Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily

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Screams of “death to the rednecks” and “Zarqawi the Gringo killer, yes!, yes!” displayed the mood and the message of the counter protesters. I particularly remember when our group of “Gringos” was told to get out of the shade and into the sun so we could get skin cancer and die.

This was not about Illegal Immigrants who want to do the jobs that no American will do. This was about Reconquista, revolution and taking back the Western United States for Mexico.

This is from the link in my previous post. All Latinos are just here for decent jobs…yeah…right…

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If either side was innocent then maybe you would have a point. But, let’s face it this WAS NOT about “illegals”. This was about the Save Our State campaign from outside of that community that offended all Hispanics in Baldwin Park by taking quotes from a work of art OUT OF CONTEXT. What they were most inflamed about was a quote from an Anglo resident of Baldwin Park which was twisted as some sort of RECONQUISTA remark. It was an Anglo being quoted. If you’re going to make these provacative statements, why not take the time to know what you’re talking about? Look at the signs. Do you think “illegals” wrote them? Historically, weren’t they accurate?
 
well I am not Latino Blyss…😃
but ya know history does say that the USA did steal the land from someone if I recall correctly (but then this was a USA Public School I learned history in so who knows if it was accurate;) 😃 )
LOL…did I say you were a Latino? There you go with your America bashing again.

:heart:Blyss
 
**Identity theft is one of the fastest growing crimes in America. When a dishonest person has your Social Security number, the thief can use it to get other personal information about you. Most of the time identity thieves use your number and your good credit to apply for more credit in your name. Then, they use the credit cards and do not pay the bills. You do not find out that someone is using your number until you are turned down for credit, or you begin to get calls from unknown creditors demanding payment for items you never bought.

Someone illegally using your Social Security number and assuming your identity can cause a lot of problems. **

Ituyu…this is straight from the government website. Ahhh…but then you know more about it than the government. Denial…that’s what you are about…

:heart:Blyss
 
Bless

Hate speech is hate speech, crime is crime, it does not matter what, or who produces it whether they originator is white or non white, the action is still bad. I am sorry to hear there are some crime related problems where you live however are you being fair? Is the crime rate by illegal greater or are the crimes more sever? The answer is almost always a resounding NO. Illegal would have to commit more than 200,000 crimes per year just to match the legal population. The reason illegal’s crimes rates are lower is simple illegal’s pay a very high price for any association with crime thus it is rare however people who hate the Mexicans publicize any such crime as much as possible.

I’ll also believe the problem has been continues since the U.S. expanded in to much of the South West. You may know Santa Ana signed away Texas but I have never seen a legal signature transferring the title of the areas known as California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Utah, etc., etc, The US did purchase the Louisiana Territory which shows no deed to the aforementioned areas. More importantly I know of no time which has pasted since then in which those indigenous people of that area have not suffered some form of discrimination. If you read this thread or the dozens of others where is the same things said of Canadians? Anglo from various other countries? I see 99% of the comment referred to Mexican, Latino, etc.

When you see a crime or a protest how do you know the people are illegal? Maybe every single person in those pictures is an American!
 
If either side was innocent then maybe you would have a point. But, let’s face it this WAS NOT about “illegals”. Look at the signs. Do you think “illegals” wrote them? Historically, weren’t they accurate?
The illegals made it about them. Do you think telling Americans to leave our country is right? Should we turn the Southwest over to Hispanics? Should we just open the border completely (as if it isn’t now) to let everyone through? Why do you dislike this country so much that you would take sides against it? I’d love an answer…

:heart:Blyss
 
What does this have to do with illegal immigration? do you have a shred of proof illegal immigrants are the cause of this?
**Identity theft is one of the fastest growing crimes in America. When a dishonest person has your Social Security number, the thief can use it to get other personal information about you. Most of the time identity thieves use your number and your good credit to apply for more credit in your name. Then, they use the credit cards and do not pay the bills. You do not find out that someone is using your number until you are turned down for credit, or you begin to get calls from unknown creditors demanding payment for items you never bought.

Someone illegally using your Social Security number and assuming your identity can cause a lot of problems. **

Ituyu…this is straight from the government website. Ahhh…but then you know more about it than the government. Denial…that’s what you are about…

:heart:Blyss
 
Bless .

When you see a crime or a protest how do you know the people are illegal? Maybe every single person in those pictures is an American!
What would the odds of that being the case…LOL. Highly unlikely…and you know that very well…

:heart:Blyss
 
Someone illegally using your Social Security number

and

assuming your identity can cause a lot of problems.


Ituyu…this is straight from the government website. Ahhh…but then you know more about it than the government. Denial…that’s what you are about…

:heart:Blyss
No, Blyss I’m not disputing the document just your interpretation of it. Where do find that the “illegals” are guilty as a group of both elements of ID Theft? You don’t because it’s not there, is it? If they were guilty of such a crime, in all probability, that would disqualify them from a legalization process. It didn’t happen the last time. Why do you think it is true now? Don’t you think that a little proof would be in order?
 
What would the odds of that being the case…LOL. Highly unlikely…and you know that very well…

:heart:Blyss
The odds they are US citizens is very high, so what is it YOU SEE that creates a belief these people must be illegal immigrants
 
What would the odds of that being the case…LOL. Highly unlikely…and you know that very well…

:heart:Blyss
As an hispanic American whose family has been here in America for four hundren years, I can say it is very likely. I have been accuesed on numerious times of being illegel because I happen to speak Spanish. I have been to told that I cannot be American. I think that is funny since I am more American than the Anglo American who loves to throw these accusations at us Hispanics.

I really think that before people start to throw out statement such as these they really need to re read or just read their American History.

Hispanics have been here for well over four hundred years and not the two hundred years that the non-latino Ameicans have been here.

Sorry for the rant I have tried to stay off this thread, but statements such as Blyss’ really get to me. Stop accusing all of us of being illegel. You have no idea of who in those pictures are illegel. America is not all white.
 
Sorry for the rant I have tried to stay off this thread, but statements such as Blyss’ really get to me. Stop accusing all of us of being illegel. You have no idea of who in those pictures are illegel. America is not all white.
I am not accusing all of you of being ILLEGAL. Just as I am saying that not all of the rally particpants were all LEGAL.

:heart:Blyss
 
I am not accusing all of you of being ILLEGAL. Just as I am saying that not all of the rally particpants were all LEGAL.
:heart:Blyss
And how do you know that? What do you see that allows you knowledge of who is or is not legal??
 
The illegals made it about them. Do you think telling Americans to leave our country is right? Should we turn the Southwest over to Hispanics? Should we just open the border completely (as if it isn’t now) to let everyone through? Why do you dislike this country so much that you would take sides against it? I’d love an answer…

:heart:Blyss
Blyss, I think you are making blatantly contrived statements that don’t follow the facts. I am diametrically opposed to what I see as a hateful agenda. I have worked for the government and had to pass their FBI background checks. Where do you get off telling me that I am against this country? Because I informed you that you were inaccuate in your posts? Because I disagree with you? Those people came from the schools and universities. The city council was in support of the art work. The work was a result of a democratic official process that was open to all members of the community. Yes, it was a Hispanic community and yes I have no problem in Hispanics being voted into office. There is absolutely no way that you could call these people AntiAmerican simply because they were using their First Amendment Rights. They were speaking out against what they saw as a racist attack on their entire community by people calling them Mexicans and referring to the state as Mexifornia because of the large Hispanic population in California. I would consider that a Racist agenda. How did you determine the citizenship of the people there? Were you going by their appearance? Now, THAT would be UN AMERICAN!
 
BALDWIN PARK, CA RIOT
Joe Turner - Save Our State - saveourstate.org
In the bizarre world that we live in, merely opposing illegal immigration and all the peripheral issues that go along with it is justification for being labeled a racist, bigot or a vigilante.

In countless interviews, I am asked my thoughts when our opponents accuse us of being a racist organization. I constantly wonder why reporters simply regurgitate unsubstantiated claims and in the process perform the devil’s bidding.

Yet, as evidenced by today’s happenings, it is so crystal clear that our opponents are projecting their bigotry and hatred onto us. Today, we saw some of the most vile hatred and bigotry expressed towards us by the Mechistas.

Everything that we argued the monument stood for was reinforced by the hundreds of activists who opposed our presence in Baldwin Park. Numerous times we were told that this land is Mexico and that they were taking it back. Numerous times racist epithets were hurled away. One person even hurled a full water bottle at our side and sent one of our activists to the hospital with bleeding in the brain. Unfortunately, she is now in the intensive care unit and we are all praying and hoping for the best.

What started as a rather peaceful and uneventful protest on our side ended in sheer hostility. The counter demonstrators were supposed to rally at the other end of the metrolink station, but proceeded to outflank the Baldwin Park Police Department and traveled through a local neighborhood so that they could formally confront us at the intersection allocated to us for our protest.

In waves they came. Soon outnumbered 500-50 in a community that is 85% Hispanic, crowd control soon became an issue. Rants, chants, and Mexican flags filled the air. They spit on, dragged, and kicked an American flag over the ground. It is imperative to note that that was the only American flag displayed by our opponents.

At the conclusion of the rally, a twenty year veteran of the force shared that today’s rally was the most intense and largest he has seen in his career. And intense it was, for at one point, I was informed by BPPD that they could no longer ensure our safety. Mind you, there were upwards of 70+ officers on duty in riot gear. Emergency reserves were summoned from various local agencies. A police helicopter circled above for the entire duration. Officers with sniper rifles rested on a roof above.

In fact, we were told that a credible source of intelligence suggested that violent attack on our group was in the making and that two hundred more demonstrators may be en route (which would have presumably overwhelmed the already taxed resources). Surrounded by hostile forces on all sides, we were evacuated by the police department to the police station one block away until the crowd dispersed.

We did not hurl racist epithets or make bigoted hate-filled comments. We did not throw objects at our opponents or resort to violence. Yet, we are racist vigilantes!

It is of utmost importance to emphasize one singular point. Everything that we stated that monument stood for, embodied, and represented, was reinforced and confirmed by the actions of those opposing us today. To suggest that the monument doesn’t reinforce the reconquista of Aztlan and hatred toward whites is simply delusional.

To say that all of the Hispanic participants in this rally were ALL legal is lunacy. Even if these people WERE legal…they have a deep hatred for this country…and the citizens who live here. The racist hatred they exhibited for the white anglo citizen is every bit as much detestable as the racist hatred for brown skinned Hispanics. Neither serve us well in this country. They were defacing American flags and waving Mexcian flags. Where is their allegiance? No one can actually believe that all these people were legal and it is patently dishonest for that statement to be made. I am not saying they were all ILLEGAL…but none of you here can make the comment that they were all legal.**

:heart:Blyss
 
There is absolutely no way that you could call these people AntiAmerican simply because they were using their First Amendment Rights. They were speaking out against what they saw as a racist attack on their entire community by people calling them Mexicans and referring to the state as Mexifornia because of the large Hispanic population in California. I would consider that a Racist agenda. How did you determine the citizenship of the people there? Were you going by their appearance? Now, THAT would be UN AMERICAN!
Of course, I can call them anit-American when they spit on the flag, drag it and desecrate it. They were also attacking the white population and you know that if you read the article.

How do YOU determine the citizenship of the people there?

When you wave the flag of another country and wave ours upside down and then proceed to desecrate it, you do not love this country.

:heart:Blyss
 
"We believe that the genuine identities of possibly hundreds of US citizens are being stolen or hijacked by criminal organizations and sold to illegal aliens in order to gain unlawful employment in this country," said Julie Myers, ICE assistant secretary. She called it "a disturbing front in the war against illegal immigration."

The fraudulent document business has long been a thorn in the side of immigration officials, making it hard for them to crack down on companies for knowingly hiring illegal workers. Indeed, even as ICE agents conducted Tuesday’s raids at the Swift plants, a joint task force in Arizona - made up of state, federal, and local law- enforcement officials - was arresting 12 suspects and seized numerous fake drivers’ licenses, resident alien cards, Social Security cards, and vehicle titles.
Metropolitan Phoenix, a major immigrant-smuggling hub, has become a place where the false ID business is thriving, law-enforcement officers say. They estimate that 1,000 to 1,500 “coyotes,” or smugglers, stash thousands of undocumented immigrants in drop houses throughout the valley, where they wait until false identification and transportation can be arranged to places as far away as Seattle and Miami.

The Phoenix area is ideal for smugglers, officials say, because it is fairly easy to reach from Mexico but far enough from the border to avoid border patrol enforcement. It has broad access to the rest of the country via air and car. Moreover, the large Hispanic neighborhoods provide cover for drop houses and new immigrants.

On one of Phoenix’s quiet residential streets lined with stucco tract homes live two men who came to the US illegally but gained legal status - along with some 3 million others - under the federal 1986 amnesty program. David and Raul, who will give only first names, are in the business of helping newly arrived illegal immigrants acquire fake documents.

They are not part of an organized crime family, they say - just part of a network of established immigrants who help others attain what they’ve achieved. They are, in effect, the go-betweens from those who bring the immigrants and those who make the fake ID papers - a service they say they provide for free.

"A coyote will call and say, ‘Does your boss need more workers?’ or ‘Can you help get this person some papers?’ " says David, whose main job is as a landscaper. “It’s easy. I’ll have a number for a [document] guy and call him. We’ll meet at the major intersection out here, say, in half an hour. I give him $50 or $100, whatever he’s asking, a photo of the person, and a name,” he adds. “About 45 minutes later, he’ll call me to come meet him on the same corner with the papers - a Social Security card and a green card.”

If that won’t work, David adds, he drives to the nearest Food City, a chain that specializes in Hispanic goods. There, he says, he just asks around. “There are even guys there who’ll hand you business cards - they’re in the business of providing fake documents.”

Raul, who works in construction, says it’s not uncommon to get a call from a coyote in the morning and, by afternoon, have jobs and fake documents for the newly arrived illegals. The two won’t tell how many illegal immigrants they help, but say they get called at least weekly.

**This is taken from the link in #236. It shows that it was obviously a bad idea to provide amnesty in 1986. Those who were lucky enough to be given legal status have used it against us.

:heart:Blyss**
 
BALDWIN PARK, CA RIOT
Joe Turner - Save Our State - saveourstate.org
In the bizarre world that we live in, merely opposing illegal immigration and all the peripheral issues that go along with it is justification for being labeled a racist, bigot or a vigilante.

In countless interviews, I am asked my thoughts when our opponents accuse us of being a racist organization. I constantly wonder why reporters simply regurgitate unsubstantiated claims and in the process perform the devil’s bidding.

Yet, as evidenced by today’s happenings, it is so crystal clear that our opponents are projecting their bigotry and hatred onto us. Today, we saw some of the most vile hatred and bigotry expressed towards us by the Mechistas.

Everything that we argued the monument stood for was reinforced by the hundreds of activists who opposed our presence in Baldwin Park. Numerous times we were told that this land is Mexico and that they were taking it back. Numerous times racist epithets were hurled away. One person even hurled a full water bottle at our side and sent one of our activists to the hospital with bleeding in the brain. Unfortunately, she is now in the intensive care unit and we are all praying and hoping for the best.

What started as a rather peaceful and uneventful protest on our side ended in sheer hostility. The counter demonstrators were supposed to rally at the other end of the metrolink station, but proceeded to outflank the Baldwin Park Police Department and traveled through a local neighborhood so that they could formally confront us at the intersection allocated to us for our protest.

In waves they came. Soon outnumbered 500-50 in a community that is 85% Hispanic, crowd control soon became an issue. Rants, chants, and Mexican flags filled the air. They spit on, dragged, and kicked an American flag over the ground. It is imperative to note that that was the only American flag displayed by our opponents.

At the conclusion of the rally, a twenty year veteran of the force shared that today’s rally was the most intense and largest he has seen in his career. And intense it was, for at one point, I was informed by BPPD that they could no longer ensure our safety. Mind you, there were upwards of 70+ officers on duty in riot gear. Emergency reserves were summoned from various local agencies. A police helicopter circled above for the entire duration. Officers with sniper rifles rested on a roof above.

In fact, we were told that a credible source of intelligence suggested that violent attack on our group was in the making and that two hundred more demonstrators may be en route (which would have presumably overwhelmed the already taxed resources). Surrounded by hostile forces on all sides, we were evacuated by the police department to the police station one block away until the crowd dispersed.

We did not hurl racist epithets or make bigoted hate-filled comments. We did not throw objects at our opponents or resort to violence. Yet, we are racist vigilantes!

It is of utmost importance to emphasize one singular point. Everything that we stated that monument stood for, embodied, and represented, was reinforced and confirmed by the actions of those opposing us today. To suggest that the monument doesn’t reinforce the reconquista of Aztlan and hatred toward whites is simply delusional.

To say that all of the Hispanic participants in this rally were ALL legal is lunacy. Even if these people WERE legal…they have a deep hatred for this country…and the citizens who live here. The racist hatred they exhibited for the white anglo citizen is every bit as much detestable as the racist hatred for brown skinned Hispanics. Neither serve us well in this country. They were defacing American flags and waving Mexcian flags. Where is their allegiance?** No one can actually believe that all these people were legal and it is patently dishonest for that statement to be made. I am not saying they were all ILLEGAL…but none of you here can make the comment that they were all legal.

:heart:Blyss
Blyss, didn’t you tell me that you didn’t use information from groups? The SOS is definitely a group that is anti Hispanic not just anti immigrant as it had no qualms about insulting an entire community, most of which is Hispanic and legal. The SOS may not be a racist organization but it is certainly supported by a number of questionable groups. But, that’s not the point. It’s that their demonstration was based on information that was simply not true. They came from outside of that community and were not in a position to know what they were talking about and were blinded by their own agenda. So why would you lend such support on an issue like this to group like that? And, you have the innocence to use a highly biased article by the leader and perpetrator of this whole sorry incident.
 

To say that all of the Hispanic participants in this rally were ALL legal is lunacy. Even if these people WERE legal…they have a deep hatred for this country…and the citizens who live here. The racist hatred they exhibited for the white anglo citizen is every bit as much detestable as the racist hatred for brown skinned Hispanics. Neither serve us well in this country. They were defacing American flags and waving Mexcian flags. Where is their allegiance?** No one can actually believe that all these people were legal and it is patently dishonest for that statement to be made. I am not saying they were all ILLEGAL…but none of you here can make the comment that they were all legal.

:heart:Blyss
So how do you know this crowd contained any illegal’s? Maybe these were simply Americans so sick of the obvious race issues they are trying to communicate they would rather their native land be free of Anglo rather that free of the indigenize people?
 
*****This is taken from the link in #236. It shows that it was obviously a bad idea to provide amnesty in 1986. Those who were lucky enough to be given legal status have used it against us.

:heart:Blyss*****

Blyss
Falsifying employment documents is very different from identity thief; it is unfortunate you chose to portray these 2 things as equal. People who suffer from real identity thief will tell you that having extra money added to their social security, is not the problem they have.
 
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