Who gets arrested for going home visiting from college billsherman?Keep in mind, many of these students can’t go home because of closed borders - in that case they will be arrested and placed in detention (prison).
If the students can’t leave the US because of travel bans, they will be arrested and deported. Since they can’t be physically deported until travel bans are lifted, they will rot in prison until the bans are lifted. They will also, obviously, lose their ability to study in the US.Who gets arrested for going home visiting from college billsherman?
Students on visas are immigrants under US law. They are also foreigners in the US who God commands us to treat the same as native born Americans.I thought we were discussing student visas, not immigrants.
I went to the link you provided and saw absolutely nothing of the sort.they will rot in prison until the bans are lifted.
Not if it is histrionic it’s not.Your claim of hysterics is uncharitable, and just plain unkind. On a Catholic site, love of the neighbor must be central to all that we do.
Bold added for emphasis.I think your source on this is wrong and hysterical.
If they can. You are missing the part about the travel bans. There are many of them in place (from both the US and other nations). If a student CAN’T go home, the penalty is prison.They go back home and wait it out there.
The relevant section:
“Active students currently in the United States enrolled in such programs must depart the country or take other measures, such as transferring to a school with in-person instruction to remain in lawful status. If not, they may face immigration consequences including, but not limited to, the initiation of removal proceedings.”
This sounds somewhat innocent, but if you know ICE’s language you get it. There is only one “immigration consequence” - deportation (there isn’t anything else they can do to you). ICE’s policy under Trump is to arrest and detain in prison all people in deportation proceedings.
And you can let me know all the students jailed. Then let us know how many jailings were accomplished.And how do they go back home bearing in mind travel bans in their home nations and your own? Let us know how this is going to be accomplished.
I’m still waiting to see all these jailing that now you are talking about.I take that to mean you have no answer and are deflecting.
I am still waiting for that list of jailings (name removed by moderator).There may or may not be. ‘We both know it’ is one of those annoying phrases such as ‘even the dogs in the street know that’.
Given apparently foreign students contribute a huge amount of cash to the system there it seems stupid
Maybe they would do better financially if they just bailed all those students out of jail?I wonder how much trouble US universities would be in.
You explained nothing.As I explained in my previous post . .
It is a question of law. If they cannot fulfill the requirements of the visa, why should they be allowed to continue to have one?They are also foreigners in the US who God commands us to treat the same as native born Americans.
Ummm…that’s because the policy went into effect YESTERDAY. Students will probably be given 30 days to leave once their schools go online. If they don’t (or can’t comply) they will have to report to ICE. ICE will then arrest them and initiate deportation proceedings. This will play out over the next few months, not instantaneously.Looks like you are “bailing out” of providing “us” with that list of all those students jailed for going home from college (name removed by moderator).
And that law (or rule in this case) is immoral, and must be opposed by Catholics because it violates God’s commands.It is a question of law.
This has been addressed in several ways above, but to summarize:If they cannot fulfill the requirements of the visa, why should they be allowed to continue to have one?
What exactly makes it immoral?And that law (or rule in this case) is immoral, and must be opposed by Catholics because it violates God’s commands.
No way to know that.This is a temporary problem.
That is a problem. Perhaps ICE needs to work with the government officials in the other countries to facilitate moving these students back.Compliance might be impossible (travel bans)
That is irrelevant.It is beyond any student’s control
Hightened based upon a pandemic on the loose?Students have already been awarded the visas based on heightened requirements (including proving to the US’s satisfaction that they have the finances to support themselves).
This is unproven.Students will suffer great harm.
No other purpose that you can fathom.This policy serves no purpose other than to get rid of more immigrants.
You think the pandemic is going to be permanent? It’s not. This too shall pass.No way to know that.
ICE doesn’t work that way. You might mean the State Department. A decent number of travel bans are imposed by the same administration that imposed this policy though. I suspect that means they don’t care if the students are capable of complying. This administration has been all too happy to lock up immigrants before, I see no reason to think they aren’t itching to do it again.Perhaps ICE needs to work with the government officials in the other countries to facilitate moving these students back.
Not if you are a Christian and motivated by God’s command to love the immigrant as yourself.That is irrelevant.
In part. Also based on provisions added since 9/11, and additional hurdles added by the Trump and Obama Administrations prior to this one. It has never been harder or more expensive to get a student visa to study here.Hightened based upon a pandemic on the loose?
You think putting someone in prison wouldn’t harm them? Or deporting them would cause no harm?This is unproven.
I, too, would like to have you explain them to me. Pandemic concerns? Well if they can’t go home, how could prison be a safer place to be than a dorm or an apartment?I, however, see other purposes.