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brotherhrolf
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Charleston…I should have known…An English New Orleans or New Orleans is a French Charleston. The only other place on God’s Green Earth where i felt at home!
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maurin
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Let me be the one to offer apologies and beg pardon!! I am not explaining my thoughts very well, because I have not, in my own mind, decided what I think.Kind of…I am sorry (honestly)
But I seem to be missing something here (as usual)…
Let me see if I got this right from your example above …you are wondering what would make her change the words in the first place…did you ask her or the Priest?
As to why others would revile the the NO or the TLM in general…I think some of it has to do with Satan…meaning he has got hold of certain folks and through them he can revile our Sacred and Holy Mass…I do think that we need to pray for our Priests, Bishops, Pope.
I am also sure that there are other reasons that a person would feel the need to revile the Mass…as there are many Priests, Bishops etc. that revile the Mass there are as many reasons!
Once again this is just my humble opinion
The question in my mind about why the Cantor would change the word of the Gloria was really rhetorical…it is one of those “p(name removed by moderator)ricks” I referred to in my original post. But I suppose I was wondering about her motivation (the Cantor’s).
This got me to thinking about why there are so many heated discussions concerning the state of the Liturgy these days. Are the “liberals” really trying to tear the Church apart at worst, or water down Jesus’ message at best? Are the Traditionalists all Pharisees whose very salvation depends on, in their minds, cassocks and surplices and male-only Altar servers?
Of course I am using extreme and silly examples here. Better maybe to talk about the reception of our Lord in the Eucharist as a more apt example as far as motivation goes. As a very young child, 8 yrs old at my first Holy Communion, we received on the tongue with the server holding a (paten?) under our chins while we knelt at the Altar Rail. That is my only memory of receiving Him in that posture.
Personally, I rail against those who tell me I am not respecting our Lord when I receive Him in my hand, and I rail also against those who mock me when I receive Him on my tongue as I am apt to do when I’m moved to. Because there are times when, in my mind, one posture is more appropriate than the other, and these times are always dictated by my own feelings: Do I need to have that reminder of His Love, mercy and choice of adopting ME as a son through His only-begotten?, or am I in such awe of His Love, mercy and choice of adopting ME as a son through His only-begotten?
Does any of this make any sense at all, somehow, on any level? This is what I mean by motivation.
And of course, all of my railing against this one or that one is done silently in my own mind…
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maurin
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hey brotherhrolf!
I had the pleasure of visiting your beautiful city of New Orleans only once, but I had the distinct privilege of living in Charleston for a year and a half. very beautiful!!! I miss it very much.
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netmilsmom
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Sometimes I think that people just don’t know what it right.
I attended a Holy Mass in FL. It truly was a production number. Down to the spotlight on the Altar and the lights brought down on the congregation.
I know in my heart of hearts that they were doing their best and no one taught them that it’s not suppose to be entertainment. I imagined Our Heavenly Father looking down on them, like I do when my kids put on a show. I smile knowing that they are trying really hard.
I went to an “Independent” Catholic church to pick up a copy of the Baltimore Catechism. They were nice enough but passed out flyers stating that the New Mass was wrong. They were trying to save souls, but were pushing people away. They even had to gate their school.
I want to be a Catholic/Christian and not a Christian/Catholic. I don’t want to have someone’s interpertation of the Bible ruling my church unless that person is Our Holy Father. By the same token, I don’t want a person telling me that everything I do is wrong in my NO Holy Mass. People’s motivations are simple. They love their neighbor and want to save their soul.
I attended a Holy Mass in FL. It truly was a production number. Down to the spotlight on the Altar and the lights brought down on the congregation.
I know in my heart of hearts that they were doing their best and no one taught them that it’s not suppose to be entertainment. I imagined Our Heavenly Father looking down on them, like I do when my kids put on a show. I smile knowing that they are trying really hard.
I went to an “Independent” Catholic church to pick up a copy of the Baltimore Catechism. They were nice enough but passed out flyers stating that the New Mass was wrong. They were trying to save souls, but were pushing people away. They even had to gate their school.
I want to be a Catholic/Christian and not a Christian/Catholic. I don’t want to have someone’s interpertation of the Bible ruling my church unless that person is Our Holy Father. By the same token, I don’t want a person telling me that everything I do is wrong in my NO Holy Mass. People’s motivations are simple. They love their neighbor and want to save their soul.
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Adonis33
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Not to get off-topic, but My wife and I went to Savannah, GA a couple of weeks ago - loved it. They have this church - St. John the Baptist - I think it rivals St. Louis Cathedral in New Orleans.
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Adonis33
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I agree. I think peoples hearts are in the right place - unfortunately I wonder how many souls they lead the wrong way.
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maurin
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Charleston’s Cathedral is also named for St. John the Baptist!
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maurin
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aha!!! motivation!!! but I do not understand your ultimate statement: unfortunately I wonder how many souls they lead the wrong way. May I ask you to explain?
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brotherhrolf
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And I am dead serious about Charleston. I have never, ever, found a city which felt so much like the city of my birth. Charleston floored me and the food was soooo similar!!! Mon general, Pierre Gustav Toutaint Beauregard must have known what he was doin’ way back in 61.
From a really pragmatic viewpoint, Charleston, Savannah, Havanna, and New Orleans were all on the same route. Back and forth. Forth and back. DW has been to Savannah and reports the same thing. Mais chers, mis amigos, we have a comon heritage.
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Karin
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Please there is no need for this…at times event he best of us can not put in written word what is in our hearts and minds!
Ok understandable…I too wonder why she felt the need to change the words…
I think the answer honestly lays somewhere in the middle of these two extremes.
Ok just a wee bit of clarification here (on the bolded part)…when is one posture more appropriate than another for you?
We always need the reminder of His love & mercy…and we also should always have that awe of His love and mercy…they go together in my humble mind, no?
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Adonis33
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My wife and I would really like to move to Savannah.
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Adonis33
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I was refering to the independant TLM churches that pass out material that state that the NO mass is invalid. Although they want to save souls - I am afraid they may lead people into a shismatic attitude that can only be damaging to their souls.
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netmilsmom
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I’m saying they are misguided.
Just as making Holy Mass a show is misguided.
Both think that they are doing things right. They have no clue how wrong they are. Their Hearts are in the right place, so to speak.
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Adonis33
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This is better than the way I tried to explain it.
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mdstanzel
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Thank you for your kind words again. I’m beginning to feel ignored. Maybe its something I said. Some people get mad if they find out that I was formerly a seminarian - even if they know the story of why I left. There are some pretty judgemental people in the world that act like they’re really religious. My father was a Latin Mass all the way and anyone not in his belief was a good as the non-Catholics - condemned to hell.
Also, thanks karen. At least 2 replies show some support. I’m new to this board because I just returned back to the Church in early November 2006. Long story. Credit to Time Warner, EWTN, Catholic Radio, Internet and expecially Ex-Church of Christ (makephpbb.com/phpbb/index.php?mforum=members)). There are a lot of converts from the Church of Christ from the latter. Amazing stories. I discovered my wife secretly venting on there. Her father was a Bishop (elder) and her 2 oldest brothers are ministers. Its getting stressful.
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Adonis33
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Wow - people get mad because you left the seminary? I’m sorry to hear that. I have known people who left the seminary - I just assumed it was God’s Will. God had another plan for them.
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netmilsmom
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Trust me, my friend. No one is ignoring you. Sometimes we post our thoughts and they are complete. There are no questions or nothing that anyone disagrees with, so we get no response.
I’m not sure that you are going to get a High Five on every thread but if you keep posting, you will find that joining the conversation means responding to the posts as well as stating your thoughts. For a time, I felt I was a thread killer because I would post then no one else would!!!
BTW, if someone has a problem that you left the seminary, they have no clue about God’s Calling. God called you to be a husband, not a priest. Nuff said, God’s will.
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Karin
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Oh dear…I never meant to ignore you…I just honestly missed your post…
Once again…welcome home
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Joysong
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Dear mdstanzel,
St. Francis de Sales spoke strongly against judging ex-(name it)'s, for God led their lives on another path. Be at peace and know the comfort of your family here. http://bestsmileys.com/hugging/3.gif
My grandfather was in the seminary, too, and I have the precious heirloom of his prayer book dated 1913. Talk about the most beautiful prayers!!! Oh my, you should read the morning offering. Anyway, were it not for his leaving, maybe I wouldn’t be here to say hello to you!
Thanks for stopping by. I’ll be glad to read your story after I log off.
St. Francis de Sales spoke strongly against judging ex-(name it)'s, for God led their lives on another path. Be at peace and know the comfort of your family here. http://bestsmileys.com/hugging/3.gif
My grandfather was in the seminary, too, and I have the precious heirloom of his prayer book dated 1913. Talk about the most beautiful prayers!!! Oh my, you should read the morning offering. Anyway, were it not for his leaving, maybe I wouldn’t be here to say hello to you!
Thanks for stopping by. I’ll be glad to read your story after I log off.
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