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[Halima]

and why do INC members turn violent when engaging in debates? they turn to name calling and hurl other insults. is it because this is the only way they’ll win a debate? not by claiming a truth over you but by insults and get the audience to have a lower opinion on you

is this part of their training?

I agree! I’ve read in forums who they assassinate anyone by calling names, and very mean language. They can’t refute sound arguements. I can categorically say they are ALL no exemption, they are the meanest sect cult in the Philippines, next to ADD, JMC of Almeda, and many many others.

Politicians are always running after their leader hoping that they woudl get the INC bloc votes but hey they are just few bunch of hypocrites and not all do follow their leader’s command to vote. I know they are not robots but their leader wants them to be like.

 

[godin]

A True Christian is Meek and Humble… Like Jesus… even when persecuted kept silent… and just relied on God His Father… that is what is missing with them… thats is why they turn to unchristian attitudes when cornered…

 

[choy]

where is our favorite Iglesia member, read_me? i’m still worried about him. he hasn’t posted since the floods. i hope he’s okay.

 

[Milliardo]

and why do INC members turn violent when engaging in debates? they turn to name calling and hurl other insults. is it because this is the only way they’ll win a debate? not by claiming a truth over you but by insults and get the audience to have a lower opinion on you

is this part of their training?

Name calling is the lowest form of argument; it shows how weak one’s position is, and rather than engage on the actual issue, a person resorting to this distracts his audience by hurling other issues not related to what’s being discussed, and worse, making personal attacks on his opponent.

 

[choy]

Name calling is the lowest form of argument; it shows how weak one’s position is, and rather than engage on the actual issue, a person resorting to this distracts his audience by hurling other issues not related to what’s being discussed, and worse, making personal attacks on his opponent.

unfortunately, this tactic sometimes work. sadly, with the less educated.

 

[godin]

I have compiled translations of John 8:58 including LAMSA and NWT…
they have been reading an inaccurate translation of the bible… all other translations are in one accord…regarding John 8:58… except LAMSA and NWT…

Jesus grew in wisdom while we was growing up until his public ministry… i believe he can speak and converse languages other than aramaic… the credibilty of George LAMSA and his translation cannot be trusted…

 

[godin]

I have compiled translations of John 8:58 including LAMSA and NWT…
they have been reading an inaccurate translation of the bible… all other translations are in one accord…regarding John 8:58… except LAMSA and NWT…

Jesus grew in wisdom while we was growing up until his public ministry… i believe he can speak and converse languages other than aramaic… the credibilty of George LAMSA and his translation cannot be trusted…

John 8:58

58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” (NIV)
58Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, (A)I am.” (NASB)
58"Believe me," said Jesus, “I am who I am long before Abraham was anything.” (The Message)
58Jesus replied, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, before Abraham was born, I AM.(A) (Amplified bible)
58 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am![a] (NLT)
58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. (KJV)
58Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was,(A) I am.” (ESV)
58Jesus answered, “I tell you for certain that even before Abraham was, I was, and I am.” [a] (CEV)
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” (NKJV)
58 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I am!” (NCV)
58Jesus said unto them, “Verily, verily I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am!” (KJ21)
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am. (ASV)
58Jesus said to them, Verily, verily, I say to you, Before Abraham's coming -- I am; (YLT) 58Jesus said to them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. (Darby) 58 Jesus said to them, " I assure you: Before Abraham was, I am." (A) [a] (HCSB) 58 "What I'm about to tell you is true," Jesus answered. "Before Abraham was born, I am!" (NIRV) 58 Therefore Jesus said to them, Truly, truly I say to you, before that Abraham should be, I am. (WYC) 58Jesus answered, I tell you the truth. I already was before Abraham was born.’ (WE)
58 I tell you the truth, Jesus answered, before Abraham was born, I am! (NIVUK)
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” (TNIV)

LAMSA Translation :
58 Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham was born, I was.

NWT Translation :
58 Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to YOU, Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.”

ARIAN BIASED TRANSLATIONS OF THE BIBLE:

Schonfield
Johannes Greber
New World Translation
Moffatt, James
Goodspeed, Edgar
Smith, J. M. Powis
Emphatic Diaglott
Kingdom Interlinear
Lamsa
Cotton Patch
New English Bible
Revised English Bible
New Testament in an Improved Version
Newcome’s New Translation

hope this helps! God bless us all!!!

 

[Halima]

I have compiled translations of John 8:58 including LAMSA and NWT…
they have been reading an inaccurate translation of the bible… all other translations are in one accord…regarding John 8:58… except LAMSA and NWT…

Jesus grew in wisdom while we was growing up until his public ministry… i believe he can speak and converse languages other than aramaic… the credibilty of George LAMSA and his translation cannot be trusted…

John 8:58

58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” (NIV)
58Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, (A)I am.” (NASB)
58"Believe me," said Jesus, “I am who I am long before Abraham was anything.” (The Message)
58Jesus replied, I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, before Abraham was born, I AM.(A) (Amplified bible)
58 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am![a] (NLT)
58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. (KJV)
58Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was,(A) I am.” (ESV)
58Jesus answered, “I tell you for certain that even before Abraham was, I was, and I am.” [a] (CEV)
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” (NKJV)
58 Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I am!” (NCV)
58Jesus said unto them, “Verily, verily I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am!” (KJ21)
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am. (ASV)
58Jesus said to them, Verily, verily, I say to you, Before Abraham's coming -- I am; (YLT) 58Jesus said to them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. (Darby) 58 Jesus said to them, " I assure you: Before Abraham was, I am." (A) [a] (HCSB) 58 "What I'm about to tell you is true," Jesus answered. "Before Abraham was born, I am!" (NIRV) 58 Therefore Jesus said to them, Truly, truly I say to you, before that Abraham should be, I am. (WYC) 58Jesus answered, I tell you the truth. I already was before Abraham was born.’ (WE)
58 I tell you the truth, Jesus answered, before Abraham was born, I am! (NIVUK)
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” (TNIV)

LAMSA Translation :
58 Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham was born, I was.

NWT Translation :
58 Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to YOU, Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.”

ARIAN BIASED TRANSLATIONS OF THE BIBLE:

Schonfield
Johannes Greber
New World Translation
Moffatt, James
Goodspeed, Edgar
Smith, J. M. Powis
Emphatic Diaglott
Kingdom Interlinear
Lamsa
Cotton Patch
New English Bible
Revised English Bible
New Testament in an Improved Version
Newcome’s New Translation

hope this helps! God bless us all!!!

Thanks godin for this. It’s very informative. God bless.

 

[read_me]

wohooh… i wish the very disastrous moment of every filipinos in metro manila would not happen again. even i experience my “own adventure!” haha i got stranded in our school so i have no choice but to walk from my school to our home. that’s i think the very moment i will cannot forget! wohoah. from (cubao-antipolo city) if someone knows it. I experience get wet all day shaking because it is very cold. Even became one of the “evacuees” ive never expect. That is also the time i and my other classmates experience extreme hunger because there were no open stores out there because of the great flood. I thank god because i came home safe even the roads are dark because there were no electricity at that time. I came home 3:30 in the morning, walking and walking. woahh! sorry, if it is out of the topic but i only want to share.

well, i just realize that i should only ask you about your beliefs because i think i could never won for this 1 vs. 100, haha i wish the next posts will be better, better of facts and not of accusations, allegations, myths and whatsoever kind of statements. right?.

First, i just recently i search about a teenagers killed i think in an Islam country. do christians and muslim angry with each other? why such violence exists even nowadays?

 

[M_catholic]

wohooh… i wish the very disastrous moment of every filipinos in metro manila would not happen again. even i experience my “own adventure!” haha i got stranded in our school so i have no choice but to walk from my school to our home. that’s i think the very moment i will cannot forget! wohoah. from (cubao-antipolo city) if someone knows it. I experience get wet all day shaking because it is very cold. Even became one of the “evacuees” ive never expect. That is also the time i and my other classmates experience extreme hunger because there were no open stores out there because of the great flood. I thank god because i came home safe even the roads are dark because there were no electricity at that time. I came home 3:30 in the morning, walking and walking. woahh! sorry, if it is out of the topic but i only want to share.

well, i just realize that i should only ask you about your beliefs because i think i could never won for this 1 vs. 100, haha i wish the next posts will be better, better of facts and not of accusations, allegations, myths and whatsoever kind of statements. right?.

First, i just recently i search about a teenagers killed i think in an Islam country. do christians and muslim angry with each other? why such violence exists even nowadays?

hello read me,

How are you?

I read your blog but since i can’t comment on your blog due to some technical reasons let’s discuss your points here. can we?

I found out you have your response about the gates of hades in your blog. Now, would you care to post it here?

next point, about the teleseries “May bukas pa”.( Do you watch it?)
You know the meaning of bro right? It’s brother. now, what makes it disrespectful to our Lord Jesus Christ?

btw, if you don’t mind i will post the link of your blog…

readmeinc.blogspot.com/

 

[jamil_joseph02]

well, i just realize that i should only ask you about your beliefs because i think i could never won for this 1 vs. 100, haha i wish the next posts will be better, better of facts and not of accusations, allegations, myths and whatsoever kind of statements. right?.

well readme, I thought that the INC is the true Church of Christ? It looks like you’re saying that you “cannot win” against us Catholics?

you know, even if you have hundreds of thousands of opponents, if you are standing for the truth, you will prevail against them, right?

Looks like you’re saying you will not prevail huh. What’s the meaning of that? You’re not in the truth?

 

[Catholic4evr]

wohooh… i wish the very disastrous moment of every filipinos in metro manila would not happen again. even i experience my “own adventure!” haha i got stranded in our school so i have no choice but to walk from my school to our home. that’s i think the very moment i will cannot forget! wohoah. from (cubao-antipolo city) if someone knows it. I experience get wet all day shaking because it is very cold. Even became one of the “evacuees” ive never expect. That is also the time i and my other classmates experience extreme hunger because there were no open stores out there because of the great flood. I thank god because i came home safe even the roads are dark because there were no electricity at that time. I came home 3:30 in the morning, walking and walking. woahh! sorry, if it is out of the topic but i only want to share.

well, i just realize that i should only ask you about your beliefs because i think i could never won for this 1 vs. 100, haha i wish the next posts will be better, better of facts and not of accusations, allegations, myths and whatsoever kind of statements. right?.

First, i just recently i search about a teenagers killed i think in an Islam country. do christians and muslim angry with each other? why such violence exists even nowadays?

Read Me, I am not sure what is on your mind. It seems that you cannot stand the scrutiny of your doctrines. If you really represent the truth, no matter how many we are, you will prevail. Yet you are giving up and leaving this forum without answering so many questions. Also, why did you change the topic all of a sudden? Please shed more light to the questions we have for you. In leaving so soon you cast more shadows.

 

[read_me]

hello read me,

How are you?

I read your blog but since i can’t comment on your blog due to some technical reasons let’s discuss your points here. can we?

I found out you have your response about the gates of hades in your blog. Now, would you care to post it here?

next point, about the teleseries “May bukas pa”.( Do you watch it?)
You know the meaning of bro right? It’s brother. now, what makes it disrespectful to our Lord Jesus Christ?

btw, if you don’t mind i will post the link of your blog…

readmeinc.blogspot.com/

maybe there is a problem in your computer or the internet, because i also encountered it if i am just logging in in an internet cafe.

in that teleserye, i just ask you, is that right to call on “Bro” to our lord jesus Christ? If we are talking for exam. to the president, and you will greet PGMA, is it okay to say “how are you manang Gloria?” or “aling gloria?”. calling something to someone that is not right or suitable especially you worship jesus Christ as God…

in that gates of hades, you can just look it in my blog…

 

[jamil_joseph02]

maybe there is a problem in your computer or the internet, because i also encountered it if i am just logging in in an internet cafe.

in that teleserye, i just ask you, is that right to call on “Bro” to our lord jesus Christ? If we are talking for exam. to the president, and you will greet PGMA, is it okay to say “how are you manang Gloria?” or “aling gloria?”. calling something to someone that is not right or suitable especially you worship jesus Christ as God…

in that gates of hades, you can just look it in my blog…

well readme, I thought that the INC is the true Church of Christ? It looks like you’re saying that you “cannot win” against us Catholics?

you know, even if you have hundreds of thousands of opponents, if you are standing for the truth, you will prevail against them, right?

Looks like you’re saying you will not prevail huh. What’s the meaning of that? You’re not in the truth?

 

[read_me]

well readme, I thought that the INC is the true Church of Christ? It looks like you’re saying that you “cannot win” against us Catholics?

you know, even if you have hundreds of thousands of opponents, if you are standing for the truth, you will prevail against them, right?

Looks like you’re saying you will not prevail huh. What’s the meaning of that? You’re not in the truth?

yes. you again make some imaginative thinking about my statments, so that others will think that the INC is just a cult and whatsoever. Yes. i will say i am standing for the truth, and you know how truth moves in this site, composing of many catholics? its like what you call that? debunking? (^_^) right. because if i will answers every posts and in every threads and in every sites, whoaah. do you think it will come to an end? even the answers were given, still others will give another issues, and so forth…

what i want is to start a new conversation that will point to a better topic… But if you dont want, and still make my statments a big deal to appeal to others that i am not answering questions and others, i think i should stop these. These forums made to be enlighten each others sides and to go to a better result not to have propagandas with one another as what i observe within the posts and the threads in this site…

(This post were also my answer to the next poser of jamil joseph)

 

[jamil_joseph02]

yes. you again make some imaginative thinking about my statments, so that others will think that the INC is just a cult and whatsoever. Yes. i will say i am standing for the truth, and you know how truth moves in this site, composing of many catholics? its like what you call that? debunking? (^_^) right. because if i will answers every posts and in every threads and in every sites, whoaah. do you think it will come to an end? even the answers were given, still others will give another issues, and so forth…

I guess it is you who are making some imaginative thinking about my statements. Read me, I am not proving in my statements that INC is a cult or whatsoever. I also am not proving that you could not answer questions. What I’m trying to say is that it looks like the INC is not in the truth because we already reached above 400 posts and still you could not bring us some enlightenment, as what you’ve said. Nothing more nothing less.

 

[choy]

i for one am glad you are okay read_me

i’m sure Jesus will not let anything bad happen to you until you have learned the true Him and received Him and accepted Him as your God and Savior

 

[M_catholic]

maybe there is a problem in your computer or the internet, because i also encountered it if i am just logging in in an internet cafe.

in that teleserye, i just ask you, is that right to call on “Bro” to our lord jesus Christ? If we are talking for exam. to the president, and you will greet PGMA, is it okay to say “how are you manang Gloria?” or “aling gloria?”. calling something to someone that is not right or suitable especially you worship jesus Christ as God…

in that gates of hades, you can just look it in my blog…

well it’s better that you post your response here. I guess it’s not only me that’s interested on your understanding of apostasy and gates of hades. Many people here in the forum are waiting for your answer here.

you haven’t answered my question, what makes it disrespectful?

here’s my personal view of it…

If you have a brother? will you have a close relationship with him? are you comfortable with him? can you easily talk to him? your worries, problems and wishes?

in Filipino… “kung may kapatid ka, Hindi ba na mas malapit tayo sa mga Kapatid natin?”

This is just an example that Christ is like our brother too… we can go to Him and Talk to Him. Communicate with Him with no worries and fear… Children sometimes have trouble communicating with people they are not close with. Now, How about to our Lord Jesus Christ? Do you think if they consider him as their brother or Bro will they not be able to develop close relationship with God?
Same to adults too… right?
calling Jesus “Bro” or brother will not strip him of his divinity or being God…
Let me ask, do you consider Jesus as your friend?
If I call Him my Friend? will I disrespect Him? If I call the President as my Friend? will I disrespect the President?

if I Call you FRIEND? will I disrespect you?

 

[choy]

read_me

i’m curious. were you born an INC or did you convert later in your life?

 

[read_me]

well it’s better that you post your response here. I guess it’s not only me that’s interested on your understanding of apostasy and gates of hades. Many people here in the forum are waiting for your answer here.

you haven’t answered my question, what makes it disrespectful?

here’s my personal view of it…

If you have a brother? will you have a close relationship with him? are you comfortable with him? can you easily talk to him? your worries, problems and wishes?

in Filipino… “kung may kapatid ka, Hindi ba na mas malapit tayo sa mga Kapatid natin?”

This is just an example that Christ is like our brother too… we can go to Him and Talk to Him. Communicate with Him with no worries and fear… Children sometimes have trouble communicating with people they are not close with. Now, How about to our Lord Jesus Christ? Do you think if they consider him as their brother or Bro will they not be able to develop close relationship with God?
Same to adults too… right?
calling Jesus “Bro” or brother will not strip him of his divinity or being God…
Let me ask, do you consider Jesus as your friend?
If I call Him my Friend? will I disrespect Him? If I call the President as my Friend? will I disrespect the President?

if I Call you FRIEND? will I disrespect you?

Ok.
about mine, my personal view in that is…

Yes. I agree to you, maybe it is a way or a tool to make childrens more closer to God or for you its jesus Christ. I already know that you will answer that kind of reason because that is the only thing or the only explanation why, lets say the writers of the teleserye come up to the concept of calling Jesus Christ as your God as Bro.

But the point is, you are believing that jesus Christ as your god made everything, right? even life, but why will you call him as like your co-level or treat him as (in tagalog KA LEVEL mo lang?). I also believe in that concept but the problem is God is higher that you so you should respect him and call him by his name not by any name given by the humans. It will be terrible if one day, another teleserye like this come to another concept and what will call to jesus Christ or God as your belief is like “Pare”, “Tol” (in tagalog), and i remember that when we are in elementary it is taught to us that those words are called “salitang balbal” or “salitang kalye” (in tagalog). which is from me and if will just analyze by others is wrong… or lets say which is NOT PROPERLY…