I'm trying to answer an abortion question that my friend asked me

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That I don’t know the particulars of. You’d have to contact them. If you like, I can give you the info. It is located in Georgetown, TX, not too far from Austin, TX.
 
Seems as if they can house 29 women. It is a start, but, given the simple demographics they must sadly turn many away. We need more and more and more!!!
 
The long and the short of it as far as (some/many) Catholics and the Church is concerned is that there is ANOTHER HUMAN LIFE inside of the woman, so the argument that it is her body does not wash. That other life begins at conception. Therefore, an abortion is the killing of a human life, which is at the least grave matter and at most a mortal sin. This is the Church’s teaching. Not all other religions agree with this. She, as a Catholic, is free to accept or reject the Church’s teaching.
 
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If you actually read katie price story, she said if she had know whilst she was pregnant she would have aborted.
She said she doesn’t regret him now and he’s a blessing.
 
Out here there is a Catholic maternity home. It is set up like this:

• A home for moms under 18
• A home for moms 18+
• On-site daycare
• On-site high school
• Ladies are responsible for chores around the homes
• Counseling is provided
• A transition home for moms preparing to go on their own with their child
• Medical care & food is provided
• Ladies pursuing a higher education can attend the local community college or other college if accepted
• Ladies can stay up to 2 years there with their children
• Some of the moms hold down jobs to earn money
Wow. I really wish there were more communities out here in Seattle. I haven’t heard or seen communities like this before anywhere. I having more maternity homes like this is a step in convincing pro choice people that we can and will preserve life. I have always found that when debating, that my opponent will often bring up the fact that if a teen is pregnant and gives birth, where will she go? I think showing that there is such a program like maternity homes as you spoke of, is a viable answer to that question. The only downside that comes up is that these homes are scarce. At least in my area.
 
my opponent will often bring up the fact that if a teen is pregnant and gives birth, where will she go?
The chilling thing is I have heard an officer for a well known Pro Life group answer that with “that is not our concern”. 😦
 
If we’re truly pro-life as a community, then part of our responsibility is stepping up and providing the costly support of being a stand-in family to women who have unplanned pregnancies. Otherwise, it’s just hollow, prescriptive words.
 
Hey, CG1, just a minor point here. " . . she is merely the host" I would suggest not using this particular term, as I do not think it is accurate and actually can be turned toward the opposite conclusion that you want. It seems to me the correct terms here are mother and child, because the typical counterpart to ‘host’ is parasite, and that is a) not the situation here, biologically and b) precisely not the type of inaccurate association you want to make as a pro-life advocate. I suppose you could substitute parent and child if you want to avoid the emotional impact of the term ‘mother’, but on the other hand, that may be exactly the association you do want to foster. What do you (open to all) think?
 
Earlier in my post, I do refer to the pregnant woman as a mother. I meant no insult or anything like that at all (not saying you are accusing me- I just don’t want it to go down that path :)) .

In my personal experience, people I talk to get more on edge when I use the term mother and child constantly (which is the correct term, but I take more of a “science” word approach-for lack of a better word to come to mind). This has been proven helpful and better at explaining because I (personally) notice that once you mention “mother” or “parent” they seem to get scared at the responsibility it entails and the drastic life changes that happen seems to hit them in the face and sets them to panic, and when people panic- it is hard to reason. As the conversation goes forward I implement “mother” in more. As for them referring the child as a parasite, the scienfic explanation for what a parasite is and how a child in the womb is different usually settles it unless they resort to name calling or shouting- but I guess at that point nothing works lol.

I do hope this clears things up for what I meant and how I approach debates on how win and change minds for the better. God bless! 🙂

As a side note to anyone: I do also advise when people debate (though not in this particular case since she is religious already, but maybe wavering) do NOT use religion if they are not religious as main points- or they will brush the points aside under “religion” even if valid, science approaches are made. Don’t forget, science is on God’s side and science always leads back to him.
 
I think we need billboards everywhere reminding people that casual sex is an expensive hobby. Then list the expenses: child care, insurance, etc. Not to mention the risk of STIs.
 
It’s all good CG1. I just like to point out those little points of language that can control the outcome - - like “fertilized egg” - - it’s not an egg anymore.

Re: not using religious arguments: I agree in context. If we are talking about what the government’s interest is, which is usually what we ultimately are discussing in a ‘legality’ discussion, “my religious tradition says so” is not a valid argument.
 
Agreed! Take responsibility before the real choice- whether or not to have sex!!
 
If we’re truly pro-life as a community, then part of our responsibility is stepping up and providing the costly support of being a stand-in family to women who have unplanned pregnancies. Otherwise, it’s just hollow, prescriptive words.
I am quoting you due to the fact this is a major crux of the situation, all the time and every day!~Without support we’re nothing but hyenas making noise, or haughty moralistic stuffed shirts.
 
Because it is super pro-life to reinforce the thought that babies are burdens.
 
“I think I should have the right to do what I want with my body?”
A person’s right to do what they will with their own body stops at the point that is infringes on the rights of others, namely the life of the child in this case, which is clearly a human person. He/she has all the genetic make up of one. Ones rights end where another’s begin. One cannot infringe on others.
“if I get raped, or get stuck with a child I know I can’t raise well, or get pregnant when I’m not ready to have a kid, or even if I just don’t want to have a child, or anything like that”
In the first scenario, it is very unfortunate. However, think about this: Does the child deserve to die for the crimes of others?
“you’re telling me I should carry this child for 9 months, be sick the entire time, go through expensive medicines and check ups, pay a ton to create a nursery, then go through a painful and expensive process to deliver it, and then continue to raise it for 18 years? Literally? People think they can choose to push ALL OF THAT on a woman and it’s stupid”
Her rights end where the rights of the child begin. Don’t have sex when you are not ready for a child.
 
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Thank you!!! I feel like I’m pushing on a string with my archdiocese with that logic.

E.g. Catholic Women’s League has a tea fundraiser to save money for a pro-birth Center…raises $75. 50 women who participated then sit on their laurels and pat themselves on the back for a job well done. They do nothing further.

How about every family in the parish who is able cuts back and contributes $100 per year to fund a new mothers’ residence, in lieu of donations to the parish BBQ and social events (which often cost $35+ each)? Within a few years, we could sustainably house all the women in the city who are at risk and give them a jump start on skills development at college or university. They could also be matched with sponsor families, who would welcome them permanently as adopted family members.

It galls me to see my pastor sip his daily Starbucks and go on 3 (!) international pilgrimages (really, vacations) a year when there is so much real need at home. It sends exactly the wrong message- self indulgent opulence that is blind to the meaning of being Catholic. Uggggh! So tired of princely priests!

Writing this makes me think I haven’t gone high enough. Maybe I should write a business plan for the archbishop and build a case for this!
 
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We should take warning from Scripture when we criticize others because they do not appear “charitable enough”. Read the account of the costly oil.
 
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