get whipped. But you’re not willing to speak up against these sinful injustices.

As for Wahabi, Salafist, I did not say these terms in my last post. Your the person bringing this up. In your last post you brought up Iran and I then said I disagreed with Irans laws but that I cant find a way to be critical of Israel or Jordan just because these countries have religious laws. Now, your bringing up the terms Wahabi and Salafist,I was genuinely curious, why are you doing this?

You’d rather just claim that all Muslims are the same in that regard while ignoring the problem.

What was this in response to? Nowhere did I claim that all Muslims are the same

 

[TEPO]

I dont understand how my last post makes all Muslims look bad in your view. I also think Sufis are good people

Placing all Muslims or all forms of Islam on an equal playing field ignores the fact that millions of Muslims are okay with death sentences for homosexuals, adterers, converts and blasphemers while other Muslims are opposed to it. Wouldn’t it make more sense to have a name for the evil, more ideological forms of Islam rather than lumping them all together thus spoiling the whole bunch? You do understand that it is not only ISIS who does this, but Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Iran, Egypt, Syria and others… Its widespread.

As for Wahabi, Salafist, I did not say these terms in my last post. Your the person bringing this up. In your last post you brought up Iran and I then said I disagreed with Irans laws but that I cant find a way to be critical of Israel or Jordan just because these countries have religious laws. Now, your bringing up the terms Wahabi and Salafist,I was genuinely curious, why are you doing this?

I’m bringing these things up to your attention to inform you that it’s not just Iran but its an entire movement within both Sunni and Shia… Its something that is rooted deeply within many sects of Islam -which is why we cannot just say it’s ISIS or Iran, because it’s much more than that. It’s in many countries now, including the U.S.

…most Mosques in the U.S. now have their teaching materials sent from Saudi Arabia. They actually are poisoning all of Islam from within. It’s a real problem.

What was this in response to? Nowhere did I claim that all Muslims are the same

You said there are only Muslims and not Islamists. By saying that, you include all unholy practices under one name which is Islam. By doing that, you do an injustice to the moderate Muslims by including the evils of Salafist Wahabi teachings.

 

[TEPO]

What I’m talking about is murder in the name of God. It’s the ultimate sin against the Holy Spirit and it’s the ultimate blasphemy… Pure evil.

 

[Path_Finder]

I’d probably not go to a rally like that, I don’t agree with the total view of the protesters but they have called for tolerance of others’ opinions and that is to be saluted. You won’t find me engaging in intolerance by calling them names either just because they don’t think exactly like I do.

 

[TEPO]

I’d probably not go to a rally like that, I don’t agree with the total view of the protesters but they have called for tolerance of others’ opinions and that is to be saluted. You won’t find me engaging in intolerance by calling them names either just because they don’t think exactly like I do.

Yeah, I know I said earlier that I planned on attending, but I didn’t realize it was that night -I live about 6 hrs. away anyways.

…But even if I did go, I wouldn’t be doing much shouting myself. I’m more of an observer. Still though, I can imagine more of these events taking place unless less terrorism occurs. It’s up to the Islamists what happens. They should leave both Geller and this organizer alone or there will be much bigger problems than this I’m sure.

 

[Paddy1989]

A worthy observation I am loath to disagree with. As long we don’t take up arming ourselves and randomly shooting them down à la the UVF and the IRA, I’m good…some people get a little unhinged in a quest to rid a country of undesirables…

Don’t you dare call the IRA terriosts mate as you haven’t a clue. The IRA were engaged in a political war in a fight to Liberate It’s own country from An anti catholic imperialist foreign nation. The UVF were a force aided by Britain to keep sectarian conflict alive. Not all IRA attacks were justifiable but those individuals will have to answer to God for that however the conflict was a political one in which combatants engaged combatants. How many innocents have the Yankee terrorists killed in the middle east which Is only fueling groups like ISIS to exist. It’s IMMORAL

 

[Catholic_farmer]

If they held a similar protest in front of a mosque in my city. I would go. But I would stand with the Muslims.

I see no difference between choosing a side in this debate and the choices Germans made in the 1930s. I’d like to think that I would have stood with the Jews in that country at that time.

What would you do?

 

[Path_Finder]

If they held a similar protest in front of a mosque in my city. I would go. But I would stand with the Muslims.

I see no difference between choosing a side in this debate and the choices Germans made in the 1930s. I’d like to think that I would have stood with the Jews in that country at that time.

What would you do?

So your comparison is that people who stand up for free speech and tolerance are being like the Nazis? I find that offensive.

I agree we should respect religion, we should also respect the rights of protesters and once again, I guess the word is hyperbole and no limits seem to be on how one can describe them.

 

[Path_Finder]

Yeah, I know I said earlier that I planned on attending, but I didn’t realize it was that night -I live about 6 hrs. away anyways.

…But even if I did go, I wouldn’t be doing much shouting myself. I’m more of an observer. Still though, I can imagine more of these events taking place unless less terrorism occurs. It’s up to the Islamists what happens. They should leave both Geller and this organizer alone or there will be much bigger problems than this I’m sure.

In ways, these protesters are nonetheless admirable when they stood up for free speech. It was a peaceful protest and they passed with flying colors. There were indications that they should defend themselves.

 

[Path_Finder]

Looks likely is the Muslims passed with flying colors. The “protestors” looked like idiots.

The protestors kept the peace so they passed with flying colors. They waved flags was what I mainly saw on the news.

I agree, there certainly can be some uncharitable offensive words ascribed to the protestors.

 

[estesbob]

The protestors kept the peace so they passed with flying colors. They waved flags was what I mainly saw on the news.

I agree, there certainly can be some uncharitable offensive words ascribed to the protestors.

And drew insulting pictures of Mohammed.How mature.Perhaps next they should show pornographic movies in front of a Catholic a church to protest the Churches archaic views on sex.

One does not have to ascribe offensive words to he protesters Their leader wers a shirt that says **** Islam . Another sign of the maturity of these brave patriots disrupting a religious service

 

[estesbob]

If they held a similar protest in front of a mosque in my city. I would go. But I would stand with the Muslims.

Same here.

 

[RACJ]

It is reported that Samuel Johnson said that “patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel,” and Mark Twain echoed Johnson’s sentiment. However, in the case of those gathered in Arizona for an armed anti-Muslim protest outside a mosque, I blame it primarily on the heat.

As expected, another liberal cliche that makes no sense 99% of the time. It only serves to silence some among those of us who love America.

 

[Exiled_Child]

It is reported that Samuel Johnson said that “patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel,” and Mark Twain echoed Johnson’s sentiment. However, in the case of those gathered in Arizona for an armed anti-Muslim protest outside a mosque, I blame it primarily on the heat.

LOL Cooked brains goes a long way toward explaining events in Arizona. Or maybe it was tainted menudo.

 

[RACJ]

So your comparison is that people who stand up for free speech and tolerance are being like the Nazis? I find that offensive.

I agree we should respect religion, we should also respect the rights of protesters and once again, I guess the word is hyperbole and no limits seem to be on how one can describe them.

Good post. Islam and Freedom are mutually exclusive. There are many countries in which those who wish to live as serfs can happily do so. They should find one if they can’t accept OUR Constitution and way of life.

 

[philipl]

I can only thank God this attitude was in the minority during the American revolutionary war. We would still be a Colony of Britian had most people expressed these ideas.