If you could, what changes if any would you make to the Ordinary Form?

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That, of course, would be a tragedy… as we do not need more priests in irregular situation that exercise no legitimate ministry in the Church
 
Peeps said:
So I would establish once and for all that musical preludes and postludes ARE appropriate and welcome in the OF, and tell everyone that if they want silence, to come early before the prelude is played, and to stay late after the postlude is played.
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I wouldn’t have a problem with preludes and postludes as long as they were just instrumental and not vocal. That would still allow prayer.

It isn’t always that easy for people to come early or stay late. At my parish, in my small town where people all know each other and like to visit, I could stay for over an hour waiting for silence and probably wouldn’t get it, so the silence before Mass is very precious but as I said I wouldn’t mind an instrumental prelude. It can be very beautiful and meditative.
 
In my church there is less talking before mass when there is a prelude.
 
Nothing personal and not to be rude but all of us who love the TLM are glad you are not making that decision and are glad we are seeing a return of the traditions of the Church.
 
Augustinian said:
Just because there were more priests and nuns when Latin Mass was the only Mass- doesn’t mean that was the cause for it. Correlation doesn’t necessarily mean causation- the world is a lot different now than it was in the mid 1960’s in many different ways- not just the language Mass is said.

Frequent reception of Sacraments has actually increased since the 1960’s. In 2018, virtually every one in attendance at Mass receives communion. That was definitely not the case, not even close in the mid 60’s.
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Dear friend, our Catechism teaches contrary to your 1st point:

1074 “The liturgy is the summit toward which the activity of the Church is directed; it is also the font from which all her power flows.” It is therefore the privileged place for catechizing the People of God. “Catechesis is intrinsically linked with the whole of liturgical and sacramental activity, for it is in the sacraments, especially in the Eucharist, that Christ Jesus works in fullness for the transformation of men.”

Indeed the WORLD is “a lot different now”
Legalized Abortions {that is murder and against the 5th Commandment}
Legalized GAY unions we are to lawfully term marriages {Violating the Jesus Instituted Sacrament of Marriage}

A reportedly 80%-90% of married Catholics using contraceptives also against the 5th Commandment

Catholic Divorce rate above 50% {hmmm, what was it in the 50’s and 60"s?}

Sunday Mass attendance at 25% or less among self professed “Catholics” {in the 50’s and 60’s t was around 75%}

Sacrament of Confession used by MAYBE 10% of self proclaimed Catholics {YET AS YOU NOTE NEARLY 100%OF MASS ATTENDEES STILL RECEIVE HOLY COMMUNION {Worthily???}

Were you around in the 60’s?.…I graduated HS in 1963; Seems to me that most if NOT all attendees DID receive Holy Communion[ {at least those able to keep the 12 hr FAST did; as it was REALLY understood that it IS Jesus Christ in Person that we receive.}

I do appreciate your enthusiastic response.

May Jesus Guide our life paths,
Patrick
 
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Well, that’s good to hear! I’ll keep playing preludes and postludes on the Sundays when it is allowed by the Church rubrics (i.e., not during Lent or Advent).

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UltimateChikorita said:
Holding hands during the Our Father came from Protestant Charismatic heretics. It infiltrated the Church via Charismatic Catholics. It isn’t Vatican approved. It’s liturgical abuse.
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Really?

Holding hands during the Our Father is something done during AA meetings, how do you know it came from Protestant charismatics?
 
The immediate removal of the “Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion”; they serve to do nothing except diminish the already dwindling belief in the Real Presence.

Ending communion in the hand.
 
Regardless of where it came from, holding hands is not proper for the Our Father. Worse is when anyone other than the priest prays in the orans posture (hands held up in the air). This position is reserved exclusively to the priest. Deacons should not be doing it, lay Catholics should not be doing it. It actually counts as liturgical abuse since it directly contradicts the GIRM.
 
Galatians6-17 said:
The immediate removal of the “Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion”; they serve to do nothing except diminish the already dwindling belief in the Real Presence.

Ending communion in the hand.
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And now communion takes a full hour or more, because 90% of the congregation takes communion and it’s under both species.
 
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Galatians6-17 said:
The immediate removal of the “Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion”; they serve to do nothing
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How would you suggest that the church employ these groups of volunteers instead? A lot of them would be lost without a function. Further, a lot of EMHC’s got their start as altar servers, moving on up to be readers before moving to the EMHC role. It would be really disrupting just to tell them to stand down
 
What a load of bull!

Don’t like EMHC, receicve from a priest, but do not blame me and the countless others who participate in this ministry for undermining the Church.
We are needed in most cases and those are not during Mass. We have about 100 people in my parish who are home bound, without EMHC, they would never receive the Eucharist. Is that what you want?
Kind of selfish isn’t it?
 
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deMontfort said:
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Galatians6-17:
The immediate removal of the “Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion”; they serve to do nothing except diminish the already dwindling belief in the Real Presence.

Ending communion in the hand.
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And now communion takes a full hour or more, because 90% of the congregation takes communion and it’s under both species.
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The following will help with this problem:
-Eliminate the cup.
-Use altar rail. The line goes much quicker at the rail.
-If parish has 2 or more priests, both should be at every Mass distributing.
-If parish has a deacon, he should be helping before any lay people are used.
-Accept that if communion takes 15 minutes or so, it’s ok. Gives people time to pray before or after, for which there isn’t enough time right now anyway.

This may not completely eliminate the need for EMHCs in every parish, but it will take care of a large portion.

Consider why we have a shortage of priests in the first place. Perhaps the casual approach to Mass and Eucharist in many, many parishes today has something to do with it.
 
Augustinian said:
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Galatians6-17:
The immediate removal of the “Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion”; they serve to do nothing
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How would you suggest that the church employ these groups of volunteers instead? A lot of them would be lost without a function. Further, a lot of EMHC’s got their start as altar servers, moving on up to be readers before moving to the EMHC role. It would be really disrupting just to tell them to stand down
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The Church doesn’t owe these people a “job”. The Mass is not about them. They make themselves available if there is a need. If they feel in any way entitled to their position, that’s the wrong mentality.
 
Galatians6-17 said:
Ending communion in the hand.
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A lot of people have really only received communion in the hand, this kind of procedure would confusing or even disturbing to many, many Catholics.

I don’t think that confusing the people like this is necessarily a great idea.
 
Communion takes 15+ minute NOW with a priest, a deacon, and six EMHCs (4 body, 4 blood). There’s between 200 and 300 people taking communion.
 
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