Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily

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So how do you know this crowd contained any illegal’s? Maybe these were simply Americans so sick of the obvious race issues they are trying to communicate they would rather their native land be free of Anglo rather that free of the indigenize people?
This is why you cannot be taken seriously Tex…while I am willing to acquiesce to the fact that not all of the protestors were ILLEGAL…you cannot use logic and state that not all were LEGAL. Therefore further comments made to your posts would only serve to make you more delusional. It appears to me that you are a person who also has a negative feeling for this country and you will take the side of the illegal immigrant no matter what they say or do and that is being dishonest.😦

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"We believe that the genuine identities of possibly hundreds of US citizens are being stolen or hijacked by criminal organizations

and sold to illegal aliens in order to gain unlawful employment in this country," said Julie Myers, ICE assistant secretary. She called it “a disturbing front in the war against illegal immigration.”

Yes Blyss, our policies have provided a thriving business for many criminals.

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This is taken from the link in #236. It shows that it was obviously a bad idea to provide amnesty in 1986. Those who were lucky enough to be given legal status have used it against us.
 
These are huge numbers. If the illegal aliens were content to just use these cards to obtain employment would be one thing, but to use them to borrow money and obtain credit cards is another thing entirely. Lost in this discussion is that using an illegally obtained social security card is a felony and for good reason. Lives can be destroyed by the improper use of these cards.

“We’ve had this ridiculous situation where, theoretically, this information could be shared and we could identify these people and repair the situation,” said Marti Dinerstein, a fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies, a nonprofit organization that supports tighter restrictions on immigration. “Falsely using a Social Security number is a felony. Our own federal agencies are working against those laws. The I.R.S. says privacy laws prevent them from sharing information. So we know who the guilty employers are. The I.R.S. knows who the guilty employees are. And nothing’s being done about it.”

The law which disallows the IRS from sharing this information with the proper authorities needs to change. As the following paragraph shows, people’s lives are being damaged by the illegal use of social security numbers.

When the numbers belong to children, the problems can start when they turn 18, said Jay Foley, a founder and director of the Identity Theft Resource Center in San Diego, a nonprofit organization that helps victims and proposes legislation. “Now the child goes for student loans or jobs, and the companies say, ‘You’ve got a problem of bad credit. We aren’t going to touch you.’ ”
From now on, my daughter will have these falsely obtained credit cards and debt on her credit history and there is not a thing she can do about it.

Without going into the issue of how the illegal aliens broke the law to enter this country, what does all of this mean? It means that illegal aliens are not just depressing wages, they are not just absorbing social funds intended for Americans for welfare, for hospitalization and to educate their children. Illegal aliens are also using illegally obtained social security cards and are ruining lives by borrowing money with an assumed identity with no intention of paying the debt. When most illegal aliens are using these illegally obtained social security numbers, this is not a victimless crime. This is yet another reason to oppose illegal immigration.

From the link in the above post…sure Tex…just good old illegals wgo are trying to get “honest” work…no matter who they defraud and whose lives they hurt.

:heart:Blyss
 
This is why you cannot be taken seriously Tex…while ***I am willing to acquiesce ***to the fact that not all of the protestors were ILLEGAL…you cannot use logic and state that not all were LEGAL. Therefore further comments made to your posts would only serve to make you more delusional. It appears to me that you are a person who also has a negative feeling for this country and you will take the side of the illegal immigrant no matter what they say or do and that is being dishonest.😦

:heart:Blyss
therightstate.com/2006/09/05/illegal-aliens-ruin-lives-using-illegally-obtained-social-security-numbers/

Tex…I really think you are smarter than to just assume the only problems law abiding citizens have with an illegal using stolen SS cards is having extra money put into their accounts. Oh my gosh:rolleyes:

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BLYSS
How to you know any individual in that crowd was and illegal immigrant???
 
These are huge numbers. If the illegal aliens were content to just use these cards to obtain employment would be one thing, but to use them to borrow money and obtain credit cards is another thing entirely. Lost in this discussion is that using an illegally obtained social security card is a felony and for good reason. Lives can be destroyed by the improper use of these cards.

“We’ve had this ridiculous situation where, theoretically, this information could be shared and we could identify these people and repair the situation,” said Marti Dinerstein, a fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies, a nonprofit organization that supports tighter restrictions on immigration. “Falsely using a Social Security number is a felony. Our own federal agencies are working against those laws. The I.R.S. says privacy laws prevent them from sharing information. So we know who the guilty employers are. The I.R.S. knows who the guilty employees are. And nothing’s being done about it.”

The law which disallows the IRS from sharing this information with the proper authorities needs to change. As the following paragraph shows, people’s lives are being damaged by the illegal use of social security numbers.

When the numbers belong to children, the problems can start when they turn 18, said Jay Foley, a founder and director of the Identity Theft Resource Center in San Diego, a nonprofit organization that helps victims and proposes legislation. “Now the child goes for student loans or jobs, and the companies say, ‘You’ve got a problem of bad credit. We aren’t going to touch you.’ ”
From now on, my daughter will have these falsely obtained credit cards and debt on her credit history and there is not a thing she can do about it.

Without going into the issue of how the illegal aliens broke the law to enter this country, what does all of this mean? It means that illegal aliens are not just depressing wages, they are not just absorbing social funds intended for Americans for welfare, for hospitalization and to educate their children. Illegal aliens are also using illegally obtained social security cards and are ruining lives by borrowing money with an assumed identity with no intention of paying the debt. When most illegal aliens are using these illegally obtained social security numbers, this is not a victimless crime. This is yet another reason to oppose illegal immigration.

From the link in the above post…sure Tex…just good old illegals wgo are trying to get “honest” work…no matter who they defraud and whose lives they hurt.

:heart:Blyss
Facts Blyss where are your facts?? These are accusations try to get some facts and compare them to Anglo crimes, you may be a better person if you read the facts
 
Facts Blyss where are your facts?? These are accusations try to get some facts and compare them to Anglo crimes, you may be a better person if you read the facts
It is obvious you are not reading anything put before you. Where are YOUR Facts that say that:
  1. Illegals are not commitiing any crimes in this country?
  2. Illegals do NOT use stolen SS cards for fraudulent purposes
  3. All illegals are here legally
  4. All illegals are hard working and have their very own SS card
This is as ridiculous as your comments. You might be a better person IF you read the facts…

:heart:Blyss
 
These are huge numbers. If the illegal aliens were content to just use these cards to obtain employment would be one thing, but to use them to borrow money and obtain credit cards is another thing entirely. Lost in this discussion is that using an illegally obtained social security card is a felony and for good reason. Lives can be destroyed by the improper use of these cards.

“We’ve had this ridiculous situation where, theoretically, this information could be shared and we could identify these people and repair the situation,” said Marti Dinerstein, a fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies, a nonprofit organization that supports tighter restrictions on immigration. “Falsely using a Social Security number is a felony. Our own federal agencies are working against those laws. The I.R.S. says privacy laws prevent them from sharing information. So we know who the guilty employers are. The I.R.S. knows who the guilty employees are. And nothing’s being done about it.”

The law which disallows the IRS from sharing this information with the proper authorities needs to change. As the following paragraph shows, people’s lives are being damaged by the illegal use of social security numbers.

When the numbers belong to children, the problems can start when they turn 18, said Jay Foley, a founder and director of the Identity Theft Resource Center in San Diego, a nonprofit organization that helps victims and proposes legislation. “Now the child goes for student loans or jobs, and the companies say, ‘You’ve got a problem of bad credit. We aren’t going to touch you.’ ”
From now on, my daughter will have these falsely obtained credit cards and debt on her credit history and there is not a thing she can do about it.

Without going into the issue of how the illegal aliens broke the law to enter this country, what does all of this mean? It means that illegal aliens are not just depressing wages, they are not just absorbing social funds intended for Americans for welfare, for hospitalization and to educate their children. Illegal aliens are also using illegally obtained social security cards and are ruining lives by borrowing money with an assumed identity with no intention of paying the debt. When most illegal aliens are using these illegally obtained social security numbers, this is not a victimless crime. This is yet another reason to oppose illegal immigration.

From the link in the above post…sure Tex…just good old illegals wgo are trying to get “honest” work…no matter who they defraud and whose lives they hurt.

:heart:Blyss
You do know that it’s another far right fringe group? Most of it is half truths used to justify their hate agenda. But, “illegals” in the balance do not depress wages, they do not create more unemployment, they pay taxes and they under utilize social services as well as provide us with much economic growth that in terms of our population, increases jobs and creates higher paying jobs for middle management. That’s what consensus among economists will tell you. Anti Immigrant organizations will tell YOU exactly what you want to hear.
 
Well, they WERE in the faces of people in MY city. I know because I was stuck at the stop light the day they had the rallies here and I saw for myself what many think of us. If shaking a fist and yelling at people sitting in their cars isn’t indicative of an “in your face” mentality then I don’t know what it. They also had their trucks with Mexican flags flying and hispanic music blaring.

You might also want to Google “Baldwin Park”…about rallies in California where the American citizens were told to go back to Europe…that this was their country.

Don’t look for unspoken point*…read the written word*. It seems many have enough trouble doing that without becoming mind readers.

Your comments about people and their views being racist is going way over the mark and also proves that you know nothing about what you are talking about. I, as well as others have stated over and over that it has nothing to do with race or color…but everything to do with coming here ILLEGALLY no matter where you come from. So…cut the “racist” remarks…

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I said the immigration didn’t just stop 200 years ago, it’s been an on going process, how many millions of Irish came over during the 18 + 1900’s? There were posted signs saying “Irish need not apply”, not that long ago. See, what I mean now?
I so did not call you a racist, and I look for the meaning behind everything in life, don’t you? I happen to be very intelligent and compassionate. I do know something about what I’m talking about, and sorry I’ve given you the impression that I don’t. I’m opting out of this conversation, not because I feel I haven’t made valid points, but because this is just sad. I will say that the signs and remarks made were made by the minority of the immigrants. I’d hate to think someone would think that because I’m pro-life, I’d be happy with some of the murders and other sick things a few pro-lifers have done. Ending on a friendly note, Bliss, I can see you have very strong feelings on this issue, I have lived in Arizonia for breif periods of time, but can not pretend to know in depth how you feel.
 
It is obvious you are not reading anything put before you. Where are YOUR Facts that say that:
  1. Illegals are not commitiing any crimes in this country?
  2. Illegals do NOT use stolen SS cards for fraudulent purposes
  3. All illegals are here legally
  4. All illegals are hard working and have their very own SS card
This is as ridiculous as your comments. You might be a better person IF you read the facts…

:heart:Blyss
So you have no facts?

I am not making accusations against these people that Blyss is* -uh- *you! As far as I know the people in those pictures are Americans, and do not commit crimes, I have accused no one of thief, I have no accusations to justify And I do not need personal attacks to deflect my earilier statements - SO how do you know some of the people in those pictures are ILLEGAL, **what do you see **that lets you know that?
 
So you have no facts?

I am not making accusations against these people that Blyss is* -uh- *you! As far as I know the people in those pictures are Americans, and do not commit crimes, I have accused no one of thief, I have no accusations to justify And I do not need personal attacks to deflect my earilier statements - SO how do you know some of the people in those pictures are ILLEGAL, **what do you see **that lets you know that?
It appears you have NO facts either. It also appears we are at a stalemate because you do not read the links I have posted and you make ridiculous claims and I see no further reason to debate you because you are not logical and verge on the irrational. You really should get your head out of the sand and get some fresh air…👍

:heart:Blyss
 
Ending on a friendly note, Bliss, I can see you have very strong feelings on this issue, I have lived in Arizonia for breif periods of time, but can not pretend to know in depth how you feel.
Carrie, it has been a pleasure debating you. You are a strong and passionate woman and I admire that. We are both intense in our feelings brought on by experiences in our lives. I certainly wish you well and respect your viewpoint.🙂

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You are prolly talking about American Indians… Mexicans are not American Indians… we bought the land from Mexico.
well I am not Latino Blyss…😃
but ya know history does say that the USA did steal the land from someone if I recall correctly (but then this was a USA Public School I learned history in so who knows if it was accurate;) 😃 )
 
Thoise protestors are wrong. And those signs are not historically accurate.

They should’ve had ICE there… had a check point…bet they woulda found lots of illegals.
If either side was innocent then maybe you would have a point. But, let’s face it this WAS NOT about “illegals”. This was about the Save Our State campaign from outside of that community that offended all Hispanics in Baldwin Park by taking quotes from a work of art OUT OF CONTEXT. What they were most inflamed about was a quote from an Anglo resident of Baldwin Park which was twisted as some sort of RECONQUISTA remark. It was an Anglo being quoted. If you’re going to make these provacative statements, why not take the time to know what you’re talking about? Look at the signs. Do you think “illegals” wrote them? Historically, weren’t they accurate?
 
You are prolly talking about American Indians… Mexicans are not American Indians… we bought the land from Mexico.
At gunpoint. You are right that the Spaniards that settled Mexico were not native. Rather, they were more enthusiastic conquorers than the French or English. But I do not know of any other way to view the Spanish-American War except as a war of conquest.

I do not see the relevance of this historical era to today’s issue with immigration, though. If someone thinks that it gives Mexicans some type of claim to the Southwest, then I would also like to point out the historical fact the America **did **win. So using that war doesn’t help their case.
 
You are prolly talking about American Indians… Mexicans are not American Indians… we bought the land from Mexico.
American Indians are the indigenous people on this continent. Mexican Indians are also indigenous peoples of this continent. They are both part of the same indigenous peoples that pre-dated our coming. They didn’t have borders. They migrated here, they didn’t immigrate here. We immigrated here. We stole the land from the indigenous. The land in Mexico was also stolen from the indigenous and we stole it from them. We bought it? We set the price and then went about stealing properties from the title holders. Mexicans, Central and South Americans are all part of the indigenous groups that pre-dated us. Who bought the land from the indigenous? Oh yeah, I forgot, that’s the way it was done back then. I guess that makes it right? But, today they take high risks to come to work and we say they have broken into our home. We are better off for their coming. Oh, how terrible they are.
 
That was then… this is now… pnewton is right… it doesn’t help the illegals cause.

If ppl are here illegally… deport them. Something that happened hundreds of years ago…is of no matter now.
American Indians are the indigenous people on this continent. Mexican Indians are also indigenous peoples of this continent. They are both part of the same indigenous peoples that pre-dated our coming. They didn’t have borders. They migrated here, they didn’t immigrate here. We immigrated here. We stole the land from the indigenous. The land in Mexico was also stolen from the indigenous and we stole it from them. We bought it? We set the price and then went about stealing properties from the title holders. Mexicans, Central and South Americans are all part of the indigenous groups that pre-dated us. Who bought the land from the indigenous? Oh yeah, I forgot, that’s the way it was done back then. I guess that makes it right? But, today they take high risks to come to work and we say they have broken into our home. We are better off for their coming. Oh, how terrible they are.
 
Thoise protestors are wrong. And those signs are not historically accurate.

They should’ve had ICE there… had a check point…bet they woulda found lots of illegals.
Oh, what part was not accurate? Would you correct them please?
 
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