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LaMar said:
I love the fact that people ask questions, get honest answers, and then tell the answerer that they know better. If that were true, why ask the question? (Rhetorical question, of course; I know why…)

It’s a great idea tho’. Cutting the symbols off and slipping them into my pocket has the potential to be incredibly convenient. Dunno what my sp would think about it, but he don’t have to know. 👍
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I know. But you are a newbie here. Wait until you become a real old timer. You get used to it. 🙂
 
why_me said:
A nun’s habit of course depends on the convent. I know plain clothes nuns and nuns that wear a strict habit. And others that a more modern style with hair showing.
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Dude, how many nuns are you around on a weekly basis? Do you live in Vatican City or something? Nuns are actually kind of rare these days in the US, but you seem to be surrounded by them on all sides, all the time.
 
ibkc said:
Dude, how many nuns are you around on a weekly basis? Do you live in Vatican City or something? Nuns are actually kind of rare these days in the US, but you seem to be surrounded by them on all sides, all the time.
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whyme has been asked about this before,

i must report that the shortage of nuns in the US is a spotty thing. my parish has a close relationship witha group of Canossian sisters nearby, who fill many ministerial functions in the parish, so we see them all the time. they teach in the school, organize ministries to sick and poor, etc etc.

i have been in other parishes that had maybe a single nun, or more commonly no nuns at all. it varies from here to there. i mean this to say that it is possible that if whyme is in aparish associated with a convent or other organization with lots of religious he could actually be seeing a lot of nuns on a daily basis, assuming he is going to Church a lot.
 
why_me said:
As a side note: perhaps catholic woman should also wear garments. I have seen some rather sexy women coming to catholic church dressed like the cat’s meow. :tiphat:
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naughty boy.

i actually find this statement a lot more revealing about whyme than the ones about how many nuns he knows. he seems rather fixated on this thing, which he brings up time and again, about the immodest dress of Catholic women.

without arguing the point, which i tend to agree with him on, i will just say that styules come and go, sexy is in the eye of the beholder.

if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out. or as a more reasonable alternative to permanent blindness, try closing your eyes during Mass. I do, and i find that it enhances my experience of the liturgy.
 
J_C said:
i must report that the shortage of nuns in the US is a spotty thing. my parish has a close relationship witha group of Canossian sisters nearby, who fill many ministerial functions in the parish, so we see them all the time. they teach in the school, organize ministries to sick and poor, etc etc.
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True enough. There are a few Dominican sisters who teach in the school associated with my parish, and they’re around. They’re not nuns, though.

When I was in Massachusetts last fall, I saw religious out on the street several times. That wouldn’t be possible around here.
i have been in other parishes that had maybe a single nun, or more commonly no nuns at all. it varies from here to there. i mean this to say that it is possible that if whyme is in aparish associated with a convent or other organization with lots of religious he could actually be seeing a lot of nuns on a daily basis, assuming he is going to Church a lot.
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I suppose. 🤷 The way he phrases things is just weird. He always says nuns, never sisters, and personally knows religious of multiple orders with all styles of habits? I was under the impression he lived in Utah, which would make it even weirder.
 
J_C said:
i actually find this statement a lot more revealing about whyme than the ones about how many nuns he knows. he seems rather fixated on this thing, which he brings up time and again, about the immodest dress of Catholic women.
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I don’t see him fixated on this point, I think he brings it up about as often as he does Catholics as drunks, in need of confession, non-followers of their religion and general Un-Christian like behavior. It seems these are used to qualify any nice thing said about Catholics.
 
ibkc said:
I suppose. 🤷 The way he phrases things is just weird. He always says nuns, never sisters, and personally knows religious of multiple orders with all styles of habits? I was under the impression he lived in Utah, which would make it even weirder.
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hmmm good point, now you mention it. i think you’ve been more observant than me. i wouldn’t wait too long for whyme to offer a full explaination, though. he doesn’t seem to want to discuss this sujbect, perhaps for fear of revealing some deep secret, i suppose.

by the by, could you elaborate a little on the difference between sister and a nun? i’m not very clear on this myself, and it would fit into the thread nicely, I think.
 
zaffiroborant said:
I don’t see him fixated on this point, I think he brings it up about as often as he does Catholics as drunks, in need of confession, non-followers of their religion and general Un-Christian like behavior. It seems these are used to qualify any nice thing said about Catholics.
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true, now you point it out to me. it does seem like a kind of subliminal dripdripdrip of anticahtolic rhetoric that belies his ostensibly evenhanded intent.

i know these things vary from place to place, styles and culture being what they are. but I wonder if mormons where he lives are holier acting than the ones here in my town. i just don’t see that much difference at all, myself. lately i’ve been taking a keen interest in such things, as before a few months ago i really didn’t know a momron from a hole in the ground, and couldn’t care less. but now i have a personal interest in it, so i’ve been paying attention, and so from personal observation would outright question whymes contention that momrons are holier than Catholics in dress and behaviours.
 
J_C said:
by the by, could you elaborate a little on the difference between sister and a nun? i’m not very clear on this myself, and it would fit into the thread nicely, I think.
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From catholicnunstoday.org/who-we-are.asp?choice=2

“Nuns take solemn vows and are cloistered, that is, they reside, pray and work within the confines of a monastery. Sisters take simple vows and live a life governed by the particular mission, vision, and charism of the respective Orders or Congregations of Sisters. Sisters embrace ministries that take them out to serve the people in hospitals, schools, parishes, social services, and the like.”
 
why_me said:
I have seen some rather sexy women coming to catholic church dressed like the cat’s meow. :tiphat:
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That is a problem. In my current parish, women are more likely dressed in everyday bluejeans. I find that more acceptable. Women should not place all responsibility for self-control on men. But, like JC says, just close your eyes, if you have trouble paying attention to what you are supposed to be paying attention to. :cool:
 
Jerusha said:
That is a problem. In my current parish, women are more likely dressed in everyday bluejeans. I find that more acceptable. Women should not place all responsibility for self-control on men. But, like JC says, just close your eyes, if you have trouble paying attention to what you are supposed to be paying attention to. :cool:
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Some men can’t stop staring at breasts. I guess we should all don burqas.

:rolleyes:
 
There are times when it would be a relief. Or an old-fashioned nun’s habit. 😃
 
LaMar said:
Do you wear the garments day and night as instructed in the endowment.

I’m not callin’ you a liar. You’re from the old school generation, with the one piecers and all that. I’m sure that both the endowment ceremony and the garments and the questions were different in your day.

According to my old bishop, the temple recommend questions were reworked at some point in the past, with stern instructions on how to ask them and limitations for local leaders. These were all done for the benefit of postmodernists such as myself, who spin definitions in ways we find coherent with our personal relationship with the divine. There are a great number of us in the church these days, and the brethren don’t want to lose (whatever we define as) ten percent of our increase.
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Please, I feel old enough as it is! 😃 Yes, I realize that my most recent LDS experiences are now 22 years in the past. But does the LDS Church really change that fast (rhetorical question)?

The endowment certainly was different “back in the day”, with all the throat-slitting and disembowelment and pay-lay-ale and 5 points of fellowship. If you’ve never read the pre-1990 version of the endowment, you really should. It’s a trip.

It’s interesting that you perceive less control from local leaders these days. That’s a good thing. And I agree with you about the 10% being the motivating factor for such rapid changes.

God bless you,
Paul
 
ibkc said:
Dude, how many nuns are you around on a weekly basis? Do you live in Vatican City or something? Nuns are actually kind of rare these days in the US, but you seem to be surrounded by them on all sides, all the time.
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I am only close with one convent. The others I am not involved with. However, the plain clothes nuns are the ones who ask me to read during Mass. I am not a lector but they do need to find volunteers for the reading and I do volunteer.

The convent that I am involved with are very friendly and outgoing. They help the poor and do good work in the parish by offering their Chapel for adoration on Monday nights and their non-cloistered section of the convent for activities such as bible study, retreats and other activities.

If you have outgoing sisters in your parish and they do work among the poor, don’t be shy to volunteer and get to know them. Your life will be much richer regardless if it is rich already.
 
ibkc said:
From catholicnunstoday.org/who-we-are.asp?choice=2

“Nuns take solemn vows and are cloistered, that is, they reside, pray and work within the confines of a monastery. Sisters take simple vows and live a life governed by the particular mission, vision, and charism of the respective Orders or Congregations of Sisters. Sisters embrace ministries that take them out to serve the people in hospitals, schools, parishes, social services, and the like.”
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This is just a technicality. As you know all nuns are called sister. I have never heard a nun called differently unless of course they are a mother superior. Thus, when Audrey Hepburn starred in the movie The Nun’s Story she was called sister luke. (this is a good movie by the way)
 
J_C said:
naughty boy.

i actually find this statement a lot more revealing about whyme than the ones about how many nuns he knows. he seems rather fixated on this thing, which he brings up time and again, about the immodest dress of Catholic women.
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This has been on my mind lately mainly because of what one of the nun’s told me. I never thought about this before until she mentioned it.

One time, during our conversations she said: Young women should be careful about what they wear because the priest is a human being. Young women should not dress in revealing dress because of this during Mass.

Of course she meant that the priest is a man and of course has temptions also as do women. And that made a lot of sense. I know that the opus dei priests do not like the dress code of some women when they come to Mass especially if they come up for communion in a revealing outfit. The priest takes a vow of chasity and does not need temptation during the communion.
 
why_me said:
This is just a technicality. As you know all nuns are called sister.
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Someone asked for the difference between the two, and I posted it. 🤷 All nuns are called sister, but not all sisters are nuns.
 
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