Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily

[ldv]

Welcome to the forum.

The real spin is this - that the number of illegals has grossly increased. The topic is crime as it related to illegals.

We are not in dispute about immigration and the obvious impact it had on building our country.

Everyone is welcome - though they must come here under the rules set forth.

Hello!

I would not like for anyone to think that I don’t appreciate the contributions of the immigrants within our borders, or that I don’t appreciate the desire of those who seek a better life to come here.

I do advocate for a sane immigration policy, and part of that is the recognition that somehow or another we have to get a handle on the people who are already here and come up with a solution for the problem of porous borders.

Peace!

Don

I thought about your comments and:

I can agree with you that everyone should respect the law for without it we would have chaos.

I can also agree that changes/additions can be made to the law to accommodate the influx of immigrants drawn to this country.

Unfortunately I recognize that I am not educated enough in the subject to offer a compromised solution.

I will pray today for the elected leaders of this country to come to a concise answer on the subject.

As for crime and the relation to immigrants without proper documentation I again lack the ability to speak on the subject but I know that the data presented on this thread has been questioned several times by others.

Thanks.

Luiz

Seek The Truth!

 

[jrabs]

I will pray today for the elected leaders of this country to come to a concise answer on the subject.

Amen and AMEN. I will add my prayer to yours.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

What threat is that? Again if your loved one is killed by a what -white person- it would be less painful, and if the killer was say Native American it would even hurt less? explain it to me if the white person was on parole would that change your pain also?

Now why on earth would you bring up any color factor? Or race factor?
The issue is securing the borders from all people entering illegally. That encompasses a number of folks.

So I won’ t be playing your race game today. :tiphat:

Really i doubt that, since we benefit in most every way from the people who enter and over, over, over again my friend we see self evident posting let us look

So you are denying that crimes are committed by illegals?
And where are those facts?

What I am suggesting is that any crime committed by a person here illegally is too much crime. Period.
Had such person been ***stopped cold ***at the border by what ever means, then he/she would have had no near occasion to sin.

Since you are statistical safer in a group of illegal immigrants, then why do you want to stop them. By the way is a cold person alive? how many Canadian references to you see, that is are big border?

Ituyu;1833448:

Really? Then why didn’t they apply legally?

That’s like the thief telling the judge that he really meant to buy that widget he stole. Wow it just seems as we were discussing this. Rather than paint a illegal immigrant as a Catholic looking to improve the life of his Catholic Family some one chose to compare them to a thief, what makes comparing them to a thief appropriate?

Welcome to the forum.

The real spin is this - that the number of illegals has grossly increased. The topic is crime as it related to illegals.

We are not in dispute about immigration and the obvious impact it had on building our country.

Everyone is welcome - though they must come here under the rules set forth.

Actually the title of the thread is a false claim that illegal’s kill 12 Americans a day

 

[Jeffrey]

If illegals weren’t here… there’d be 12 more alive a day. BTW… you sure that the authoer isn’t anti ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION? We all should be.

Even the author of the article, who has an extreme ANTI IMMIGRANT agenda, does NOT offer it as the TRUTH. He offers it as an “ASSUMPTION”. He probably knows that the numbers are highly massaged, manipulated and unreliable. The flaws in the “study” were shown earlier in this thread. He says:

BUT. if the numbers are correct, the the “Foreign born” kill 12 Americans and the “Native born” kill 71 Americans, then we would save far more American lives by having a higher ratio of the foreign born as the “Native born” kill six times as many Americans.

 

[Jeffrey]

Far too many.

WHY? I thought that you’ve claim not to be ANTI Legal Immigrant. A baby born here is an American Citizen and that is as legal as one can be. Besides, how many babies have “legalized” their “illegal” parents?

 

[Karin]

Far too many.

WOW!

 

[Jeffrey]

:clapping:

Now why on earth would you bring up any color factor? Or race factor?
The issue is securing the borders from all people entering illegally. That encompasses a number of folks.

So I won’ t be playing your race game today. :tiphat:

 

[Texas_Roofer]

Jeffery
This is simply a false statement

If illegals weren’t here… there’d be 12 more alive a day. BTW… you sure that the authoer isn’t anti ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION? We all should be.

 

[Jeffrey]

WOW!

 

[Carrie_Andrews]

I still feel the whole under pinnings of this thread are racist in nature. I don’t think I’m being nasty, just stating what I see. Every day I see whites looking sideways at every South American as if they are sure the person is an illegal and therefore not entitled to common courtesy. It’s an elitism that is ugly and insulting, as I believe this thread is. It seems to me this culture is always looking for a scape goat. American Indian, African Americans, Irish, then when they will no longer tolerate the behavior we find someone else to blame for all our troubles. The Mexican Americans have had a weak voice, that will change and we will find another, easier target.

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

What threat is that? Again if your loved one is killed by a what -white person- it would be less painful, and if the killer was say Native American it would even hurt less? explain it to me if the white person was on parole would that change your pain also?

Why is it that when someone brings up illegal immigration and the crimes and mayhem being committed by them it always has to resort to those who oppose illegal immigration being called racist…or racism being injected into the conversation? Do we have Sweden to our southern border? Are there estimates of 12-20 million illegal Swedes in this country?
It DOESN’T matter what color a person is when they enter this country ILLEGALLY…they are STILL illegal…

:heart:Blyss

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

True…but the last few pages have been all about this…

If you want to reduce the crime that illegals preform in this country there is only 1 solution…
TIGHTEN ALL THE BOARDERS/PORTS AND ANY OTHER ENTRY POINT!

This should have been done after 9-11…but our President did not see it as a threat. It needed to be done to stop illegals and to stop would-be terrorists from entering this country. Aftr all…doesn’t he say …over and over again we are at war with terror?

:heart:Blyss

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

Hello,

I would like to offer a positive spin on this discussion. The truth is immigrants come to this country for many reasons. Most of them searching for a better life for themselves and their families.

With that said I would like to point out that this country was founded by immigrants and continues to evolve from the ones that colonized it up to the ones that are crossing the borders today.

We should be thankfull that there so many people wanting to be part of this country and that God did and continues to bless America!

Thank you.

Luiz

PS- Seek The Truth!

LEGAL immigrants are welcome and always have been. It is the ILLEGAL who come here who are not welcome. They have seen fi to put them ahead of others who have gone by the rules and have played by the book and they have broken our laws. This is 2007…the problems we have today have absolutely NOTHING to do with what did or did not happen when this country was founded over 200 years ago and the constant refrain of…“We are a country of immigrants” doesn’t hold water today.

I also might add that those who are coming here to seek a better life are also helping to bring down the standard of living in many areas where they take up residence. They are also bringing diseases into this country that were at one time eradicated. All the more reason for them to have to come here legally. NO ONE should come to this country without a complete medical history, checkup and workup. In a country where 45 million are uninsured…it leaves us wide open for some serious problems.

:heart:Blyss

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

I still feel the whole under pinnings of this thread are racist in nature. I don’t think I’m being nasty, just stating what I see. Every day I see whites looking sideways at every South American as if they are sure the person is an illegal and therefore not entitled to common courtesy. It’s an elitism that is ugly and insulting, as I believe this thread is. It seems to me this culture is always looking for a scape goat. American Indian, African Americans, Irish, then when they will no longer tolerate the behavior we find someone else to blame for all our troubles. The Mexican Americans have had a weak voice, that will change and we will find another, easier target.

I think you are seeing alot of what you want to see. Many on this thread have stated over and over IF YOU WERE READING…that race has nothing to do with it and skin color has nothing to do with it. Those who are coming through illegally are predominatly HISPANIC. LOL…the Hispanics have a weak voice? that wasn’t what I was seeing last spring when they had their rallies. They were speaking loud and clear and were in our faces.

:heart:Blyss

 

[Ituyu]

This should have been done after 9-11…but our President did not see it as a threat. It needed to be done to stop illegals and to stop would-be terrorists from entering this country. Aftr all…doesn’t he say …over and over again we are at war with terror?

:heart:Blyss

Yes but not one terrorist related to 9/11 came in illegally through our southern border. They all came in through legal means. So what kind of sense does it make to focus on a portion of our southern border. None! And, there is no justification for the criminalization of those who come here to do the work we want and need them to do.

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

jrabs;1833470:

Wow it just seems as we were discussing this. Rather than paint a illegal immigrant as a Catholic looking to improve the life of his Catholic Family some one chose to compare them to a thief, what makes comparing them to a thief appropriate?

Actually the title of the thread is a false claim that illegal’s kill 12 Americans a day

They do commit alot of the crimes however. They are a criminal just by the virtue of them coming through the border illegally.

I think of the poor Americans who were unforrtunate enough to have their identities stolen by illegals when they had stolen SS cards…and the meat packing plants were raided last month.

I have seen a BIG upsurge of crimes being committed by people who are here illegally. That is just the way it is…

:heart:Blyss

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

Yes but not one terrorist related to 9/11 came in illegally through our southern border. They all came in through legal means. So what kind of sense does it make to focus on a portion of our southern border. None! And, there is no justification for the criminalization of those who come here to do the work we want and need them to do.

It makes sense to focus on the borders both north and south and the ports. There have also been insatnces of middle eastern men taking on Hispanic persons and enetering through the southern border. There are MANY reason to shut that border off and terrorism and the threat of terrorism is just one of many. YOU do not know who might choose to come into this country via the borders. Do you? No, I didn’t think so.

By asking what kind of sense does it make to focus on a aportion of the southern border only tells me…you have no clue whatsoever…

:heart:Blyss

 

[Ituyu]

They do commit alot of the crimes however. They are a criminal just by the virtue of them coming through the border illegally.

Hopefully, we will have the intelligence to recognize that there was no need to criminalize a person who comes here to do the work we need and legalize them. That will take pressure off the border without wasting resources.

I think of the poor Americans who were unforrtunate enough to have their identities stolen by illegals when they had stolen SS cards…and the meat packing plants were raided last month.

The “poor” American could have easily been spared any undue inconvenience by a more responsible immigration policy.

I have seen a BIG upsurge of crimes being committed by people who are here illegally. That is just the way it is…

Care to document that through some responsible and legitmate source. Please stop relying on biased groups like WND, Fair, CIS etc etc. Use some government or official sources please not some fanciful spin like the article of this thread.

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

Obviously, you do NOT read newspapers or get your news on the television. It was ALL OVER THE NEWS last month when the packing plant raids were going on in the midwest…where I live. Dozens of illegals were arrested and charged with stealing the SS cards and identities of law abiding American citizens. Google it if you want…I won’t do your work for you. However, maybe you should try to get in touch with what is actually going on in this country. I also don’t get my sources from any group…so you are being presumptious. Maybe YOU do, however.

:heart:Blyss

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[Ituyu]

It makes sense to focus on the borders both north and south and the ports.

Really why? We’ve taken that route for the past 20 years and it has not yielded what you want. That’s good thing too becaue we needed them here.

There have also been insatnces of middle eastern men taking on Hispanic persons and enetering through the southern border.