Impact of Climate Change Is Hitting Home, U.S. Report Finds

[wittgenstein]

Response to post 436
“Maybe, some should step down from their horse?”
Kimmielittle
Yes! You really should!!! You do not know more about science then NASA, Scientific American, and the entire world’s scientific community.
Response to post 437,
All ad hominums and not very well thought out ad hominums. (Leftists are only concerned about snails? )Attack the argument not the person.
For example even if all environmentalists are leftists (totally silly but lets go along with that) that has nothing to do with the question, “is global warming real”.
PS; I proved that Antarctica is melting (post 433) and that the sources of the conspiracy enthusiasts are not legitimate (again see post 433). I also showed why your understanding of the Heidelberg appeal was biased, distorted and silly. (Post 426). In other words all your arguments were proven wrong.

 

[LisaA]

Response to post 436
“Maybe, some should step down from their horse?”
Kimmielittle
Yes! You really should!!! You do not know more about science then NASA, Scientific American, and the entire world’s scientific community.
Response to post 437,
All ad hominums and not very well thought out ad hominums. (Leftists are only concerned about snails? )Attack the argument not the person.
For example even if all environmentalists are leftists (totally silly but lets go along with that) that has nothing to do with the question, “is global warming real”.
PS; I proved that Antarctica is melting (post 433) and that the sources of the conspiracy enthusiasts are not legitimate (again see post 433). I also showed why your understanding of the Heidelberg appeal was biased, distorted and silly. (Post 426). In other words all your arguments were proven wrong.

Learn to quote, no one is going to go back and search out your posts. I didn’t say Leftists are ONLY concerned with snails. So you take my ad hominem and raise me a strawman?

Environmentalism has become a new religion. It has all of the trappings…creed, dogma and hey you even had a leader until he sold out to Middle Eastern oil interests… As to whether it relates to GW, I wasn’t even responding to your post but to Farsight.

Lisa

 

[kimmielittle]

PS; I proved that Antarctica is melting (post 433) and that the sources of the conspiracy enthusiasts are not legitimate (again see post 433).

Actually, no you didn’t - you referenced a NASA 10/01/2008 page. UPDATED 01.12.10. USING these references

1 Marco Tedesco and Andrew J. Monaghan, “An updated Antarctic melt record through 2009 and its linkages to high-latitude and tropical climate variability,” Geophys. Res. Lett., 36, L18502 (2009).

2 arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.anom.south.jpg

3 sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090421101629.htm

4 nsidc.org/seaice/characteristics/difference.html

5 J. L. Chen et al., “Accelerated Antarctic ice loss from satellite gravity measurements,” Nat. Geosci. 2, 859-862 (2009).

6 E.J. Rignot, “Fast Recession of a West Antarctic Glacier”, Science 281, 549-551 (1998)

7 P.A. Mayewski, et.al., “State of the Antarctic and Southern Ocean Climate System,” Rev. Geophys., 47, 1-38 (2009).

8 D. J. Wingham et.al., “Spatial and Temporal Evolution of Pine Island Glacier thinning, 1995-2006,” Geophys. Res.Lett. 36, L17501 (2009).

9 E. Rignot et.al., “Accelerated ice discharge from the Antarctic Peninsula following the collapse of Larsen B ice shelf,” Geophys. Res. Lett. 31, L18401 (2004)

10 R. M. Robertson et al., “Long term temperature trends in the deep waters of the Weddell Sea”, Deep Sea Research 49, 21, 4791-4806 (2002); condor.pems.adfa.edu.au/FD-Course/webpage/longterm.pdf.

11Isabella Velicogna, “Increasing rates of ice mass loss from the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets revealed by GRACE,” Geophys. Res. Lett. 36, L19503 (2009).

12 J. H. Mercer, “West Antarctic ice Sheet and CO2 Greenhouse Effect-Threat of Disaster,” Nature, 271 (5643), 321-325 (1978).

13 R. Kwok & D.A. Rothrock, “Decline in Arctic sea ice thickness from submarine and ICESat records: 1958 - 2008,” Geophys. Res. Lett., 36, L15501 (2009),

I gave you currant data from one of the same sources NASA used… /arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere ]

 

[lynnvinc]

And how is “please respect the environment and use less energy so we burn less fossil fuels and preserve the environment” about control? And since when is it leftist?

See, if one lives off the grid and travels mainly by EVs and/or bicycles, and reduces his/her resource & energy use by reducing, reusing, recycling, and buying recycled and energy/resources efficient appliances, etc, that person is basically anti-prodigal-living, anti-profligacy, ergo anti-capitalist and an all-around evil character out to make our fossil fuel stocks go down and doom our world, ergo a leftist.

If they are into xeriscaping and/or greywater systems to water their gardens, then really watch out – total extremist out to create a totalitarian society and put everyone in chains.

Does that help clarify it?

 

[LisaA]

See, if one lives off the grid and travels mainly by EVs and/or bicycles, and reduces his/her resource & energy use by reusing, reusing, recycling, and buying recycled and energy/resources efficient appliances, etc, that person is basically anti-prodigal-living, anti-profligacy, ergo anti-capitalist and an all-around evil character out to make our fossil fuel stocks go down and doom our world, ergo a leftist.

If they are into xeriscaping and/or greywater systems to water their gardens, then really watch out – total extremist out to create a totalitarian society and put everyone in chains.

Does that help clarify it?

Lynnvinc, a) can you counter the statement that most environmentalists are Left? b) no one cares what YOU DO with your life. You can have a composting toilet (I actually know someone who does) and recycle, ride a bike and brava to you. I don’t care what you do and I applaud your efforts to live your faith. OTOH the problem with the environmentalist agenda is they want other people (on pain of taxes, fines or death) to adopt that lifestyle.

FWIW I betcha I recycle as much as you do. But I don’t insist that everyone do the same.
THAT is the difference.

Lisa

 

[kimmielittle]

FWIW I betcha I recycle as much as you do. But I don’t insist that everyone do the same.
THAT is the difference.

Lisa

I would bet money my footprint is smaller than hers.

 

[kimmielittle]

See, if one lives off the grid

You are trying to kid us huh?

You no more live “off the grid” than anyone of us. You get your electric from Green Mountain 100% wind big joke - why won’t they disclose they buy coal? ]. Let’s try not to be silly.

 

[wittgenstein]

Response to 439
Read and try to understand the site you give.
If you scroll down you will see that they talk about a dramatic loss of ice!
Note that what you are watching at the top of the site are 30 days. Seeing an increase in ice is like seeing an increase in ice from fall to winter. However,when seen in the context of years the ice is dramatically decreasing.
PS:Thanks for the site that strengthens my position!

 

[BigBlueCane]

Lynnvinc, a) can you counter the statement that most environmentalists are Left? b) no one cares what YOU DO with your life. You can have a composting toilet (I actually know someone who does) and recycle, ride a bike and brava to you. I don’t care what you do and I applaud your efforts to live your faith. OTOH the problem with the environmentalist agenda is they want other people (on pain of taxes, fines or death) to adopt that lifestyle.

FWIW I betcha I recycle as much as you do. But I don’t insist that everyone do the same.
THAT is the difference.

Lisa

Who cares that they’re left? Fact is that some of the solutions DO include taxing corporations in some form or another and if causes people a little bit of pain to save the environment then tough. The almighty dollar is not more important than having clean air, clean water, and clean food.

 

[wittgenstein]

A continuation of my post 447
Response to your post 442
Why are you continually strengthening my position? Read your post 442, in particular your points 5,6,9,11,12 and 13 they devastate your position!

 

[LisaA]

Who cares that they’re left? Fact is that some of the solutions DO include taxing corporations in some form or another and if causes people a little bit of pain to save the environment then tough. The almighty dollar is not more important than having clean air, clean water, and clean food.

Leftist policies brought us Mao, Stalin and “Che.” They don’t have a really good track record.

It is your opinion that “solutions” require taxing corporations. The usual tripe of “Don’t tax me, tax the man behind the tree!”

One of the biggest “taxes” on the poor is high energy prices caused by regulations and taxation. It doesn’t hurt the rich…hence Mr Gore in his private jet buyingt carbon credits while Joe Sixpack pays $50 for a tank of gas.

You need to consider the unintended consequences of all of your well intentioned but not very practical ideas.

Lisa

 

[BigBlueCane]

Leftist policies brought us Mao, Stalin and “Che.” They don’t have a really good track record.

On that same note rightist policies bring us Hitler, Mussolini and others. Thankfully the political spectrum has a lot of room in between the extreme ends.

It is your opinion that “solutions” require taxing corporations. The usual tripe of “Don’t tax me, tax the man behind the tree!”

They said that Obamacare may cost papa john to raise prices on pizza a few cents. I don’t eat that “food” but if I did so what. Small price to pay for insuring millions. Same thing if I was a corporation. I’d make it green but if I were taxed with good reason behind it, small price to pay for clean air, water, food.

One of the biggest “taxes” on the poor is high energy prices caused by regulations and taxation. It doesn’t hurt the rich…hence Mr Gore in his private jet buyingt carbon credits while Joe Sixpack pays $50 for a tank of gas.

You need to consider the unintended consequences of all of your well intentioned but not very practical ideas.

Lisa

High energy prices have nothing to do with taxes.

 

[lynnvinc]

You are trying to kid us huh?

You no more live “off the grid” than anyone of us. You get your electric from Green Mountain 100% wind big joke - why won’t they disclose they buy coal? ]. Let’s try not to be silly.

I didn’t say I live off the grid – I just said people who do are a bunch of evil actors out to enchain everyone.

However, we are in the process of going partly solar (installing PV panels that should provide about 45% of our electricity needs), so I guess that makes me only 45% evil, out to imprison 45% of the world’s population.

 

[kimmielittle]

Here is information from legitimate sources about Antarctica melting.

bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20804192

Did you actually read this paper?

nature.com/ngeo/journal/vaop/ncurrent/extref/ngeo1671-s1.pdf

nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n2/full/ngeo1671.html

Can you tell me:
Do they claim warming since 1991?
When do they claim most of the warming took place?
What are the margins?
Was there any “fill-ins” of data?

I feel I must warn you, even Skeptical Science and Real Climate have challenged it.

 

[kimmielittle]

However, we are in the process of going partly solar (installing PV panels that should provide about 45% of our electricity needs), so I guess that makes me only 45% evil, out to imprison 45% of the world’s population.

We’ve had solar approximately 8 years - I doubt you get 45%.

 

[SamH]

On that same note rightist policies bring us Hitler, Mussolini and others. Thankfully the political spectrum has a lot of room in between the extreme ends.
.

Who told you socialist were right wing? They are just communist that can’t commit.

 

[kimmielittle]

A continuation of my post 447
Response to your post 442
Why are you continually strengthening my position? Read your post 442, in particular your points 5,6,9,11,12 and 13 they devastate your position!

Ha ha ha ha!

Can you point to an Antarctica station reporting 0C or above?

Debunk these graphs then.
suyts.wordpress.com/2013/03/12/global-sea-ice-update-266-thousand-sq-kilometers-more-than-usual/

same graphs just smaller ]

 

[LisaA]

On that same note rightist policies bring us Hitler, Mussolini and others. Thankfully the political spectrum has a lot of room in between the extreme ends.

They said that Obamacare may cost papa john to raise prices on pizza a few cents. I don’t eat that “food” but if I did so what. Small price to pay for insuring millions. Same thing if I was a corporation. I’d make it green but if I were taxed with good reason behind it, small price to pay for clean air, water, food.

High energy prices have nothing to do with taxes.

A) Hitler’s party was National SOCIALIST so you are wrong. Mussolini was a statist and I think Obama and he are soul brothers

B) Obamacare does not INSURE A SINGLE PERSON

C) You apparently missed the quotes on “taxes.” When you are considering the impact of government programs that increase prices of basic elements of life such as food and energy, you in effect tax the poor.

Now back to watching the temperatures rise…NOT

Lisa

 

[Farsight001]

You have not supported your thousand year claim - below I’ll support my 1970 claim.

I’m sorry, but it is mind boggling that I would have to. Everyone knows that data has been collected and measures for thousands of years back. It’s in all the reports and the charts and the data. If you really think otherwise, then I cannot discuss this with you anymore because it would be akin to trying to discuss calculus with someone who does not yet know algebra.v You basically just asked me to support 2+2=4 with a source.

I gave you the link.

Which doesn’t help the situation at all.

He used Mr James Hansen’s program.

sciencemag.org/content/173/3992/138.abstract

Read that more carefully. It in no way whatsoever even comes remotely close to supporting your position.

Since when does someone who doesn’t believe the facts don’t support the AGW-CAGW anti-environmental?

Since the failure to recognize what a dangerous position we’re in leads one to care less about fixing it.

I would bet 99.99% of “Enviornmentalists” are Leftists. It has become a new religion complete with a creed, rites and a dogma.

Only in the minds of the anti-environmentalists. This willful polarization of perspectives is ridiculous.

Conservatives as the name denotes want to conserve but what the Enviro-nuts continue to promote isn’t a nice “please respect the environment…” approach but demands for taxes, fines, and wealth transfers (another sign of Leftism).

Actually, what the environmentalists are pushing towards and promoting in large amounts is greater efficiency in energy usage. Little gadgets in cell phones that charge them as you walk, reservoirs for snow to help cool buildings without using energy-costly air conditioning, building roofs tilted to catch the sun more in winter and less in summer, etc. As usual with the media, what they focus on and what they say is far from what the experts are trying to get them to focus on.

The real problem with this whole climate change hysteria is that the cure is worse than the disease.

The “disease” here is all of humanity having to go live in underground caves because the surface is hot enough to make their blood boil. I’m very certain that the cure is not worse than the disease.

I countered the claim with a reference. Debate it with them.

I have no need to debate them because as I already made clear, it doesn’t actually support your position or oppose mine in the first place. You debate them.

 

[BigBlueCane]

A) Hitler’s party was National SOCIALIST so you are wrong. Mussolini was a statist and I think Obama and he are soul brothers

Uh no that was a trick Hitler used. He actually despised socialists and put plenty of them in concentration camps. He just hijacked the name in his attempt to consolidate power. The Nazi name is a combination of several names of political groups at the time. He was very much a right wing fascist just like Mussolini.

B) Obamacare does not INSURE A SINGLE PERSON

Sure it does.

C) You apparently missed the quotes on “taxes.” When you are considering the impact of government programs that increase prices of basic elements of life such as food and energy, you in effect tax the poor.

Now back to watching the temperatures rise…NOT

Lisa

what you mean a few cents on papa johns pizza? Again small price to pay to ensure that everyone has access to decent healthcare.