Iglesia ni Cristo members.. lets help them

[choy]

please dont give your opinion, and accusation to the INC nor invent a story so that many will believe you ok?? the INC members does not TRAINED to what you are saying… It is just that the fact that the doctrines of the catholic church are all man made and not of christ, but of church fatherss.thank you.

i’m sorry, my mistake. they are not trained, they are brainwashed. thanks for correcting me.

all doctrines of INC are from Felix Manalo who is just a man like you and me

all the doctrines of the Catholic Church also came from a man. a man who is called Jesus Christ. who happens to be also the Son of God. so the answer is Yes

 

[choy]

and then captain barbel came…
(haha) thats how your story will be. because i HEARD a story…

what kind of story is that? well, the fact that INC members give so much IMPORTANCE to the teachings of the church, and the efforts of them will not be wasted, why?? because the salvation is the most important of all. you must dont forget that! bow

i can personally attest that i have 3 very close friends who were non INC members and were forced to convert just so they can marry the person they fell in love with

i am a witness and i can say that 4square’s story is true

 

[choy]

yes. youre right! because the one who doesnt know really their fatih are the catholics! no, im not inventing just to attack the catholic church, but it is the truth! go here in the philippines to prove it! thats why most catholics joins another religion/sect.
and i you must remember choy also that there is a commandment in the bible that NONBELIEVERS must not joined or be married with the heirs of christ, or the members of christ’s church! and the fact that,(i dont know if it is the catholic church) that gave marry to same sex or the same sex marriage that contradicts gods commandments!

its false to lay blame solely on the Catholics. i know may people of many different faiths, INCs included, who have fallen from their beliefs. perhaps its time you socialize with people of different faiths and not keep yourself to people of your faith. it helps open your mind.

oh but i forgot, INC doesn’t like independent thinking

 

[choy]

and the fact the the INC ministers DO NOT discourage members to read the bible, it is just one of the myths and attacks of the nonmembers LIKE YOU!!! And whats wrong if the couple whom you met converted into the apostatized catholic church? its a choice!! please remember it! THE SALVATION is a choice, if you dont want to be saved, then do what you want! haha

technically you are right. members are strongly discouraged to the the bible itself, but read the Pasugo which is somewhat like a magazine or digest where the ministers already put their own twist to bible passages. so technically reading the Pasugo you get to read bible passages, but you don’t get to read the bible itself. so from a perspective you can say that members do get to read the bible, but not as the bible itself. because the ministers are afriad that if the people get to read the whole chapter instead of a single verse, they’ll understand whats in the Scripture better and know that the minister’s translation is false

 

[Halima]

oh yes, again and again… all about the bloc voting… thats how nonmembers react about the unity of the true church.

The unity of the True Church has been there for thousand years even before Felix Manalo, the self proclaimed “church restorer” came into the scene in the Philippines. Your bloc voting is a doctrine that you members blindly follow. What’s so funny is that you question the authority of the Pope in matters of faith and morals but you raise Felix Manalo and his clan into the status of being “little popes”, i bet, after Erano, it will be another Manalo who will lead this corporation sole registered in the Philippines.

It is but a fact that those who have negative and whatsoever comments about the bloc voting of the INC, the truth is, you cannot find the true UNITY in their church. especially catholics? do they have UNITY??? when? where? how??? or the fact that even their priests fight for their different beliefs and philosophy, right? (going to deny? oh come on!!)

Marks of a True Church?
One
Holy
Catholic
Apostolic.

You may be united as one (which most sects have) but you dont have the rest
Holy - tell me, have you produced saintly people from Iglesia ni Cristo like Mother Teresa of Calcutta who went to India and help the poorest of the poor regardless of their creed or race? NONE

Catholic - Is your church, universal? Nope. The truth is that, although you are present in more than 150 countries (perhaps) but most of those church attendance are Fililpino OFW and migrant workers. If there are foreigners, that’s because they’re married to Filipinos.

Apotolic - Your cult has no apostolic succession to claim. Simply it all started from Felix Manalo, a baptized Catholic (never baptized in the INC), once a protestant minister, until he claimed to be the “Last Messenger” unknowing that Joseph Smith of Mormons claimed it first before him…

Now before you boast of your so-called UNITY, consider the rest of the Marks ok.

 

[Halima]

so? whats the point? hello!! youre so funny, right? the catholic church has been present thousand of years thats why they are counted of almost 1billion and more. Thats when the rome missions people in the past time, by colonization i think. even in the philippines, the spaniards brought christianity to it, and in the past time even forced filipinos to be a catholic. (i hope someone will not deny the truth because it is from the history of the phi.)

Thanks for the above post read me.

1. Acknowledging Christ’s True Church which existed for thousands years (more than 2,000) would debunk your Felix Manalo’s claim of apostacy. The Church was there 2,000 years ago because Jesus, our founder promised that HIS CHURCH WILL NEVER APOTATIZED!
2. Good point, the Spaniards brought “CHRISTIANITY” (not paganism as you accused us always) in the Philippines of which you should be indebted. Without the Spaniards, Christ’s True Church will never be heard and there will be no Christian Philippines.
3. Since you believe in historical facts which we too can’t deny, you shouldn’t be selective with your facts. TRUE, some abusive Catholic friars imposed Catholicism and it’s against Catholic doctrines.

TRUE, there were abusive Catholics for 300 years of colonization but they are not the Catholic Church as a whole. Even to their own abuse, they can’t tarnish the name of Christ, just as one Judas can’t bring down Jesus with him.

The same is TRUE in history, that in July 27, 1914, Felix Manalo registered his Iglesia ni Cristo as a “Corporation Sole” owned and managed only by the Manalo clan as it was stipulated in their registration under the government. I would be asking you not to deny this FACT for it only shows that Christ’s TRUE Church never apostatized just because one man claimed to be?

and whats the point if the INC is just a millions? i will remind you that the INC is only 95 years, so, how can it attract millions and millions in just a short period of time! and the fact the the INC ministers DO NOT discourage members to read the bible, it is just one of the myths and attacks of the nonmembers LIKE YOU!!! And whats wrong if the couple whom you met converted into the apostatized catholic church? its a choice!! please remember it! THE SALVATION is a choice, if you dont want to be saved, then do what you want! haha

TRUE, the Iglesia ni Cristo (registered as Iglesia ni Cristo, not Church of Chirst) is just 95 years compared to Jesus TRUE Church which is more than 2,000 years. Use your common sense here…

TRUE, salvation is a free choice, if you dont want to be saved, then do what you want…

 

[Halima]

and i you must remember choy also that there is a commandment in the bible that NONBELIEVERS must not joined or be married with the heirs of christ, or the members of christ’s church! and the fact that,(i dont know if it is the catholic church) that **gave marry to same sex or the same sex marriage **that contradicts gods commandments!

Thanks for admitting your ignorance. The Catholic Church is the only Church in history that has the moral ascendancy to stand against such a teachings.

FYI we don’t allow marriage from other sects (so you are not original)
FYI we don’t allow divorce either
FYI we don’t allow same sex marriage, sex change etc
FYI we have the Catechism of the Catholic Church available in bookshelves and in the internet,

Do you have your official teachings available in print and in the internet or you are going to tell us to visit one of your sect temples and discuss with your ministers?

 

[choy]

The unity of the True Church has been there for thousand years even before Felix Manalo, the self proclaimed “church restorer” came into the scene in the Philippines. Your bloc voting is a doctrine that you members blindly follow. What’s so funny is that you question the authority of the Pope in matters of faith and morals but you raise Felix Manalo and his clan into the status of being “little popes”, i bet, after Erano, it will be another Manalo who will lead this corporation sole registered in the Philippines.

Marks of a True Church?
One
Holy
Catholic
Apostolic.

You may be united as one (which most sects have) but you dont have the rest
Holy - tell me, have you produced saintly people from Iglesia ni Cristo like Mother Teresa of Calcutta who went to India and help the poorest of the poor regardless of their creed or race? NONE

Catholic - Is your church, universal? Nope. The truth is that, although you are present in more than 150 countries (perhaps) but most of those church attendance are Fililpino OFW and migrant workers. If there are foreigners, that’s because they’re married to Filipinos.

Apotolic - Your cult has no apostolic succession to claim. Simply it all started from Felix Manalo, a baptized Catholic (never baptized in the INC), once a protestant minister, until he claimed to be the “Last Messenger” unknowing that Joseph Smith of Mormons claimed it first before him…

Now before you boast of your so-called UNITY, consider the rest of the Marks ok.

you can’t really be truly united unless you give yourself of your own free will
and from read_me’s statement, most of them are “forced to do good”

if being forced to do good is God’s will, i wonder why God doesn’t just force everyone to do good? surely with all His power all he needs is to utter one word and not one man will sin again. but that is not how we achieve our place in heaven. for it is important to God that we love Him, and how can we truly love if its is not from our own free will?

so no, bloc voting and attendance checking is not UNITY. true unity means giving yourself to be one for others. when you are forced into unity, then you are not really united

 

[choy]

its a choice!! please remember it! THE SALVATION is a choice, if you dont want to be saved, then do what you want! haha

funny that for you salvation is a choice, but going to INC worship is not. attendance is checked like school or an office with punch cards. actually, you guys do literally have punch cards in the INC temple

 

[choy]

You may be united as one (which most sects have) but you dont have the rest
Holy - tell me, have you produced saintly people from Iglesia ni Cristo like Mother Teresa of Calcutta who went to India and help the poorest of the poor regardless of their creed or race? NONE

i was thinking the same exact thing. Mother Theresa is a prime example of a true Catholic. one who gave herself selflessly to help other people regardless of race or religion. an Albanian Catholic nun helping Indians who are mostly Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs

 

[Halima]

funny that for you salvation is a choice, but going to INC worship is not. attendance is checked like school or an office with punch cards. actually, you guys do literally have punch cards in the INC temple

Funny but how did you know that? I heard about having that punch machine in front of their temples, just like going to an office for attendance and when one is absent a minister usually pays a visit and inquire about why a member is going cold to their cult?

good point choy, thanks for sharing.

 

[Halima]

i was thinking the same exact thing. Mother Theresa is a prime example of a true Catholic. one who gave herself selflessly to help other people regardless of race or religion. an Albanian Catholic nun helping Indians who are mostly Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs

Not even their self-proclaimed founder Felix Manalo did extra-ordinary “Christian” charitable works to lift the lives of their poor members. Instead, they collect more from their members making the Manalo clan richer every month.

The Iglesia ni Cristo, just like any sects mushrooming elsewhere is a CORPORATION SOLE, a business disguising as a “church”

 

[choy]

Funny but how did you know that? I heard about having that punch machine in front of their temples, just like going to an office for attendance and when one is absent a minister usually pays a visit and inquire about why a member is going cold to their cult?

good point choy, thanks for sharing.

i’ve heard stories of it for a long time but when a friend of mine got married, he of course had to convert to INC because the girl was INC and we attended the wedding at one of their temples. i was tempted to pull one out of the slot and check but better manners prevailed

i also have another very close friend who’s dating someone who’s INC and he tells me everything. he’s not interested in converting as he’s not a religious person

 

[4Squarebaby]

i’ve heard stories of it for a long time but when a friend of mine got married, he of course had to convert to INC because the girl was INC and we attended the wedding at one of their temples. i was tempted to pull one out of the slot and check but better manners prevailed

i also have another very close friend who’s dating someone who’s INC and he tells me everything. he’s not interested in converting as he’s not a religious person

It is the people like your friend who are the conversions. Right before the wedding they are hit with their non-aligned status with the ultimatum: convert or the marriagew and the included prize are withdrawn. For someone who really isn’t part of a faith community, just an occasional attender, formal conversion giving the award is easy.

 

[choy]

yes, my friend who converted, while he was born, raised and baptized a Catholic, was not an active member of the Chruch. even before he met the girl he already considers himself denomination-neutral. he is still a Christian but he was searching for a Church to belong to. in fact he has attended different Protestant worship services from time to time. but the decision was made for him after he decided on a spouse.

i think with most inter-faith romance involving INC women, the women themselves tell the men that the relationship will go nowhere unless they convert. my other friend who’s been dating an INC woman for some time is in a stalemate on their relationship, the girl saying she won’t let it become more serious unless he converts. but my friend is stubborn enough to think he can make it work without converting. but i don’t know how many Filipino women would risk being disowned by her family just for love.

 

[4Squarebaby]

yes, my friend who converted, while he was born, raised and baptized a Catholic, was not an active member of the Chruch. even before he met the girl he already considers himself denomination-neutral. he is still a Christian but he was searching for a Church to belong to. in fact he has attended different Protestant worship services from time to time. but the decision was made for him after he decided on a spouse.

i think with most inter-faith romance involving INC women, the women themselves tell the men that the relationship will go nowhere unless they convert. my other friend who’s been dating an INC woman for some time is in a stalemate on their relationship, the girl saying she won’t let it become more serious unless he converts. but my friend is stubborn enough to think he can make it work without converting. but i don’t know how many Filipino women would risk being disowned by her family just for love.

I agree most women or men in closed faiths should refrain from relationships until after any conversion. The only reason I’m on INC threads is because of the honey trap conversions needed the week before weddings that I have been exposed to.

 

[choy]

I agree most women or men in closed faiths should refrain from relationships until after any conversion. The only reason I’m on INC threads is because of the honey trap conversions needed the week before weddings that I have been exposed to.

so you mean there are people who were never informed they needed to convert to marry someone from INC and then on the last minute they are provided a choice to either convert or forget about the fiancee?

 

[4Squarebaby]

so you mean there are people who were never informed they needed to convert to marry someone from INC and then on the last minute they are provided a choice to either convert or forget about the fiancee?

Well there are two sides to any story. I do know they got into the reklationship with the “as long as they believe in God” understanding
And only on the final preparations did the ultimatum along with the fear of what INC papa would do if the conversion did not happen.

 

[read_me]

by your logic, there should be 4 billion Jews in the world because the Jewish faith has been around at least 6000 years (or from the time of Abraham). but there aren’t. so saying there’s only 1 million INC members because its been around 95 years is entirely wrong

so, what’s wrong if people does not embraced the faith of the jews?? and what i said is millions because it is not an exact no. but the catholic articles says that it is been i think 3-10 million INC around the world.

 

[read_me]

i’m sorry, my mistake. they are not trained, they are brainwashed. thanks for correcting me.

all doctrines of INC are from Felix Manalo who is just a man like you and me

all the doctrines of the Catholic Church also came from a man. a man who is called Jesus Christ. who happens to be also the Son of God. so the answer is Yes

no! it is also your mistake. a very common attacks to the INC. the the members are trained, etc. and being “brainwashed”… so common that i dont be surprised. well, the truth is diff from your lies,… and to prove your alligation, can you give me a doctrine of the INC that MADE from Ka Felix and not from the bible, huh? how can you say that the doctrines of the CC are from Christ’s? if even its tradition are all from pagan?? (even in some books of priest writers prove that) that god hates? and formulating doctrines, that are from the church fathers and not from Christ!