Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily

[Ituyu]

Ituyu;1835552:

Obviously, you do NOT read newspapers or get your news on the television. It was ALL OVER THE NEWS last month when the packing plant raids were going on in the midwest…where I live. Dozens of illegals were arrested and charged with stealing the SS cards and identities of law abiding American citizens. Google it if you want…I won’t do your work for you. However, maybe you should try to get in touch with what is actually going on in this country. I also don’t get my sources from any group…so you are being presumptious. Maybe YOU do, however.

:heart:Blyss

Sorry Blyss but a stolen or fabricated SS# is not the same as ID theft. ID theft is when somebody uses your credit and leaves your holding the bag. Somebody adding to your SS account is not that.

So how many of those people from the raids were actual “terrorists”? None. So why is it you’re focusing on them again? Our security?

 

[Jeffrey]

So we’re supposed to wait until someone does?

Besides… the illegal aliens came over illegally… no reason they should be allowed to stay here. They weren’t allowed in the first place.

Yes but not one terrorist related to 9/11 came in illegally through our southern border. They all came in through legal means. So what kind of sense does it make to focus on a portion of our southern border. None! And, there is no justification for the criminalization of those who come here to do the work we want and need them to do.

 

[Carrie_Andrews]

I think you are seeing alot of what you want to see. Many on this thread have stated over and over IF YOU WERE READING…that race has nothing to do with it and skin color has nothing to do with it. Those who are coming through illegally are predominatly HISPANIC. LOL…the Hispanics have a weak voice? that wasn’t what I was seeing last spring when they had their rallies. They were speaking loud and clear and were in our faces.

:heart:Blyss

Well, that’s your opinion, it doesn’t change mine. Yes, I did read the posts, I said underpinnings, meaning the unspoken point. I said I’ve seen how anyone from South American is assumed to be illegal from the behavior I see from fellow US citizens, that’s raceist, as is the unspoken point of this thread. I said, Mexican Americans HAVE HAD a weak voice, I can see that is changeing, and see we are in agreement with that. Were in our faces? Nobody was in my face, the rallies where well covered by the media with there own agenda in mind. What’s with the angree face?

 

[Carrie_Andrews]

This is 2007…the problems we have today have absolutely NOTHING to do with what did or did not happen when this country was founded over 200 years ago and the constant refrain of…“We are a country of immigrants” doesn’t hold water today.

"How do you figure this statement? It’s true because you say so? If you don’t take history into account nothing makes sense. We were founded over 200 years ago, but that was just the start of immigration, not the end point. Why doesn’t it hold water today, that discounts everyone who’s come here since the revolutionary war as what? "

“Those who come here to seek a better way of life are helping to bring down the standard of living”? Do you HEAR yourself?

 

[Walt_Oliver]

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Thank you for your cooperation in keeping discussions in this forum both civil and on-topic.

 

[Karin]

This should have been done after 9-11…but our President did not see it as a threat. It needed to be done to stop illegals and to stop would-be terrorists from entering this country. Aftr all…doesn’t he say …over and over again we are at war with terror?

:heart:Blyss

you and I can agree on this Blyss…
Yes the Borders and All other points of entry should of been tightened…and NO it has not ocured…I live and fly out of EWR often since 9/11 security is no better than before 9/11 !

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

BlyssfulDreamer;1835501:

This is 2007…the problems we have today have absolutely NOTHING to do with what did or did not happen when this country was founded over 200 years ago and the constant refrain of…“We are a country of immigrants” doesn’t hold water today.

"How do you figure this statement? It’s true because you say so? If you don’t take history into account nothing makes sense. We were founded over 200 years ago, but that was just the start of immigration, not the end point. Why doesn’t it hold water today, that discounts everyone who’s come here since the revolutionary war as what? "

“Those who come here to seek a better way of life are helping to bring down the standard of living”? Do you HEAR yourself?

This is a fact in many areas. A former co-worker lives in a mobile home park and that park has become quite populated with Hispanics…the crime has gone up…their children are out of control…she has had her home and automobile vandalized…the perps were Hispanic…illegal by the way and their homes look like ghettos. Their children and some adults are often seen urinating outside and after 20 years there she is putting her home on the market for sale. I would not be saying this if it were not happening carrie. It is most unfortunate and while I realize that this is not the case with all Hispanics it is true of many.

We cannot go back 200 hundred years…we have to live in the here and now. While immigration helped make this country great…in many respects today oiur country is becoming too divided by nationalities who do not want to assimilate and are content living in their own groups and speaking their own languages.

You still do not understand how the problems of today are different than 200 years ago? geesh…

:heart:Blyss

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

Well, that’s your opinion, it doesn’t change mine. Yes, I did read the posts, I said underpinnings, meaning the unspoken point. I said I’ve seen how anyone from South American is assumed to be illegal from the behavior I see from fellow US citizens, that’s raceist, as is the unspoken point of this thread. I said, Mexican Americans HAVE HAD a weak voice, I can see that is changeing, and see we are in agreement with that. Were in our faces? Nobody was in my face, the rallies where well covered by the media with there own agenda in mind. What’s with the angree face?

Well, they WERE in the faces of people in MY city. I know because I was stuck at the stop light the day they had the rallies here and I saw for myself what many think of us. If shaking a fist and yelling at people sitting in their cars isn’t indicative of an “in your face” mentality then I don’t know what it. They also had their trucks with Mexican flags flying and hispanic music blaring.

You might also want to Google “Baldwin Park”…about rallies in California where the American citizens were told to go back to Europe…that this was their country.

Don’t look for unspoken point*…read the written word*. It seems many have enough trouble doing that without becoming mind readers.

Your comments about people and their views being racist is going way over the mark and also proves that you know nothing about what you are talking about. I, as well as others have stated over and over that it has nothing to do with race or color…but everything to do with coming here ILLEGALLY no matter where you come from. So…cut the “racist” remarks…

:heart:Blyss

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

BlyssfulDreamer;1835580:

Ituyu;1835552:

Sorry Blyss but a stolen or fabricated SS# is not the same as ID theft. ID theft is when somebody uses your credit and leaves your holding the bag. Somebody adding to your SS account is not that.

So how many of those people from the raids were actual “terrorists”? None. So why is it you’re focusing on them again? Our security?

You aren’t concerned about open borders and terrorists? You are George Bush’s dream come true. You don’t expect much and you are gettting even less.

Actually…when you have someone’s SS card you can open up accounts and that is what happened to one poor woman interviewed on TV. But, I guess it is OK with you if they just steal SS cards…right? Well, hopefully it will be yours and not mine. I have excellent credit that I want to keep.

:heart:Blyss

 

[pnewton]

If we amend the Constitution or otherwise change the law, then yes we can legally discriminate between children born to non-naturalized citizens and Americans.

That is a big “if”. It will never happen. It would require two thirds of Americans agreeing with it.

Your imperfect interpretation of Church teaching is not a bludgeon to be used in an argument over points of law and policy;
If my interpretation is faulty from a standpoint of Catholic teaching, then where? That is all I am asking (again). Christ in the parable of the good Samaritan illustrated that race or origin is not a point of distinction on treatment of others. These “illegals” are our neighbors in the eyes of God. Their children are His children We complain about healthcare cost. Perhaps it is providence that in Jesus’ parable that he even included healthcare.

I do not apologize for bringing Christ into this discussion. I have called individual names. But being a Christian forum, I am surprised everyone ignores the Bible and Church teaching in the post. Our Church has a history of being a refuge or protection for these people. If this offends everyone here, the the Catholic part of CAF needs to be dropped. Again, where is the charity?

 

[Karin]

You might also want to Google “Baldwin Park”…about rallies in California where the American citizens were told to go back to Europe…that this was their country.

:heart:Blyss

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[pnewton]

FYI -

2241 The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.

Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants’ duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.

A couple of notes. All those who come here are to be treated as guest. Should they have come here legally? Of course. They have the obligation to respect our laws. But our duty to them is not negated by their status.

 

[Ituyu]

You aren’t concerned about open borders and terrorists? You are George Bush’s dream come true. You don’t expect much and you are gettting even less.

Sorry Blyss but I have supported the control of our borders through wise and effective policies and not through wasteful projects or reactionary ethnocentric or nativist agendas. I don’t support “open borders”.

Actually…when you have someone’s SS card you can open up accounts and that is what happened to one poor woman interviewed on TV. But, I guess it is OK with you if they just steal SS cards…right? Well, hopefully it will be yours and not mine. I have excellent credit that I want to keep.

Unfortunately, I CAN speak to this issue as I was a victim of Identity Theft and someone tried over the holidays, once again, to take advantage of my excellent credit rating but failed. In order to successfully victimize someone you need more than a SS#. You also assume that person’s identity including name as your own. An “illegal” Latino will not use the name Will Smith as his own and the usual MO is to just make up a number, borrow one from somebody they know, or to buy a fake card with their name on it in which case they don’t have sufficient information to assume an identity. And, NO I don’t think it’s OK to steal anything but I also don’t think that it is ok to unjustifiably deny people legal entry. Our actions caused the other. That’s one reason we need reform.

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

Karin…

Thank you for posting those pictures. I think they support my claim very well that a good portion of the Latinos who come into this country are doing so with more than just getting a decent paying job.

Suuuuurrrely, you do not support those comments made on those signs…do you?

:heart:Blyss

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

theamericanresistance.com/thousand_words/baldwin_park_2005may14.html

I hope you folks who think that the Latinos are here justn to get decent jobs will c/p the above link into your browser and go to the site about the baldwin park rallies. Unless you absolutely despise your own country, I cannot see how you could be anything other than outraged at the behavior of those who are here illegally.

Someone mentioned about treating immigrants as guests…legals I would…illegals have no place being here and should be treated like the criminals they are.

:heart:Blyss

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

Screams of “death to the rednecks” and “Zarqawi the Gringo killer, yes!, yes!” displayed the mood and the message of the counter protesters. I particularly remember when our group of “Gringos” was told to get out of the shade and into the sun so we could get skin cancer and die.

This was not about Illegal Immigrants who want to do the jobs that no American will do. This was about Reconquista, revolution and taking back the Western United States for Mexico.

***This is from the link in my previous post. All Latinos are just here for decent jobs…yeah…right…

:heart:Blyss***

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

ssa.gov/pubs/10064.html

Ituyu…Please take the time to go to this site.

:heart:Blyss

 

[BlyssfulDreamer]

Identity theft is one of the fastest growing crimes in America. When a dishonest person has your Social Security number, the thief can use it to get other personal information about you. Most of the time identity thieves use your number and your good credit to apply for more credit in your name. Then, they use the credit cards and do not pay the bills. You do not find out that someone is using your number until you are turned down for credit, or you begin to get calls from unknown creditors demanding payment for items you never bought.

Someone illegally using your Social Security number and assuming your identity can cause a lot of problems.

**Sorry, this is from the link in my previous post. I am used to MSN groups and haven’t learned yet how to insert both link and text, so bear with me.

Ituyu…this clearly states that by someone having and using your Social Security card they could wreak havoc with your life. Why do you suppose people are told to not carry their SS card with them? Women are told not to carry them in their purses and you are told to put them into a secure place?**

:heart:Blyss

 

[Karin]

Suuuuurrrely, you do not support those comments made on those signs…do you?

:heart:Blyss

well I am not Latino Blyss…
but ya know history does say that the USA did steal the land from someone if I recall correctly (but then this was a USA Public School I learned history in so who knows if it was accurate )

 

[Ituyu]

Identity theft is one of the fastest growing crimes in America. When a dishonest person has your Social Security number, the thief can use it to get other personal information about you. Most of the time identity thieves use your number and your good credit to apply for more credit in your name. Then, they use the credit cards and do not pay the bills. You do not find out that someone is using your number until you are turned down for credit, or you begin to get calls from unknown creditors demanding payment for items you never bought.

Someone illegally using your Social Security number and assuming your identity can cause a lot of problems.

Sorry, this is from the link in my previous post. I am used to MSN groups and haven’t learned yet how to insert both link and text, so bear with me.

Ituyu…this clearly states that by someone having and using your Social Security card they could wreak havoc with your life. Why do you suppose people are told to not carry their SS card with them? Women are told not to carry them in their purses and you are told to put them into a secure place?

:heart:Blyss

Blyss,

I read the article. There are two elements that make for identity theft. Only one has been associated with those using them for jobs. They ordinarily do not use them to assume an identity. If they had, in the legalization back in 1986 they would not have qualified for legalization because that is a serious crime which most are not guilty of. That would have been a part of the background check. So why do you insist on painting those that come here for jobs with the same brush with those who assume the identity of another person by gathering, birth dates, mother’s maiden names, drivers’ licenses, addresses and credit card numbers as well?