"If you died right now, are you 100% sure you would go to Heaven? (St. Paul wasn't)

[mgrfin]

Hi mgrfin

I agree God will not deny you that is why I am 100% sure that if I remain faithful to God, He will not deny me just like I quoted from you.

I agree, God realizes that Satan is hard at work and therefore will not grant eternal life to those who have never believed or to those who believed and then either walked away or never practiced their faith in Him.

I believe God is letting me know that if I have sin on my soul at the time af death I can not enter heaven.
I believe that He realizes in my walk of life with Him, I will still give in to the temptations of Satan and sin.

I never understood that. Where in the bible does it mention mortal and venial sin.?

To God, a murderer is just as guilty as someone stealing a candy bar at the supermarket. Man weighs sin in the court of law, to God all sins have equal weight. According to the bible nobody with any type of sin can reighn with God in heaven.

I believe that God will forgive sins only when the sinner gives a personal repentance and confession to Him. I can pray to God all I want for your forgiveness and God will not forgive you unless you make a personal confession to Him.

If and when we sin, I see Jesus as God’s provision to forgive us of our sin when we sincerely confess and repent to Him.

So…at the time when I am on my “death bed”, and in my last breath, I sincerely confess and repent my sin, I’ll be looking forward to celebrating and worshipping my Lord and Saviour for eternity in heaven.

That I believe is God’s word to me and to you.

Thanks for your reply

continued next post…

If you are faithful to the end, God will reward you. The question is “what guarantee do you have you will be faithful to the end?” None, so salvation, OSAS, is not guaranteed.

You are saying that murder and stealing a candy bar are the same in God’s eyes. Both merit eternal damnation? Are you serious? No wonder you fear hell. God is that unjust?

No wonder the world doesn’t believe in hell, that you go there for the slightest imperfection, according to you.

As a Catholic, I accept the teaching Magisterium of the Church. You know, the Unwritten Word of God, and the Written Word of God. You think the early Christians had a deeply developed theology, where they distinguished between ‘mortal’ sin and ‘venial sin’. Of course not. But they understood ‘sin which is unto death’ and ‘sin not to death’

1 John 5: 16-17 “He that knoweth his brother to sin a sin which is not to death, let him ask, and life shall be given to him, who sinneth not to death. There is a sin to death: for that I may not that any man ask”.

I am using Douay Rheims.

You want a Scripture: 1 John 5:16-17:

As for the quote from the “Hail Mary”. We are praying: “Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now, and at the hour of our death. Amen”.

It is not necessarily a prayer for forigiveness. It is asking Mary’s help, and that we receive the grace to the end to remain faithful to the end.

peace

 

[mgrfin]

whatisthetruth:
The Trinity is not a mystery? You believe that by saying that the Holy Spirit lives in your heart, you understand the Trinity?

Okay. How are there three Persons in One God. How can there only be 1 God, but three Persons.

The Jews didn’t believe in the Trinity, and they had the original revelation. Where in the Old Testament is there mention of the Trinity? Where in the New Testament is there mention of the Trinity?

One of the earliest heresies in the Catholic Church was related to the Trinity. The Council of Nicea in 325 AD gave us the Nicene Creed.

The Holy Spirit inspired the authors of the New and Old Testaments. And who preserved those books, and who handed them down, and who interpreted them? And who gave you the Canon of the Bible. It was the Catholic Church.

You confuse “Revelation”, the book, which we Catholics call the Apocalypse of St. John the Apostle.

No, by Revelation, I mean the Word of God as revealed in Scripture, and the Unwritten word of God, also revealed, by the Apostles to the early Church. You accept only the Written Word. We have those books purely by accident. Maybe there were more, but have been lost. The Council of Trent happened in the 16th century; St. John died before the turn of the First century.

OSAS? I thought every Protestant knew that. It is a Protestant theology which says Jesus saved us once for all. No sin is going to separate us from God; God is true to his Word, and we merit justification permanently by Faith Alone. Only a sin of disbelief will separate us from God. This is what the Reformers taught in the 16th century.

Faith Alone and OSAS was condemned by the Council of Trent. Apparently not all Protestants nowadays accept Faith Alone, and OSAS anymore. That is why we have 13,000 brands of Christian faith, each believing something different.

But that is why Jesus Christ founded his infallible Church, to be with it until the end of time.
Read:
Mt 18:15-17
Lk 10:16
2 Thess 3:14-15
1 Tim 3:14-15
1 Tim 4:11-16
1 Pet 4:17

Finally, lets get this discussion back on thread before the Forum Administrator closes it.

peace

Peace.

 

[whatisthetruth]

The question is “what guarantee do you have you will be faithful to the end?” None, so salvation, OSAS, is not guaranteed.

I agree on that part

If you are faithful to the end, God will reward you.

This Is what I am referring to when I say God’s promise is guaranteed, He WILL NOT break His promise to the faithful in Him according to his word

Agree>???

So when you said

At the moment of your death, the devil will seek to grab your soul for himself.

Let me ask again so I understand, if I am faithful in God’s eyes on my death bed and while I still have a chance, I say one final sincere prayer to God of confession and repentance…

Do you believe God will forgive me of all my sin?

yes________ no________

if no why?

If yes, then upon my death, and after God had just forgiven me, do you believe Satan can still claim my soul based on your comment I just quoted?

yes_____ no______

If yes, please explain

Do you believe it is God’s intent, just to give us a hope and not a promise we make it…if we remain faithful to Him according to His word?

yes___ no______

Or

Upon seeing those children who remain faithful and live according to His word, His promise then can be fulfilled by grant His faithful chidren eternal life in heaven?
yes___ no____

The question is “what guarantee do you have you will be faithful to the end?” None, so salvation, OSAS, is not guaranteed.

That agree on. I agree on that Thre are people who do not remain faithful

You are saying that murder and stealing a candy bar are the same in God’s eyes. Both merit eternal damnation? Are you serious?

Absolutely

God is that unjust?

God is not unjust…World laws are different from God’s laws.
World laws have different penalties for different crimes

However,

Thou shall not steal…Thou shall not murder are two of God’s ten commandments.
commit either one is a sin.
anyone with sin goes to hell.

No wonder the world doesn’t believe in hell, that you go there for the slightest imperfection, according to you.

please, not according to me, It is what the word says.

So are you serious in suggesting that I can steal a candy bar and not worry about going to hell?
Show me in the bible where God puts different weight on sin.

1 John 5: 16-17 “He that knoweth his brother to sin a sin which is not to death, let him ask, and life shall be given to him, who sinneth not to death. There is a sin to death: for that I may not that any man ask”.

If you see me in the act of sinning, if you care for me you will encourage me to pray for my forgiveness,

However if you see me murder someone which lead to my death…someone murdered me, I would have no chance of praying for forgiveness.

While we are in 1John

How are there three Persons in One God. How can there only be 1God, but three Persons.

1 John 5:7 King James
So there are three witnesses in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are One

The word is Jesus

Also from 1John

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life." 1John 5:13

Finally, lets get this discussion back on thread before the Forum Administrator closes it.

I believe everything we discussed plays an important factor in one believing in 100% salvation. I would hope the Administrator would give a warning before shutting it down

Thanks

truth

 

[mgrfin]

So when you said

Let me ask again so I understand, if I am faithful in God’s eyes on my death bed and while I still have a chance, I say one final sincere prayer to God of confession and repentance…

Do you believe God will forgive me of all my sin?

RESPONSE:
yes, probably

If yes, then upon my death, and after God had just forgiven me, do you believe Satan can still claim my soul based on your comment I just quoted?

RESPONSE:
probably no

Do you believe it is God’s intent, just to give us a hope and not a promise we make it…if we remain faithful to Him according to His word?

RESPONSE:
no

Upon seeing those children who remain faithful and live according to His word, His promise then can be fulfilled by grant His faithful chidren eternal life in heaven?
RESPONSE:
probably yes

RESPONSE:
You are saying that murder and stealing a candy bar are the same in God’s eyes. Both merit eternal damnation? To say so, is to believe in some maddened God-head, deserving of belief by some pre-historic man. This God who would punish this way would not be the God of the Old and New Covenant.

RESPONSE:
If your God is that unjust, and that is unjust, I don’t want any part of him. So after saying that, now you know how serious I am about God’s Goodness and Justice.

God is not unjust…World laws are different from God’s laws.
World laws have different penalties for different crimes

RESPONSE:
That is nonesense. That is why you need a Church to lead you and guide you.

Thou shall not steal…Thou shall not murder are two of God’s ten commandments.
commit either one is a sin.
anyone with sin goes to hell.

RESPONSE:
No, any one with unforgiven serious sin will not go to heaven

RESPONSE:
If I kill in war, is that murder? How do you define murder?

RESPONSE:
If my family is starving, and I steal a loaf of bread, is that a sin? Is it worthy of hell? Absolutely not!
please, not according to me, It is what the word says.

So are you serious in suggesting that I can steal a candy bar and not worry about going to hell?

RESPONSE:
Yes, it is not grevious, according to 1Jn, and according to the teaching authority of Christ’s Church.

If you see me in the act of sinning, if you care for me you will encourage me to pray for my forgiveness?

RESPONSE:
I would encourage you not to commit the sin, as a matter of fact I am obliged to encourage you not to.

RESPONSE:
You misquotted: It is 1JOhn 5:7 The word witnesses do not they are three divine persons in one God. Abraham, Moses, and Isaac are also witnesses in heaven.

RESPONSE:
What we are discussing is off topic. I have sounded the alert, and the Administrator can now close the thread at will. Funny you believe in human justice, but not Divine.

peace

 

[mgrfin]

The Trinity is not a mystery? You believe that by saying that the Holy Spirit lives in your heart, you understand the Trinity?

Okay. How are there three Persons in One God. How can there only be 1 God, but three Persons.

The Jews didn’t believe in the Trinity, and they had the original revelation. Where in the Old Testament is there mention of the Trinity? Where in the New Testament is there mention of the Trinity?

One of the earliest heresies in the Catholic Church was related to the Trinity. The Council of Nicea in 325 AD gave us the Nicene Creed.

The Holy Spirit inspired the authors of the New and Old Testaments. And who preserved those books, and who handed them down, and who interpreted them? And who gave you the Canon of the Bible. It was the Catholic Church.

You confuse “Revelation”, the book, which we Catholics call the Apocalypse of St. John the Apostle.

No, by Revelation, I mean the Word of God as revealed in Scripture, and the Unwritten word of God, also revealed, by the Apostles to the early Church. You accept only the Written Word. We have those books purely by accident. Maybe there were more, but have been lost. The Council of Trent happened in the 16th century; St. John died before the turn of the First century.

OSAS? I thought every Protestant knew that. It is a Protestant theology which says Jesus saved us once for all. No sin is going to separate us from God; God is true to his Word, and we merit justification permanently by Faith Alone. Only a sin of disbelief will separate us from God. This is what the Reformers taught in the 16th century.

Faith Alone and OSAS was condemned by the Council of Trent. Apparently not all Protestants nowadays accept Faith Alone, and OSAS anymore. That is why we have 13,000 brands of Christian faith, each believing something different.

But that is why Jesus Christ founded his infallible Church, to be with it until the end of time.
Read:
Mt 18:15-17
Lk 10:16
2 Thess 3:14-15
1 Tim 3:14-15
1 Tim 4:11-16
1 Pet 4:17

Finally, lets get this discussion back on thread before the Forum Administrator closes it.

peace

Peace.

Pilgrim,

I don’t see any reason to continue this discussion. I quote you Scripture regarding venial sin and grevious, mortal sin, from 1 John and you totally ignore me. And run on with more Scripture. If you can’t answer the Scripture quoted, say so.

I quoted you a list of Scriptures relating to Jesus founding his infallible Church, and you totally ignore them.

You want to hear yourself preach. I am not interested in listening to your preaching. If you wanted to debate, then debate, but please don’t run on from topic to topic, ignoring what I have said.

You are typical of the non-Catholics in my experience on this site: they seem to have a mission to convert Catholics.

Trying to convert me to your notion of an unjust God is not something I’m interested in.

Your god seems to be a trickster, not the One who sent his Only Begotten Son to save mankind.

If you want to continue, pick up my scripture quotes and respond, please.

Thank you.

peace

 

[rinnie]

I know i should keep out of this and this is going to be a big mistake, BUT. The bottom line is this. Jesus left the church to Peter. Peter was the first pope. It was under the authority of Jesus Christ himself. Now Peter received the Holy Spirit at the last supper. The bible is not what we should live by alone. The bible was written by the Catholic Church. It is by the Church that we are to live. The Catholic Church. We are not to teach the bible to others thats the Popes job. That is why we go to church. Thats why we are catholics. People can quote and quote scripture all the want. But they have to know what it means. Thats why we have priests, popes, etc. They have received the Holy Spirit handed down from Peter to teach us. Thats is all in the bible. Thats is why before Jesus was crucified that he taught in parables. We cant understand it. We arent supposed to we are to study and learn.

 

[mgrfin]

I know i should keep out of this and this is going to be a big mistake, BUT. The bottom line is this. Jesus left the church to Peter. Peter was the first pope. It was under the authority of Jesus Christ himself. Now Peter received the Holy Spirit at the last supper. The bible is not what we should live by alone. The bible was written by the Catholic Church. It is by the Church that we are to live. The Catholic Church. We are not to teach the bible to others thats the Popes job. That is why we go to church. Thats why we are catholics. People can quote and quote scripture all the want. But they have to know what it means. Thats why we have priests, popes, etc. They have received the Holy Spirit handed down from Peter to teach us. Thats is all in the bible. Thats is why before Jesus was crucified that he taught in parables. We cant understand it. We arent supposed to we are to study and learn.

I know you are trying to be helpful, but I think you overstepped the issue. Or, stepped in ‘it’.

The Bible was NOT written by the Catholic Church. The Old Testament precedes the founding of the Church, on Pentecost Sunday, around 33 A.D.

The New Testament books, Gospels, Epistles, and Book of the Apocalypse, were written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, by various authors, most of whom were Apostles and disciples of Christ. Luke and Mark were of the Twelve.

What have you got against teaching the Bible? It is not that difficult and its only the infallible interpretation of faith and morals issues that is left up to the Holy Father. But, just as we can teach others about revealed matters, we can teach the bible and its meaning to others. We are just not to teach in contradiction to what is the Church teaches, but we are, and can teach.

What you have said is a scandal to non-Catholics. They take what you have said and run with it. You confirm their worst suspicions about us. That we are not bible oriented; of course, we are.

What do you mean that we don’t understand it? Of course we can and do.

We are encouraged to read the Bible. If we don’t understand it, why are we encouraged to read it? We can and should read it, teach it to our children, and if we get educated in the Scriptures, whether formally, or informally, we should teach others.

It is the most published book in the universe. Get yourself a copy, and delve into it - everyone.

peace

 

[rinnie]

I know you are trying to be helpful, but I think you overstepped the issue. Or, stepped in ‘it’.

The Bible was NOT written by the Catholic Church. The Old Testament precedes the founding of the Church, on Pentecost Sunday, around 33 A.D.

The New Testament books, Gospels, Epistles, and Book of the Apocalypse, were written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, by various authors, most of whom were Apostles and disciples of Christ. Luke and Mark were of the Twelve.

What have you got against teaching the Bible? It is not that difficult and its only the infallible interpretation of faith and morals issues that is left up to the Holy Father. But, just as we can teach others about revealed matters, we can teach the bible and its meaning to others. We are just not to teach in contradiction to what is the Church teaches, but we are, and can teach.

What you have said is a scandal to non-Catholics. They take what you have said and run with it. You confirm their worst suspicions about us. That we are not bible oriented; of course, we are.

What do you mean that we don’t understand it? Of course we can and do.

We are encouraged to read the Bible. If we don’t understand it, why are we encouraged to read it? We can and should read it, teach it to our children, and if we get educated in the Scriptures, whether formally, or informally, we should teach others.

It is the most published book in the universe. Get yourself a copy, and delve into it - everyone.

peace

I stand to be corrected my last sentence should have been we are to study and learn. But I was taught that we are not supposed to interpert it that is for the Pope and the Church to teach us, Because if we take it upon ourselves to do that we would all have our own version. Thats why so many people argue over scripture. It is thru the Holy Spirit that it is revealed. And that is why Jesus left the church to Peter.

 

[rinnie]

Also there is much that is not revealed in scripture. It will be revealed when God wants it to be. I believe all should study and read the bible. I do it every day. But reading the bible and understanding it are 2 very different things. Thats just what i was taught. Thats why when we go to church every sunday and the priest reads the scripture then he explains its to us. Its actually bible study in a way.

 

[mgrfin]

I stand to be corrected my last sentence should have been we are to study and learn. But I was taught that we are not supposed to interpert it that is for the Pope and the Church to teach us, Because if we take it upon ourselves to do that we would all have our own version. Thats why so many people argue over scripture. It is thru the Holy Spirit that it is revealed. And that is why Jesus left the church to Peter.

Correction to my post: Luke and Mark were NOT Apostles.

Well, the people I meet who argue over Scripture are our non-Catholic brethren, many of whom are on this site.

The only source of authority for their understanding of Christianity is the Bible. They don’t have the infallible Church founded by Christ.

So, for example, if we are trying to educate them to our understanding of the Sacrament of Penance, we can quote Scripture to them as proof. Yet, they ignore what you say entirely, and move on to some Scripture which is not even relevant. They leave me scratching my head how they come up with this stuff. Well, they have to, otherwise they are being lead to where they don’t want to go.

Our own ‘version’ or ‘interpretation’ is fine, so long as it doesn’t contradict what we already know is the teaching of our Faith.

peace

 

[rinnie]

Correction to my post: Luke and Mark were NOT Apostles.

Well, the people I meet who argue over Scripture are our non-Catholic brethren, many of whom are on this site.

The only source of authority for their understanding of Christianity is the Bible. They don’t have the infallible Church founded by Christ.

So, for example, if we are trying to educate them to our understanding of the Sacrament of Penance, we can quote Scripture to them as proof. Yet, they ignore what you say entirely, and move on to some Scripture which is not even relevant. They leave me scratching my head how they come up with this stuff. Well, they have to, otherwise they are being lead to where they don’t want to go.

Our own ‘version’ or ‘interpretation’ is fine, so long as it doesn’t contradict what we already know is the teaching of our Faith.

peace

Ok we are on the same page. I know what you mean I have a cousin who is a Born Again Christian. I never say anything about her religion its none of my business. Then she will ask me a question about mine and then argue with me. I cant understand how they can read things in black and white and argue. Oh well. The reason catholics dont argue we do correct eachother at times but the thing is we have authority. Lets say you and i disagree on something . Now there are other catholics who have had more study that can help us. Then we all agree. You know what i mean. we can be wrong and say ok thats true. And yes none of us are always right or our point got out of hand, you know what i mean. But people ask and we bust our butt to help because God wants us to teach and then they argue. Then you wonder is that what they wanted all along. Oh well we try. God Bless you and all on this thread and have a wonderful Holiday Season.

 

[GOP]

Greetings GOP! So what does “constructionist” mean? I’ve never heard that before?

God Bless,
Michael

One who takes the word for what it means from the writer.

 

[whatisthetruth]

Hi all,

I wanted to let you all know that I am wrong for coming to this site and sending a “I am right you are wrong” message.

I ask you to forgive me if I have said anything that may ave caused hurt feelings.

I will no longer be posting on this thread. It is obvious that we see God’s will through different “lenses”

We can debate our viewpoints and beliefs from know until whenever and nothing will change.

Quite frankly, I realize debating here is just like a chess match which ends in a stalemate. A lot of time and effort and the end result is no different from where the game started.

Having said that. I believe the answer lies within Jesus and what His will is.

I believe in order to settle a debate…Jesus, (the mediator), would encourage us first to see our similiarities and not our differences. I do not see any other better way to accompish God’s will for us and that is to have a one united church body in Jesus’ name.

That is why I started a “tired of debating lets agree on Jesus” thread. In that thread, Mark A was an example of let us first see our similiarities.

In closing thank you all for your feedback. It has been a wonderful learning experience about why everyone believes in the way they do.

I believe each and everyone of you are a champion in God’s eyes.

My prayer is that the champion which God designed in you may be realized one day as God works His miracles in your lives.

God bless you all,

truth

 

[mgrfin]

Hi all,

I wanted to let you all know that I am wrong for coming to this site and sending a “I am right you are wrong” message.

I ask you to forgive me if I have said anything that may ave caused hurt feelings.

I will no longer be posting on this thread. It is obvious that we see God’s will through different “lenses”

We can debate our viewpoints and beliefs from know until whenever and nothing will change.

Quite frankly, I realize debating here is just like a chess match which ends in a stalemate. A lot of time and effort and the end result is no different from where the game started.

Having said that. I believe the answer lies within Jesus and what His will is.

I believe in order to settle a debate…Jesus, (the mediator), would encourage us first to see our similiarities and not our differences. I do not see any other better way to accompish God’s will for us and that is to have a one united church body in Jesus’ name.

That is why I started a “tired of debating lets agree on Jesus” thread. In that thread, Mark A was an example of let us first see our similiarities.

In closing thank you all for your feedback. It has been a wonderful learning experience about why everyone believes in the way they do.

I believe each and everyone of you are a champion in God’s eyes.

My prayer is that the champion which God designed in you may be realized one day as God works His miracles in your lives.

God bless you all,

truth

Not exactly. A lot of ‘bible believing Christians’ come to this site to convert Roman Catholics, and after a while they begin to see that their faith in “Sola Scriptura” is not enough, that Jesus ought to have left a Church, with the Holy Spirit to protect it from error.

After a while, many of these Christians who come here to convert, themselves are converted.

We pray that you receive the gift of the true faith.

peace

 

[sabbatarian]

The Bible makes it PLAIN that there is no memory at death! The dead do not know anything (Eccl) and no one has ascended to heaven at anytime! You and I will await the final resurrection to judgment! In death your soul sleeps!

 

[rinnie]

Hi all,

I wanted to let you all know that I am wrong for coming to this site and sending a “I am right you are wrong” message.

I ask you to forgive me if I have said anything that may ave caused hurt feelings.

I will no longer be posting on this thread. It is obvious that we see God’s will through different “lenses”

We can debate our viewpoints and beliefs from know until whenever and nothing will change.

Quite frankly, I realize debating here is just like a chess match which ends in a stalemate. A lot of time and effort and the end result is no different from where the game started.

Having said that. I believe the answer lies within Jesus and what His will is.

I believe in order to settle a debate…Jesus, (the mediator), would encourage us first to see our similiarities and not our differences. I do not see any other better way to accompish God’s will for us and that is to have a one united church body in Jesus’ name.

That is why I started a “tired of debating lets agree on Jesus” thread. In that thread, Mark A was an example of let us first see our similiarities.

In closing thank you all for your feedback. It has been a wonderful learning experience about why everyone believes in the way they do.

I believe each and everyone of you are a champion in God’s eyes.

My prayer is that the champion which God designed in you may be realized one day as God works His miracles in your lives.

God bless you all,

truth

 

[c659smith]

Sabbatarian,

I don’t know what bible you are reading but My soul when I die will not be asleep. I will be fighting for those pearly gates. I will beg for Jesus’s mercy not judgement for if I was judged I would surely be cast into hell.

Jesus died on the cross so we could go today to heaven if once our robes have been laundered white.

The old testament blocked the gates of heaven due to Original sin and the Jewish sacrafices still did not repair the rift between God and Man after the sin of Adam and Eve.

This occurred when Jesus died on the cross and became the perfect lamb. (sacrafice)
taking our sins upon himself.

Jesus then decended into hell to free souls and resurrected on the 3rd day and ascended into heaven.

There will be a judgement day.

Our bodies will once again become one with our souls and the sheep and the goats will be seperated.

By that time the decision has already been cast for most except for those still alive.

 

[mgrfin]

The Bible makes it PLAIN that there is no memory at death! The dead do not know anything (Eccl) and no one has ascended to heaven at anytime! You and I will await the final resurrection to judgment! In death your soul sleeps!

Oh yeah? How about the Assumption of Mary, the Mother of God.

The dead don’t know anything? How about knowing God. You got a better Scriptural quote than that. If you believe Eccl about this, I can’t understand why you don’t accept New Testament scripture regarding such important things as the Eucharist.

"The Bible makes it PLAIN’…please! Spare us!

Where do you get this 'my soul sleeps in death…? After death, I expect my soul to go to heaven, and have the Beatific Vision. In the Beatific Vision, I expect to know lots, lots more than I know now. At the final Resurrection, my body will then be re-united to my soul.

peace

 

[c659smith]

Rinnie

Are you Jewish as I could understand what and why you are saying then.

You would be almost correct with OT teachings but there was a couple of prophets that did go to heaven and one on a chariot of fire.

If you are Jewish come back often and envite us to any sites you have in the Hebrew Faith.

It will probably surprise you how much Catholics know about the Old Testament.

 

[rinnie]

Hey are you talking to me. No im a born at birth Catholic. You may have got confused because i was going to answer a couple threads ago and then thought better of it. Sorry about that. Didnt mean to push reply. Anyway i wasnt the last script.