I can't believe you all are not LDS(Mormon)!

[why_me]

What, no “Heavenly Mother” ? ​

Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah! Jesus annointed that Prophet and Seer.Blessed to open the last dispensation, Kings shall extol him, and nations revere.

chorus: Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven! Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.

Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren; Death cannot conquer the hero again.

Praise to his memory, he died as a martyr; Honored and blest be his ever great name!

Long shall his blood, which was shed by assassins, Plead unto heaven while the earth lauds his fame.

Great is his glory and endless his priesthood: Ever and ever the keys he will hold.

Faithful and true, he will enter his kingdom, Crowned in the midst of the prophets of old.

Sacrifice brings forth the blessings of heaven; Earth must atone for the blood of that man.

Wake up the world for the conflict of justice. Millions shall know "brother Joseph" again.

The song that was quoted was written at a time when the saints were in mourning for Joseph Smith. It is a very beautiful song that praises a man that mormons admire. Nothing wrong in that. It is still sung today at times in lds meetings and in general conference.

 

[why_me]

It bothers Brigham Young.

*"[W]e will take a strict, religious, holy, down country, eastern Yankee, who would whip a beer barrel for working on Sunday, and never suffer a child to go into company of his age—never suffer him to have any associates, or permit him to do any thing or know anything, only what the deacon, priests, or missionaries bring to the house; when that child attains to mature age, say eighteen or twenty years, he is very apt to steal away from his father and mother; and when he has broken his bands, you would think all hell was let loose, and that he would compass the world at once.

Now understand it—when parents whip their children for reading novels, and never let them go to the theatre, or to any place of recreation and amusement, but bind them to the moral law, until duty becomes loathsome to them; when they are freed by age from the rigorous training of their parents, they are more fit for companions to devils, than to be the children of such religious parents.

If I do not learn what is in the world, from first to last, somebody will be wiser than I am. I intend to know the whole of it, both good and bad. Shall I practise evil? No; neither have I told you to practise it, but to learn by the light of truth every principle there is in existence in the world.

Still further. When I was young, I was kept within very strict bounds, and was not allowed to walk more than half-an-hour on Sunday for exercise. The proper and necessary gambols of youth having been denied me, makes me want active exercise and amusement now. I had not a chance to dance when I was young, and never heard the enchanting tones of the violin, until I was eleven years of age; and then I thought I was on the high way to hell, if I suffered myself to linger and listen to it. I shall not subject my little children to such a course of unnatural training, but they shall go to the dance, study music, read novels, and do anything else that will tend to expand their frames, add fire to their spirits, improve their minds, and make them feel free and untrammeled in body and mind. Let everything come in its season, place everything in the place designed for it, and do everything in its right time. And inasmuch as the Lord Almighty has designed us to know all that is in the earth, both the good and the evil, and to learn not only what is in heaven, but what is in hell, you need not expect ever to get through learning. Though I mean to learn all that is in heaven, earth, and hell. Do I need to commit iniquity to do it? No. If I were to go into the bowels of hell to find out what is there, that does not make it necessary that I should commit one evil, or blaspheme in any way the name of my Maker."*

- Brigham Young, “Organization and Development of Man” (Journal of Discourses 2:94)​

Hello Tsuzuki!

Good to see you hear again. I still have my doubts about the OP but I will give the poster the benefit of doubt about her being a mormon. Mormons are not just encouraged to read lds books. In fact, mormons are often told to search out the best books to develop their minds and human potential. BYU is a good example of this.

 

[why_me]

Why, if the poster is not a Mormon, does the poster especially have to be Catholic?

At times a poster can bait other posters. I believe that Zerinus has called out some catholic OP’s who have started mormon threads either pretending to be mormons or seeking advice about the lds church as an ‘investigator’ of that church.

I just found it suspcious that she would say ‘bow down to the pope’ and about only reading lds literature. It sounded like baiting. But maybe she is mormon.

 

[why_me]

Which Mormon Church do you belong too?

Video showing Mormon missionaries in training…

youtube.com/watch?v=UMJvqBq_Qa8

Answer the question they should have asked! Don’t provide meat when milk will do!

May the peace of the Lord be with you,
Prodigal Son1

To be honest, I have never been to a mormon meeting where the guys would wear hats during the meeting or the conference. It seems unmormonlike to me. And this makes this video very suspicious. Now I could be wrong but how do I know that this is an actual mormon meeting?

 

[why_me]

Lucy, WhyMe is a once-upon-a-time Catholic who is now a Mormon and often portrays Mormon and Catholic issues consistent with that change in belief. This time, it appears that to take such a convoluted position, it requires a person to twist themselves up rather like a pretzel. The scenario WhyMe has described is possible but not very probable.

The simpler and more obvious conclusion is that the OP is a Mormon who cannot withstand being called to account for the numerous flaws inherent in her religion.

Actually, it goes like this: Whyme is a once-upon-a-time born catholic who became mormon and now attends Mass on a regular basis. He often portrays Mormon and Catholic issues consistent with that change in belief.

 

[zerinus]

At times a poster can bait other posters. I believe that Zerinus has called out some catholic OP’s who have started mormon threads either pretending to be mormons or seeking advice about the lds church as an ‘investigator’ of that church.

I just found it suspcious that she would say ‘bow down to the pope’ and about only reading lds literature. It sounded like baiting. But maybe she is mormon.

Thank you why me; I entirely agree. This person is not LDS. He is the same person who has repeatedly posted here, masquerading as a Mormon or something, under various guises. There are always telltale signs in his posts that give it away. He does not know enough about Mormonism to be able to pose as a Mormon convincingly, and always says something that gives him away. For example, in addition to the one you had picked up, no Mormon parents would tell their children not to read non-Mormon books. On the contrary, Mormons have always been encouraged by their leaders to study and learn, and broaden their horizons. It is even in their theology. In the Doctrine and Covenants the Lord has repeatedly counselled Church members to study and learn:

D&C 25:

8 For he shall lay his hands upon thee, and thou shalt receive the Holy Ghost, and thy time shall be given to writing, and to learning much.

D&C 88:

118 And as all have not faith, seek ye diligently and teach one another words of wisdom; yea, seek ye out of the best books words of wisdom; seek learning, even by study and also by faith.

D&C 90:

15 And set in order the churches, and study and learn, and become acquainted with all good books, and with languages, tongues, and people.

D&C 109:

7 And as all have not faith, seek ye diligently and teach one another words of wisdom; yea, seek ye out of the best books words of wisdom, seek learning even by study and also by faith.

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14 And do thou grant, Holy Father, that all those who shall worship in this house may be taught words of wisdom out of the best books, and that they may seek learning even by study, and also by faith, as thou hast said from the dedicatory prayer of the Kirtland Temple].

Hence education and learning has always been part of the LDS psyche; which has been the guiding light behind such great LDS academic centres like BYU and its affiliated institutions in the US and even abroad. That is one reason why Mormons tend to punch above their weight; because as a group they tend to be better educated than the average in society. No Mormon would tell their children not to read non-Mormon books. Some religious sects might indeed do that. Typically, JWs are averse to any kind of education, and try to keep their members as ignorant as possible; and that is one of the things that is now leading to their rapid decline. Mormonism is just not like that.

Another telltale sign is that he does not try to defend his position. Several posters have challenged his (I say “his,” because I am convinced it is a he and not a she) position, or at least asked for a reasonable explanation; but he has refused to address them. That is because he can’t! He is not a Mormon; and he does not know enough about Mormonism to be able to defend the position that he has chosen to adopt.

This poster is obviously someone who suffers from a serious mental imbalance. He has a problem. He has a psychological or emotional problem, and he doesn’t know how to address it. He should seek advice from a professional. He needs help, basically, and he should look for it in a proper way. Starting these silly and pathetic threads are not going to be of any help to him.

zerinus

 

[dzheremi]

Does the “other tongues” bit include “Reformed Egyptian”, or just real languages?

 

[mercygate]

Okay I took time and read some Catholic stuff on the site today. I also was sent a link to errors in the book of Mormon which I read.

To answer someones question a while back I got a calling in the nursery teacher

Thanks for taking the trouble to look at our stuff!

Are you saying you “got a calling” as a nursery teacher? Would you share with us how that happened for you?

For example, I’m a pretty basic fish. I used to whine about how pitiful it was that Catholics were so badly schooled in their faith. One Sunday the Director of Religious Education announced after Mass that he needed teachers for 6th, 7th, and 8th grade religious ed. So I thought, “Mercy: are you going to complain or are you going to be part of the solution?” I signed up and have been teaching for 4 years. Would that be similar to your “getting a call?”

 

[zerinus]

Does the “other tongues” bit include “Reformed Egyptian”, or just real languages?

It looks like you might have the same problem as he does. You should arrange to meet, exchange notes, and help solve each other’s problems.

zerinus

 

[dzheremi]

I have a problem with things that are demonstratably false. “Reformed Egyptian” is just something I happen to focus on because of my profession.

 

[zerinus]

I have a problem with things that are demonstratably false. “Reformed Egyptian” is just something I happen to focus on because of my profession.

What is your profession?

zerinus

 

[dzheremi]

I am a linguist.

 

[zerinus]

I am a linguist.

So, what problem do you have with reformed Egyptian?

zerinus

 

[dzheremi]

It does not exist.

Believe me, if it did exist, I would want to know about it. This is in no way a religious conflict. Every linguist, no matter what their religious affliation, would be all over it. Unfortunately, the evidence is just not there. There is no such language as “Reformed Egyptian”, and there never has been.

 

[zerinus]

It does not exist.

Believe me, if it did exist, I would want to know about it. This is in no way a religious conflict. Every linguist, no matter what their religious affliation, would be all over it. Unfortunately, the evidence is just not there. There is no such language as “Reformed Egyptian”, and there never has been.

First of all, Reformed Egyptian is not a “language;” it is a script. It is a way of writing. The Nephite people spoke a dialect of Hebrew. Reformed Egyptian was a manner of writing that they had developed or adapted from the Egyptian script (Hieratic presumably) to write their Hebrew in a condensed form so that it could fit in a small amount of space. It was a form of shorthand for Hebrew, which they had developed from Egyptian. Secondly, just because something doesn’t exist now, it doesn’t mean that it has never existed. It is awfully arrogant to make such an assertion. The Nephites were a homogenous group of people who developed in isolation, and eventually disappeared in isolation; and you cannot possibly know that such a thing never existed among them. If you are a linguist, you should know that Egyptian writing has been the basis of many of the modern scripts of today, and the concept of a Reformed Egyptian is not such an absurd idea after all.

zerinus

 

[MelanieAnne]

Actually, it goes like this: Whyme is a once-upon-a-time born catholic who became mormon and now attends Mass on a regular basis. He often portrays Mormon and Catholic issues consistent with that change in belief.

Whyme, I’m sure you believe that. But you come across as a Mormon apologist and as someone who has rejected the Catholic faith.

 

[ROBIN97]

I can’t believe that anyone would join a religion that was based on a purloined novel. A religion that calls themselves Christian - then denies that Jesus is God. A religion that states that we will all become like God and own our own little planet.

Our part of town was usually haunted by JW’s. Never Mormons. Although we often seen them sailing down Douglas on their bikes. First they hit the East side (“Old Money”) then pedaled right past the Hood, out to canvas the West side of town. (“New Money”). Somehow, we kinda felt left out…

ROBIN
of the Wichita Hood

 

[dzheremi]

Oh, boy…do I really want to get into this? Again? Hmmm…

No, not really. I will stick to stating that no non-LDS linguist accepts the idea of “Reformed Egyptian”, either as a language or a script. The LSA doesn’t accept it, and neither do I.

I should be clear that it’s not that there is no link between the Egyptian and the Hebrew (any writing system of Hebrew will do), because there certainly is, via the Phoenician, but you must realize that virtually EVERY alphabet used in the entire world shares this heritage, from Latin to Ethiopic to Mongolian and every kind in between. So to just point out the obvious that Semitic-speaking people wrote in scripts resembling Egyptian heiroglyphs is not significant at all. So did later peoples, and to a limited extent so do people today ( script, descendant of the Phoenician).

This does not mean much for “Reformed Egyptian”. What we should really be looking at is the historical record of the times and places that the BoM describes as having made use of the Reformed Egyptian script. When we do that, we find that there is absolutely zero evidence of any such script. The “Caractors” document is absolutely ridiculous, and not evidence of anything other than your prophet’s rather lackluster doodles and. The Egyptian script was known during Joseph Smith’s time, and certainly later, and yet the examples brough forth of “Reformed Egyptian” by Harris and others have never been authenticated by anyone outside the LDS church. If it were really genetically related to Egyptian, even if it had been modified in some ways, linguists and Egyptologists would recognize that fact. They haven’t because…well, it’s not a fact.

Reformed Egyptian does not exist. Period. If some evidence comes up at some later date, by all means I would encourage the LDS or anyone to present it to experts in the concerned fields. No one would be more excited and eager to accept it upon its authentication than linguists, myself definitely included.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

To be honest, I have never been to a mormon meeting where the guys would wear hats during the meeting or the conference. It seems unmormonlike to me. And this makes this video very suspicious. Now I could be wrong but how do I know that this is an actual mormon meeting?

Maybe they are a different sect of Mormon than what you belong too?

Which is the “true” Mormon Church? The Church of Christ (Temple Lot) claims there was an apostasy from the “restored” Church. If the numbers are correct, I’d say it was a “great” apostasy.

Church of Christ -Temple Lot (Temple Lot, Independence, Missouri)- one early leader, Granville Hedrick, called Joseph Smith a “fallen prophet”. This group teaches that there has been apostasy from the restored gospel faith. This group was also involved in a lawsuit with the RLDS over ownership of the Temple Lot. By 1869 they purchased the original “temple lot” in Independence Missouri.

After the Succession Crisis which followed Joseph Smith’s murder in 1844, a number of competing hierarchies were organized that fall into the two main branches of the movement, sometimes called the “Prairie Saints” and the “Rocky Mountain Saints.”

Today, there are as many as 100 organizations claiming to be a part of the Latter Day Saint movement, most centered in Utah or Missouri. Most regard their own group, however small, to be the only legitimate Christian church. Most of these organizations are very small, but overall, but the second largest denomination, the Community of Christ, reports over 200,000 members.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (a.k.a. The Church of Jesus Christ, and the LDS) is by far the largest Mormon denomination. It is a continuation of the “Rocky Mountain Saint” branch of Mormonism.
The more liberal Community of Christ (formerly called the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) is second in size. It is a continuation of the “Prairie Saint” movement. Although generally referred to as “Mormons,” they do not use the term themselves, because of its association with polygamy and because they believe the name was not part of the original church.
Many additional small Mormon faith groups, including:
Aaronic Order: unknown membership; 6 centers; 20 ministers
Apostolic United Brethren: about 7,000 members. They disagree with the LDS’ decision to allow ordination of African-Americans and allowing women to assume leadership positions.
Church of Christ (Fetting/Bronson): about 2000 members
Church of Christ (Temple Lot): about 2400 members
**The Church of Christ “With The Elijah Message,” **established anew in 1929 12,500 members worldwide
Church of Jesus Christ (Bickertonite): about 2700 members
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: about 11 million members
The Community of Christ: about 250,000 members. This denomination was formerly known as the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints – the “RLDS Church”. It was formed in 1860 by remnants of the original church who did not make the trek to Utah. They reject certain beliefs and practices of the LDS church, including marriage sealing for eternity; they allow both men and women into the priesthood; their services are open to the public. They have about 250,000 members.
United Order Effort: a polygamy practicing group, excommunicated by the main LDS church, of perhaps 10,000 members
The Restoration Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. It split from the Reorganized Church in 1991 because of the latter’s liberal theology. It is centered in Independence, Missouri, and had an estimated membership of 2,500 in mid-1996. They publish a periodical “The Restoration Advocate” six times a year.


May the peace of the Lord be with you,
Prodigal Son1

 

[zaffiroborant]

Actually, it goes like this: Whyme is a once-upon-a-time born catholic who became mormon and now attends Mass on a regular basis. He often portrays Mormon and Catholic issues consistent with that change in belief.

Well if that were the case we would see some aligning with Catholic beliefs. I have yet to see any, for the most part all I see from you is a constant comparison between LDS and Catholics. And invariably the Catholics are portrayed unfavorably at best or like this thread blatantly portrayed as devious. LDS on the other hand are always praised for their wonderful qualities.

Frankly I feel the scenario you describe for the OP applies to you.