"If you died right now, are you 100% sure you would go to Heaven? (St. Paul wasn't)

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As a Catholic, I agree 100% with the passages you quoted. Not necessarily your interpretation of them. You could be wrong, correct? So do you agree that Jesus, James, Peter, Paul or anyone in Scripture never asked someone else the question, “If you were to die tonight do you have absolute assurance that you will go to Heaven?” This is some sort of made up salvation test that is nowhere found in the Bible…it is a man–made invention.
Spot on. Some how some way they omit James. All the time and never seem to come back to him, The only way, this is me talking. I myself can remember judgement is when they were throwing stones at Mary. Remember, that to me was Jesus saying let me judge, Not one of us have the right or Power to judge others or ourself. That’s the closest I can come. Not one of us know’s how God will judge another, or ourself. That is why we must pray for Gods mercy. If not we are all getting it!
 
Spot on. Some how some way they omit James. All the time and never seem to come back to him, The only way, this is me talking. I myself can remember judgement is when they were throwing stones at Mary. Remember, that to me was Jesus saying let me judge, Not one of us have the right or Power to judge others or ourself. That’s the closest I can come. Not one of us know’s how God will judge another, or ourself. That is why we must pray for Gods mercy. If not we are all getting it!
I concur.

“Let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed, lest he fall.” - 1 Cor. 10:12
 
No, God cannot do everything according to the Scriptures.
I’m afraid you are mistaken. Whatever God wants is God’s will and it will be done.

You stated in a later post that God cannot sin or lie etc. It is not God’s will to sin or lie so that negates the argument altogether.

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God can and is both just and merciful because it is His will to be so. You cannot fathom how that it is done through Scripture or any other Deposit of Faith. It is God’s mystery unto Himself until we are before Him in Heaven.
 
You’re starting to spiritualy see the gospel clearer, aren’t you? We want our justice served on Christ for our sins on our behalf, so we can receive mercy. It is an amazing act of love which glorifies the Father, Son and Holy Spirit for saving us…to the praise of His glorious grace. What is required, but to believe what God has said in regards to His Son. The Apostle Paul answered the jailer’s question, what must I do to be saved. Paul answered, believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.

Peace with God Through Faith - Rom 5

5:1 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we [1] have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Through him we have also obtained access by faith [2] into this grace in which we stand, and we [3] rejoice [4] in hope of the glory of God. 3 More than that, we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, 4 and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, 5 and hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.

6 For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— 8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. 10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. 11 More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.
This is simply the age-old argument of Justification vs. Salvation.

The problem with the non-catholic side to this argument is that you would have to interpret God’s word as saying that it’s okay to sin now that Christ has died for us because ultimately we WILL be saved no matter what.

Who believes that?
 
No, God cannot do everything according to the Scriptures.
Lets go back to the Lord’s Prayer. Known by all. THY KINGDOM COME THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN.

The Lord’s prayer states differently. Its say Yep God can and will do whatever he want’s in this world and the next.
 
Lets go back to the Lord’s Prayer. Known by all. THY KINGDOM COME THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN.

The Lord’s prayer states differently. Its say Yep God can and will do whatever he want’s in this world and the next.
Amen! Because whether we have the ability to understand or not, God is still in control and His will be done!
 
As a Catholic, I agree 100% with the passages you quoted. Not necessarily your interpretation of them. You could be wrong, correct? So do you agree that Jesus, James, Peter, Paul or anyone in Scripture never asked someone else the question, “If you were to die tonight do you have absolute assurance that you will go to Heaven?” This is some sort of made up salvation test that is nowhere found in the Bible…it is a man–made invention.
“You could be wrong, correct?”
Anybody could be wrong based on what they deem to be correct.

My conclusions are based on God’s works alone not ours.

Remember that all our righteousness are as filthy rags: Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

That verse gives us a clue to the state of our souls without Christs sacrifice.

Were it not for God’s Christ’s sacrifice no soul could or would ever be saved regardless of our righteous merits.

Paul’s claims: Phi 1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

Full assurance is noted by Paul because of what He understood of Christ’s sacrifice.

Peter: 2Pe 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

The words of Peter “have obtained” and through “the righteousness of God” are words of confirmation given as not of ourselves but of Gods works.

It is understood that salvation is secured with full assurance as “having obtained like precious faith” (notice having obtained, as if, as a gift?) not by our own works of righteousness but “through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ”.

To the point that if we should die right now, we die in full assurance of salvation having obtained that precious faith of Jesus whose faith fulfilled the whole letter of the law in order to grant us such a gift.

If you place your trust in the works of Jesus, than you to will have obtained of that precious faith and can “rest” assured that He is able to deliver you.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

What greater joy is there knowing that we are safe in His hands and not on our own merits?

Blessed be our God for such love and mercy.

Peace>>>AJ
 
“You could be wrong, correct?”
Anybody could be wrong based on what they deem to be correct.
Could the Church have been wrong in deciding the Canon of Scripture?
My conclusions are based on God’s works alone not ours.
Mine too, but mine are not limited to just the Bible. I also rely on the Church that He founded.
Full assurance is noted by Paul because of what He understood of Christ’s sacrifice.
1 John 1:9, “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” “If,” we confess our sins. If we repent. If we don’t, we are not forgiven. If we are not forgiven, we are not saved. This can also be very clearly seen in Jesus’ words to the seven churches in Rev 2 and 3.

When I respond to the question with, " ”I do not judge myself. I am not aware of anything against myself, but that does not mean I am acquitted. It is the Lord Who judges me.”, that response is almost an exact quote from Paul – 1 Cor 4:3–4. I am simply answering this non–scriptural question with a quote from Scripture itself. If you take that to somehow mean that I am not saved, then you are directly insinuating that Paul himself must not have been saved…because those are Paul’s words!

I believe I am saved by God’s grace alone, but now that I am saved, in order to run the race to the end, I need to cooperate with God’s grace in my life and produce good fruit, or I will be like the branches of the vine in John 15:1–6 that get cut off from the vine, thrown into the fire, and burned.

Do you believe you will remain a branch of the vine if you do not produce good fruit?

“Let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed, lest he fall.” - 1 Cor. 10:12

Question: Can you obtain Heaven if you do not forgive others that have sinned against you?
 
Could the Church have been wrong in deciding the Canon of Scripture?>>>Lampo
My understanding based on God’s workings is that the church works were under God’s inspiration.
Ref: 2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

I do not deny any of the churches laws, practices and or views, but rather give credence to the degree of love exercised as the more truth.
Mine too, but mine are not limited to just the Bible. I also rely on the Church that He founded.>>>Lampo
I have no problem with that. My views are based strictly on the exercise of love regardless of religious beliefs.
1 John 1:9, “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” “If,” we confess our sins. If we repent. If we don’t, we are not forgiven. If we are not forgiven, we are not saved. This can also be very clearly seen in Jesus’ words to the seven churches in Rev 2 and 3>>>Lampo.
I can fully understand your view of that verse, since I held that same view for most of my life.

There is a two part works in that verse if you can see it.
1st. Condition=if we, confess, repent, we are forgiven.
This condition requirements is in the flesh, therefore judgment is in the flesh.
The state of the heart is what needs be circumcised.

Note. Enabling=based on the condition of receiving.
Once received, the prior state of our souls is changed.
If not received, the prior state of our soul remains the same.
Ref: Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

2nd. Condition=the works of God in Christ.
God works in creation was marred by our ability to be gods.
Ref: Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Here is the source of death to mankind as an original sin of which every soul that breaks the womb is guilty of. (Knowledge of good and evil)

Remedy: To the marred vessel of clay: Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.

The new vessel? Was Jesus. Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

A new vessel, Jesus, and a new creation, life, one that shall never die awaiting us in heaven.
When I respond to the question with, " ”I do not judge myself. I am not aware of anything against myself, but that does not mean I am acquitted. It is the Lord Who judges me.”, that response is almost an exact quote from Paul – 1 Cor 4:3–4. I am simply answering this non–scriptural question with a quote from Scripture itself. If you take that to somehow mean that I am not saved, then you are directly insinuating that Paul himself must not have been saved…because those are Paul’s words!>>>Lampo
Whatever seeds we sow, same shall we reap. That is the condition which befalls all mankind as being earthly beings.
What we are not able to do is to save ourselves from the death sentence of eternal separation.

Unless God Himself makes the move to save His own creation, we are without hope.

Therefore, the condition for salvation is not based on our merits, but on God’s own merits.

You are saved by Gods works in Jesus by reason of your testimony of Jesus, as witnessed by me on this thread.
That takes the effort of righteousness for salvation away from you and places it squarely on Christ.

Christ is the owner of all souls both righteous and unrighteous.

The opportunity to enjoy the joy of salvation is given to as many as believe. Otherwise, there is none until the end of our earthly journey when Christ claims the soul.

The only real truth is, is there love in our hearts for God and mankind?
I believe I am saved by God’s grace alone, but now that I am saved, in order to run the race to the end, I need to cooperate with God’s grace in my life and produce good fruit, or I will be like the branches of the vine in John 15:1–6 that get cut off from the vine, thrown into the fire, and burned.>>>Lampo
If Gods grace alone saves you, will it also condemn you? Absolutely not!
If the condition for your salvation was placed squarely on your own merits, would that not deny Gods grace alone?

Your good works should rather be done out of love for God and mankind and not for any other motive.
We do the work and God does the saving.

Peace>>>AJ
 
Look3467…Who do you accept to tell you that you are wrong in your interpretations?

You must have missed the end of post you responded to.

Do you believe you will remain a branch of the vine if you do not produce good fruit?

“Let anyone who thinks that he stands take heed, lest he fall.” - 1 Cor. 10:12

Question: Can you obtain Heaven if you do not forgive others that have sinned against you?
 
look3467

You seem to really be confused with deeds and faith.

Go to James. He got it all done so clear, so easy to understand.

What do you think about this one. James2:18 So you have faith and I have good deeds? Show me this faith of yours without deeds then. It is by my deeds that I will show you my faith. You believe in the one God that is creditable enough even the demons have the same belief and they tremble with fear. Fool, Would you not like to know that faith without deeds is USELSESS…Keep reading. James will put you one the right track again. He will show you how to understand the Catholic faith once and for all. Its real easy to understand and you will SEE THE LIGHT BROTHER!
 
1 Cor. 9:27 - “No, I drive my body and train it, for fear that, after having preached to others, I myself should be disqualified.”
That verse does not in the least mean that Paul doubted his salvation.
 
That verse does not in the least mean that Paul doubted his salvation.
According to who’s interpretation does this verse not suggest that Paul knew he could lose his salvation?

Do these verses suggest that Paul knew he did not have absolute assurance?

Rom. 5:2 - we rejoice in the “hope” (not the presumptuous certainty) of sharing the glory of God. If salvation is absolutely assured after accepting Jesus as Savior, why would Paul hope?

Rom. 5:5 - this “hope” does not disappoint us, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit. Our hope is assured if we persevere to the end.

Rom. 8:24 - this “hope” of salvation that Paul writes about is unnecessary if salvation is guaranteed. If salvation is assured, then why hope?

Rom. 10:1 - Paul prays that the Jews “may be saved.” Why pray if it’s guaranteed? Further, why pray unless you can mediate?

Rom. 12:12 - rejoice in your “hope” (not your certainty), be patient in tribulation, and be constant in prayer.

2 Cor. 3:12 - since we have a “hope” (not a certainty), we are very bold. We can be bold when we are in God’s grace and our persevering in obedient faith.

Gal. 5:5 - for through the Spirit by faith we wait for the “hope” (not the certainty) of righteousness.

Eph. 1:18 - that you may know what is the “hope” to which He has called you, what are the riches of His glorious inheritance.

Eph. 4:4 - there is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one “hope” (not the one certainty) that belongs to your call.

Eph. 6:10-17 – Paul instructs the Ephesians to take the whole armor of God, the breastplate of righteousness, and the helmet of salvation, in order “to stand,” lest they fall. Paul does not give any assurance that the spiritual battle is already won.

Phil. 3:11 - Paul shares Christ’s sufferings so that “if possible” he may attain resurrection. Paul does not view his own resurrection as a certainty.

Phil. 1:20 - as it is my eager expectation and “hope” (not certainty) that I shall not be at all ashamed before Christ.

Col. 1:5 - Paul refers to the “hope” (not guarantee) that Christ laid up for us in heaven.

Col. 1:23 - provided that you continue in the faith, not shifting from the “hope” of the gospel which you heard.

Col. 1:27 - to them God chose to make known His mystery, which is Christ in you, the “hope” (not the certainty) of His glory.

1 Thess. 1:3 - remembering before our God your work of faith and labor of love and steadfastness of “hope” in Jesus Christ.

1 Thess. 2:19 - for what is our “hope” or joy or crown of boasting before our Lord Jesus at his coming? Is it not you?

1 Thess. 5:8 - we must put on the helmet of “hope” (not of certainty) of salvation.

2 Thess. 2:16 - the Lord Jesus and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good “hope” through grace.

1 Tim. 1:1 - Paul describes Christ Jesus as our “hope” (not our guarantee). We can reject Him and He will allow this.

1 Tim. 4:10 - Paul says we toil and strive because we have our “hope” (not our assurance) on the living God. This is not because God is unfaithful, but because we can be unfaithful. We toil and strive for our salvation.

1 Tim. 5:5 - she who is a real widow, and is left all alone, has set her “hope” (not her assurance) on God. Our hope is a guarantee only if we persevere to the end.

1 Tim. 5:15 – Paul writes that some have already strayed after satan, as God Himself tells us in 1 Tim. 4:1. They were on the right path, and then strayed off of it.

2 Tim. 2:10 - Paul endures for the elect so that they “may also obtain salvation.” This verse teaches us that even the "elect,” from the standpoint of human knowledge, have no guarantee of salvation.

Titus 1:2 - Paul says that he is in the “hope” (not the certainty) of eternal life. Paul knows that his hope is a guarantee if he perseveres, but his ability to choose sin over God makes his attainment of eternal life less than an absolute certainty until it is actually achieved.

Titus 2:13 - awaiting our blessed “hope,” the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Titus 3:7 - Paul says we have been given the Spirit so we might become heirs in the “hope” (not the certainty) of eternal life.

Heb. 3:6 - we are Christ’s house if we hold fast our confidence and pride in our “hope” (not our certainty).

Heb. 6:11 - we desire each one of you to show the same earnestness in realizing the full assurance of “hope” (not certainty) until the end.

Heb. 6:18 - we who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to seize the “hope” (not the certainty) that is set before us.

Heb. 6:19 - we have a “hope” that enters into the inner shrine behind the curtain, where Jesus has gone before us.

Heb. 7:19 - on the other hand, a better “hope” (not certainty) is introduced, through which we draw near to God.

Heb. 10:23 - let us hold fast the confession of our “hope” without wavering, for He who promised is faithful.

Heb. 11:1 - now faith is the assurance of things “hoped” for (not guaranteed), the conviction of things not seen (heaven).

Heb. 12:1 – let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us.

Heb. 12:15 – see to it that no one fail to obtain the grace of God; that no root of bitterness spring up and cause trouble, and by it many become defiled.

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1 Cor. 9:27 - “No, I drive my body and train it, for fear that, after having preached to others, I myself should be disqualified.”
Paul said in 1Cr 4:16 “Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.” Hmmm… why didn’t Paul say… be ye followers of Peter?

Sounds like Paul was certain of how to get to Heaven. This same Paul even corrected Peter and blamed Peter for not walking uprightly according to Gospel of Jesus Christ in Gal 2:11-14

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before [them] all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

For at least 13 years after Christ died… Peter did not know how to walk uprightly in front of gentiles. So how do you suppose Peter was a Pope of the Gentiles?
 
Paul said in 1Cr 4:16 “Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.” Hmmm… why didn’t Paul say… be ye followers of Peter?
Possibly because Paul had followers too?
Sounds like Paul was certain of how to get to Heaven.
No doubt. He was also certain that he could lose his salvation.
This same Paul even corrected Peter and blamed Peter for not walking uprightly according to Gospel of Jesus Christ in Gal 2:11-14
So? Paul was right in doing so. That the first pope needed correction does not somehow indicate he was not the first pope.
For at least 13 years after Christ died… Peter did not know how to walk uprightly in front of gentiles. So how do you suppose Peter was a Pope of the Gentiles?
I suppose it because it is the truth. Whether you believe it or not is irrelevant.
 
Possibly because Paul had followers too?

No doubt. He was also certain that he could lose his salvation.

So? Paul was right in doing so. That the first pope needed correction does not somehow indicate he was not the first pope.

I suppose it because it is the truth. Whether you believe it or not is irrelevant.
Possibly?
So?
I suppose?

You don’t sound very certain of yourself. Exactly why should I listen to anything you have say if you have so much uncertainty?
 
If I die right now, I’m going to need to tap into God’s supply of infinite mercy to make sure I get in.
 
Possibly?
So?
I suppose?

You don’t sound very certain of yourself. Exactly why should I listen to anything you have say if you have so much uncertainty?
“Information is received depending on the mode of the recipient.” - St. Thomas Aquinas
 
If I die right now, I’m going to need to tap into God’s supply of infinite mercy to make sure I get in.
You’re Jewish right?

Well… you must believe that Jesus is the Son of God and confess Him as Lord and Saviour… then repent of all your sins.
 
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