Iglesia ni Cristo members.. lets help them

[read_me]

i am not going to defend the Spanish Friars that Rizal spoke of because we know they were abusive. but not everyone who claim to be sent by God is truly sent by God. we have already been warned by the false teachers who would appear. sometimes these false teachers appear as priests. but does 1, or 10 or 1000 abusive priest means the entire Catholic Church is corrupt and evil? lets see, Marcos was corrupt, Marcos was a Filipino, should I assume that you are corrupt as well? to conclude the sin of one or a few is the sin of all is entirely false and baseless. even among the Apostles there was one traitor. even Peter was tempted by the devil to ask Jesus to give up His mission. we are mere humans, easy to tempt, easy to fall to sin. do not tell me the INC believes that they are all free from temptation and sin?

So, you also mean that not all CC church priests are HOLY right? and about the false teachers, is that also connective about the called apostasy??? that false teachers will appear huh. so now, Is the true church HAVE these bad doing priests?

 

[read_me]

Manalo is a false teacher and the Bible tells us why:

What is a False teacher?

2 Peter 2
1 But there were also false prophets among the people. In the same way there will be false teachers among you. In secret they will bring in teachings that will destroy you. They will even turn against the Lord and Master who died to save them. His death paid for their sins. They will quickly destroy themselves. 2 Many people will follow their shameful ways. They will give the way of truth a bad name.

so False teachers are those who have turned against the Lord and Master who died to save us all. and this is Jesus Christ.

how did Manalo turn against Jesus Christ?

Matthew 10
32 "What about someone who says in front of others that he knows me? I will also say in front of my Father who is in heaven that I know him. 33 But what about someone who says in front of others that he doesn’t know me? I will say in front of my Father who is in heaven that I don’t know him.

Does Manalo know the real Jesus? he claims Jesus is not God despite Jesus saying that he is God

John 10
25Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father’s name speak for me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[d]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”

huh? you are so funny, you are contradicting yourself. It so very very clearly under the sun even in your quoted verse " I will also say in front of my Father who is in heaven" how can you say that jesus declared that he is god? or clearly you are just twisting the fact? It is said once more, he acknowledge us that the father, or our god WHO IS IN HEAVEN. he doesnt say that i am god, the father who is in heaven. hello??! So, about that quotation, I and the father are one, please seek the truth about it, again, it is clearly…

“My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all”

is there any argument to that???

 

[choy]

huh? you are so funny, you are contradicting yourself. It so very very clearly under the sun even in your quoted verse " I will also say in front of my Father who is in heaven" how can you say that jesus declared that he is god? or clearly you are just twisting the fact? It is said once more, he acknowledge us that the father, or our god WHO IS IN HEAVEN. he doesnt say that i am god, the father who is in heaven. hello??! So, about that quotation, I and the father are one, please seek the truth about it, again, it is clearly…

“My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all”

is there any argument to that???

you are correct, Jesus declares that the Father is a separate persona. and that is where INC fails. they fail to recognize the Greatness of God that He can have 3 different persona and yet be the one and the same God. Jesus has referred to God the Father and the Holy Spirit as separate personas from Himself, and yet they share all the same attributes.

INC is the one contradicting Jesus Christ

in Revelation, Jesus declares Himself as the first and the last:
Revelation 1 17When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.

and Isaiah 43, God the Father declares that there is no other god before Him or after Him
10 You are my witnesses," declares the LORD,
"and my servant whom I have chosen,
so that you may know and believe me
and understand that I am he.
Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me.

so how can be Jesus the first and that last if he is not God and one with God?

Furthermore, in the next verse in Isaiah, God the Father declares

11 I, even I, am the LORD,
and apart from me there is no savior.

there is no other savior other than the Lord our God. and Paul declares this in his letter to Titus

Titus 2
11For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. 12It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, 13while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

so are you saying that Paul is lying? that these words in the Bible are lying? that Jesus Christ is not God and Savior? there is no other savior but God, and Jesus is our savior.

furthermore in Hebrews, it is shown that by God calling Jesus His Son verifies that Jesus is indeed God. because even the angels are not called Son of God

Hebrews 1
5For to which of the angels did God ever say,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father[a]”**? Or again,
“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son”[c]? 6And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”[d] 7In speaking of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels winds,
his servants flames of fire.”[e] 8But about the Son he says,
"Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever,
and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom. **

 

[choy]

So, you also mean that not all CC church priests are HOLY right? and about the false teachers, is that also connective about the called apostasy??? that false teachers will appear huh. so now, Is the true church HAVE these bad doing priests?

no, you are wrong
the appearance of false teachers like Manalo does not apostasize the Church. that is why Paul asks that we question everything, to separate the truth from the lies, so we can separate the true disciples of Christ from the false ones.

and yes, it is possible that the true Church will have bad priests. for the false prophets will come dressed like the followers of Christ. Jesus Himself tells us:

Matthew 7
15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

Peter also affirms that false prohpets will appear among the believers

2 Peter 2
1But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.

did any of them speak of apostasy? no. the false prophets appear among the people, the same as there would be priests who would fall into temptation and sin and commit acts against the teaching of Jesus. but does that apostasize the Church? no. the Church cannot be apostasized because by the Power of God, nothing can bring the true Church down.

Matthew 16
18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

so are you telling me Jesus is lying when he said that the gates of Hades (hell in greek) will not prevail against His church? if a few fallen priests can apostasize the Church, then Jesus was lying. but Jesus was not lying for He only speaks of the Truth. and the promises of Jesus are all for certain. believe that the Church can never be apostasized because Jesus Himself declared that no evil can prevail against it

 

[choy]

and how can you say that ka felix copied doctrines from the LDS? Is it only because there were doctrines in the LDS same to the doctrines of the INC?? So? what is wrong if it is the TRUTH?? If it is the true gods commandments. huh? and yes. i am not surprised that you will say that all teachings from the bible of ka felix were wrong. because you were a CATHOLIC and i am an INC member! i will surprise if you defend the INC teachings, hello???! and how can you say that INC doctrines are wrong only because the doctrine of the trinity is not of our doctrine? But how can it be the doctrine FROM the bible if that FORMULATION only showed on the 4th century and proven by the history that it is from the CHURCH FATHERS and not even one of the teachings of the apostles??
and in all of the said verses, let me ask you, is what you are believing in the interpretation of that is what it MUST be interpreted? it is just so SIMPLE, so why did jesus not DECLARED if he is the only one true god? why, why, why??!! is it because jesus makes lies because he always introduce as himself as son of god and not son-god? and introduce the only true god, the father? huh?

i will not delve into the truthfullness or lack of it on LDS doctrines, but the fact that Manalo only copied them proves that he is not a messenger of God but only someone who took the idea from another religion. to be a true messenger of God, you must receive the message from God, not from another religion.

and the Trinity in the Bible from the words of Jesus written by Matthew

Matthew 28
18 Then Jesus came to them. He said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 So you must go and make disciples of all nations. Baptize them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

why did Jesus ask that all diciples be baptized in the name of God and two other entities? is it not a desecration to God that one is baptized in His name and two others who are not God? did God not command not to have other Gods before Him? will Jesus disobey this commandment of His Father? of course not! Jesus commands this because we are all to be baptized in God, in the three names of the one God.

 

[choy]

huh? you are so funny, you are contradicting yourself. It so very very clearly under the sun even in your quoted verse " I will also say in front of my Father who is in heaven" how can you say that jesus declared that he is god? or clearly you are just twisting the fact? It is said once more, he acknowledge us that the father, or our god WHO IS IN HEAVEN. he doesnt say that i am god, the father who is in heaven. hello??! So, about that quotation, I and the father are one, please seek the truth about it, again, it is clearly…

“My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all”

is there any argument to that???

you are correct. none is greater than the Father in Heaven

Jesus is not greater that the Father, because they are equal. none greater, none lesser

so you may understand, i will speak in Filipino

Ang Diyos Ama ang pinaka higit sa lahat. And Diyos Anak ay hindi higit sa Ama, dahil sila ay magkapantay dahils sila ay iisa lamang

 

[Halima]

CAn you prove that being the oldest religion is said about the true CHurch and will be saved by Christ? even just one verse of the bible! it is same as, can you prove that being the majority of the people is one of the sign jesus christ will saved? But the fact that it is FROM THE BIBLE that there would be an APOSTASY. and it is proven how the next church administration after the death of the apostles took place. By formulating such man made doctrines. and about the spaniards, yes. because the filipinos even forced to embrace the catholic faith in the long time ago, and we all know that spaniards are so strict even kill people who does not following their commands,that’s why filipinos embrace the catholic faith. (i hope no one can deny it as i said it is from our history) and about your friars long time ago, WHATEVER EXPLANATION you say, but the FACT THAT THEY ARE CATHOLICS, they done evils as even Dr. Jose rizal exposed, our national hero, so, is that what you call HOLY among the priests??? and just i said, even ONE can represent the CC, so whatever you call about those ABUSIVE FRIARS, still they are from the CC and you cannot erase that history

Who is condoning with the abusive spanish friars? Simply any abuse should not be tolerated.

Regarding your claim that APOSTASY is written in the Bible that after the apostles’ death there would be apostasy, can u please give the the exact biblical verse?

 

[Halima]

So, you also mean that not all CC church priests are HOLY right? and about the false teachers, is that also connective about the called apostasy??? that false teachers will appear huh. so now, Is the true church HAVE these bad doing priests?

False priests will never contaminate the whole Church. Just as an infection in the throat cannot contaminate the whole body.

You are generalizing, you failed to highlight the lives of holy priests. How about in INC what holy thing did Felix Manalo did? Any?

 

[Bill_Pick]

I don’t know the email addy of a single INC member.

Aren’t they a cult?

Do they exist anywhere besides the Phillipines?

Are we also write a letter to the moron and the JW they are all so cults

 

[choy]

So, you also mean that not all CC church priests are HOLY right? and about the false teachers, is that also connective about the called apostasy??? that false teachers will appear huh. so now, Is the true church HAVE these bad doing priests?

before you start criticizing the fallen priests in the Catholic Church, can you please explain this?

phillipgarcia.wordpress.com/2009/01/30/behind-the-iglesia-ni-cristos-king-maker-role-a-chain-of-crimes-and-mythical-numbers/

not only were the ministers murdering, the murders are done in and around INC temples

 

[M_catholic]

and how can you say that ka felix copied doctrines from the LDS? Is it only because there were doctrines in the LDS same to the doctrines of the INC?? So? what is wrong if it is the TRUTH?? If it is the true gods commandments. huh? and yes. i am not surprised that you will say that all teachings from the bible of ka felix were wrong. because you were a CATHOLIC and i am an INC member! i will surprise if you defend the INC teachings, hello???! and how can you say that INC doctrines are wrong only because the doctrine of the trinity is not of our doctrine? But how can it be the doctrine FROM the bible if that FORMULATION only showed on the 4th century and proven by the history that it is from the CHURCH FATHERS and not even one of the teachings of the apostles??
and in all of the said verses, let me ask you, is what you are believing in the interpretation of that is what it MUST be interpreted? it is just so SIMPLE, so why did jesus not DECLARED if he is the only one true god? why, why, why??!! is it because jesus makes lies because he always introduce as himself as son of god and not son-god? and introduce the only true god, the father? huh?

haven’t you noticed something? you can’t back up your statements,even with a single verse from the bible. while choy has given you several verses.

you just responded with your own opinion and with ignorance. i “think”.

again, would Christ abandon his church after the apostles died?

 

[M_catholic]

huh? you are so funny, you are contradicting yourself. It so very very clearly under the sun even in your quoted verse " I will also say in front of my Father who is in heaven" how can you say that jesus declared that he is god? or clearly you are just twisting the fact? It is said once more, he acknowledge us that the father, or our god WHO IS IN HEAVEN. he doesnt say that i am god, the father who is in heaven. hello??! So, about that quotation, I and the father are one, please seek the truth about it, again, it is clearly…

“My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all”

is there any argument to that???

at least, choy gave you an argument backed up with verses, how about you?

 

[Halima]

before you start criticizing the fallen priests in the Catholic Church, can you please explain this?

phillipgarcia.wordpress.com/2009/01/30/behind-the-iglesia-ni-cristos-king-maker-role-a-chain-of-crimes-and-mythical-numbers/

not only were the ministers murdering, the murders are done in and around INC temples

I don’t want to celebrate with that bad intention of ADD to demonize the INC but that article complete with headline tabloids but I cannot just brush aside its truthfulness.

So here we are read me, before you highlight the errand priests we have in the Catholic Church you should come out clean, unblemish. Tell you what, we Catholics never condone with any abusive priests. In fact, we Catholics should safeguard one another from any abuse by members or clergy. There is no room for that in the Catholic Church. As you condemn such “unchristian” behavior so do we. At least we have something in common, knowing what’s moral and what’s not.

Still the fact remains, that the Catholic Church is the true Church of Christ built by Christ and not by mortal sinful man.

 

[choy]

another item of reflection for our Iglesia ni Cristo brothers and sisters

Paul said in his letter to the Corinthians:

2 Corinthians 11:4
Suppose someone comes to you and preaches about a Jesus different from the Jesus we preached about. Or suppose you receive a spirit different from the one you received before. Or suppose you receive a message of good news different from the one you accepted earlier. You put up with those kinds of things easily enough.

What did Paul say about those who preach a Jesus other than the Jesus they preach?

2 Corinthians 11:13
People like that are false apostles. They work hard to trick others. They only pretend to be apostles of Christ.

So who is the Jesus that Paul and the other apostle preach? In Paul’s letter to Titus he states:

Titus 2:11-14
11 God’s saving grace has appeared to all people. 12 It teaches us to say no to godless ways and sinful longings. We must control ourselves. We must do what is right. We must lead godly lives in today’s world. 13 That’s how we should live as we wait for the blessed hope God has given us.

We are waiting for Jesus Christ to appear in all his glory. He is our great God and Savior. 14 He gave himself for us. By doing that, he set us free from all evil. He wanted to make us pure. He wanted us to be his very own people. He wanted us to long to do what is good.

So to summarize, Paul said that the false apostles, or those pretending to be apostles preach a Jesus other than the Jesus that he and all the other apostles preach. Paul preaches that Jesus is our God and Savior. Felix Manalo preaches that Jesus is not God. he denies Jesus as God. then the Jesus that Manalo preaches is different from the God and Savior that Paul preaches.

But wait! Manalo is not a false apostle! Because he didn’t claim to be an apostle, he said he was an angel, God’s last messenger. So Paul, in the same chapter of his second letter to the Corinthians write:

2 Corinthians 11 14-15
14 That comes as no surprise. Even Satan himself pretends to be an angel of light. 15 So it doesn’t surprise us that those who serve Satan pretend to be serving God. They will finally get exactly what they should.

 

[choy]

I don’t want to celebrate with that bad intention of ADD to demonize the INC but that article complete with headline tabloids but I cannot just brush aside its truthfulness.

So here we are read me, before you highlight the errand priests we have in the Catholic Church you should come out clean, unblemish. Tell you what, we Catholics never condone with any abusive priests. In fact, we Catholics should safeguard one another from any abuse by members or clergy. There is no room for that in the Catholic Church. As you condemn such “unchristian” behavior so do we. At least we have something in common, knowing what’s moral and what’s not.

Still the fact remains, that the Catholic Church is the true Church of Christ built by Christ and not by mortal sinful man.

Halima, Philippine tabloids do not report lies when they make news reports. they sensationalize, yes. they make big, crazy headlines to sell the stories, yes. but the basis for the stories itself are all true. they don’t change the basic facts of the story even though the story telling is highly exaggerated.

 

[Halima]

Halima, Philippine tabloids do not report lies when they make news reports. they sensationalize, yes. they make big, crazy headlines to sell the stories, yes. but the basis for the stories itself are all true. they don’t change the basic facts of the story even though the story telling is highly exaggerated.

Yes, I know that choy. That’s why I say I can’t just brush aside the truth in these reports so I think “read me” should stop pointing our faults but look right under his nose.

But the truth remains that the Catholic Church never apostatised and so we don’t need any self proclaimed “restorers” like Joseph Smith and Felix Manalo.

 

[choy]

funny they keep insisting the church was apostatized but have yet to show any proof or basis that it was

 

[Halima]

funny they keep insisting the church was apostatized but have yet to show any proof or basis that it was

They accused Church Fathers of inventing “man-made” doctrines while ignoring the promise of Christ that hell WILL NEVER prevail against HIS Church.

It’s really funny.

 

[adspie]

*sigh" mahihirapan lang tayo sakakaexplain sa mga INC yung utak nilal syadong close minded… kahit sa pinoyexchange grabe ang kikitid

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[M_catholic]

They accused Church Fathers of inventing “man-made” doctrines while ignoring the promise of Christ that hell WILL NEVER prevail against HIS Church.

It’s really funny.

I’ve been wondering, if there was an another administration that took over and change the doctrines of Christ, that would meant that Hell prevail over Christ’s church?

If that’s the case, Jesus lied?

Matthew 16:18:

18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.