Hundreds gather in Arizona for armed anti-Muslim protest

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The Kiss logo, how curious. Can one see anything in it?? Yet, it has been around for 40 years and Gene Simmons seems to be Jewish.

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How about the Ramones singing “Blitzkrieg Bop”?

These things happen.

How about when Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin played guitar using some sort of 3rd Reich cap, now all of a sudden, what?? That was the '70s, it is interesting but these groups have had this for a long time and to tell the truth, some of these few gangs may have white supremacist elements in them.

And there is a group called Queensryche too.
 
Actually, even if you could find a member of the Aryan Brotherhood among the bikers or out of the crowd of 500, does that really change things?

The protest was set up and from what I understand was probably somewhat vague in aspects but did encourage people to bring American flags and be prepared to exercise “2nd amendment rights” because it might be needed.
 
Path_Finder said:
Yes, we must live our lives in fear of voicing ourselves. After all, having 2 suspected terrorists who committed the deed in Garland Texas certainly doesn’t make anyone look crazed and the 2 more if those stories are true.

I think this place had had some radicals, as opposed to the scenario that is sometimes seen of innocents being shot, they seemed to say try it on armed citizens. In other words, come and get it.

Per what Liberals say, I don’t think we should be concerned with that if the news is any indicator.
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Actually I retract my comment implying that “conservatives” were in support of or participated in this “protest.” It’s not fair or true.
 
I wonder if any of the people here would have had such a big problem with a protest in front of any of the mosques in the NYC area where Sheikh Omar Abdul Rahman known as the Blind Sheikh or Imam, preached.
 
Oh, really, you believe that? Again, to this hyperbole, why not liken the protesters to Dr. Martin Luther King or Gandhi? Bottom line, is that they broke no laws.
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I tend to agree with **estesbob’**s opinion of this topic, but last I checked, Catholics do not decide questions of morality or prudence by whether actions “broke no laws”.

Abortion, contraception, adultery, detraction; none of these actions break any laws in most of the US (I think there might be a few states left where adultery is illegal, but not many). And although most Catholics would want abortion made illegal, many don’t think it’s appropriate to strive to make contraception and adultery illegal. Detraction is likely 100% legal per the 1st amendment. That doesn’t mean all such actions should be tolerated, much less commended.
 
Seamus_L said:
I wonder if any of the people here would have had such a big problem with a protest in front of any of the mosques in the NYC area where Sheikh Omar Abdul Rahman known as the Blind Sheikh or Imam, preached.
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I did. And I had a problem with the angry demonstrations over the Park 51 project (the misnamed “Ground Zero Mosque” project).
 
Path_Finder said:
The Kiss logo, how curious. Can one see anything in it?? Yet, it has been around for 40 years and Gene Simmons seems to be Jewish.

logonoid.com/images/kiss-logo.jpg

How about the Ramones singing “Blitzkrieg Bop”?

These things happen.

How about when Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin played guitar using some sort of 3rd Reich cap, now all of a sudden, what?? That was the '70s, it is interesting but these groups have had this for a long time and to tell the truth, some of these few gangs may have white supremacist elements in them.

And there is a group called Queensryche too.
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There’s no need to speculate. They were protesting a group of people who were a different ethnicity/religion than them simply because they are a different ethnicity/religion. That is what neo-nazis do. How many racist protests did Jimmy Page, Queensryche, or the Ramones attend? Actions speak louder than symbols.
 
J_Peterson said:
There’s no need to speculate. They were protesting a group of people who were a different ethnicity/religion than them simply because they are a different ethnicity/religion. That is what neo-nazis do. How many racist protests did Jimmy Page, Queensryche, or the Ramones attend? Actions speak louder than symbols.
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And where is your back up for this? That is speculation as far as I know.

The organizer wrote on facebook, bring your American flags, if defense is needed, be prepared to exercise your 2nd amendment rights.
 
The organizer said this was a protest and that their would be a contest drawing held of the Prophet, if people don’t like this, he said “Tough …” So I hope we are not making more speculative judgements on people that are incendiary.

Oh for the record, the lyrics of Blitzkrieg Bop:

Excerpt:
Hey ho, let’s go
Shoot’em in the back now
What they want, I don’t know
They’re all reved up and ready to go
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azlyrics.com/lyrics/ramones/blitzkriegbop.html

IT seems to definitely serve a purpose to say “We don’t need to speculate” about some people but the Ramones can sing this and it is played at sporting events and it is no problem.
 
Path_Finder said:
And where is your back up for this? That is speculation as far as I know.

The organizer wrote on facebook, bring your American flags, if defense is needed, be prepared to exercise your 2nd amendment rights.
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They were protesting Muslims because they are Muslim. Only racists do things like that. That is the evidence. Pointing out that they were willing to shoot the peope they were protesting isn’t evidence that it wasn’t motivated by racism.
 
Note that many of the past excesses against minority populations were NOT perpetrated due to some evil bigots rubbing their hands together and gleefully scheming how to keep them down just because They’re Evil Like That.

Much of the time, people justify their actions as arising out of self-defense and portray themselves as the victims. Much of the anti-immigrant sentiment focuses on drug crimes and/or violent crimes committed by some immigrants. Many Men’s Rights Activists claim they’re just trying to defend themselves against the evil feminists. Etc, etc.

While I think this situation is a little more justifiable than if they targeted a random mosque (since the radicals recently killed at the Draw Muhammad conteat did come from this mosque); I’ll ask, what if a Catholic pro-life extremist murdered an abortion provider. Would a “pro-choice” protest in front of the church that person happened to attend be appropriate?
 
Paddy1989 said:
One thing I can assure every American here is that these actions are only to antangonize Muslims most of which live in and are happy in your Nation. It’s unchristain as it’s sole purpose is to stir hatred instead of reaching out, your pushing away the only people who could ever defeat groups like ISIS
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I agree with your comments on the Anti Muslim event and I wonder how any Catholic could condone an Anti Muslim event such as what we saw in Phoenix. BTW I do believe that a Catholic is obligated to oppose Anti Jewish and or Anti Muslim events.
 
I also want to add that this view that Muslims are not doing enough to take on ISIL is inaccurate. Muslims in mass numbers oppose ISIL. Groups like SIOA, which is led by Pam Geller and Robert Spencer, do not talk about the polls which portray Muslims in similar fashions to Christians, some polls show that Muslims are answering to religious questions in similar manners as Christians.
 
J_Peterson said:
They were protesting Muslims because they are Muslim. Only racists do things like that. That is the evidence. Pointing out that they were willing to shoot the peope they were protesting isn’t evidence that it wasn’t motivated by racism.
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Now, you are calling them the bigots?? Do I understand this correctly with your total lack of any evidence or factual statements?

Let’s see, 4 Terrorists were out of that Mosque, the 2 who tried to shoot up the Draw Mohammed were from that place, drove 600, 700 miles to Garland Texas.

Okay, for counterbalance, I’m going to say the head of the organization seems to be a Martin Luther King type. This seems to be a remedy for this. The organization head crusaded for free speech as we have seen people killed for making movies, drawing cartoons and he sees that as wrong and that was what he was protesting.

There, that is evidence counter to your argument.
 
HolyCrusader007 said:
I also want to add that this view that Muslims are not doing enough to take on ISIL is inaccurate. Muslims, in mass numbers, oppose ISIL. Groups like SIOA, which is led by Pam Geller and Robert Spencer, do not talk about the polls which portray Muslims in similar fashions to Christians, some polls show that Muslims are answering to religious questions in similar manners as Christians.
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Totally agree, no one has actually suffered more against ISIL than Muslims from what I can tell, at least in the number of victims. They are in a very difficult place.
 
ToeInTheWater said:
Note that many of the past excesses against minority populations were NOT perpetrated due to some evil bigots rubbing their hands together and gleefully scheming how to keep them down just because They’re Evil Like That.

Much of the time, people justify their actions as arising out of self-defense and portray themselves as the victims. Much of the anti-immigrant sentiment focuses on drug crimes and/or violent crimes committed by some immigrants. Many Men’s Rights Activists claim they’re just trying to defend themselves against the evil feminists. Etc, etc.

While I think this situation is a little more justifiable than if they targeted a random mosque (since the radicals recently killed at the Draw Muhammad conteat did come from this mosque); I’ll ask, what if a Catholic pro-life extremist murdered an abortion provider. Would a “pro-choice” protest in front of the church that person happened to attend be appropriate?
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Maybe if a Church produced a number of these kinds of pro-life extremists, it may well be justified.

Was Rabbi Kahane (spelling) protested in New York?? I don’t know. I know he was controversial and don’t care to get into his views totally but he was the victim of an assassination.
 
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