Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

[F_Marturana]

He doesn’t have that role. The Logan act prohibits him from doing that.

He doesn’t work for the US. He hasn’t been vetted by the senate.

 

[Maximus1]

Rudy was a hired agent.
Hired by Trump personally and representing he was a personal lawyer.
I guess anything we do I life can be argued good or bad for others but that isn’t the point. Respectfully, that is misleading. Legally he was a personal lawyer on a client’s own business.
That business? Dirt on a political opponent.
I will concede you raise an unreasonable doubt. Lol. Kidding aside, it was Trump and Rudy’s choice. Trump could have made him a US figure.
If he did, there would be LEGAL PROBLEMS when Rudy gets on TV and says SURE I am looking for dirt on Biden.
Cannot dance between all the rain drops on this I think. I understand rooting for someone but there is a limit

 

[Maximus1]

You point out the compromise Trump has forced his voters into. And they will feel anger about it , in private. The reason why is simple. THEY DIDN’T DO IT.
ONE SINGLE DAY removed from Mueller testifying, and Russia behind him, he had the audacity to do it again. Then have Rudy and himself go on TV, stare at the camera, and say," sure I asked for dirt on Biden. Still doing it right now."
First time, naive, new, unwitting, these were defenses to a sophisticated Russia ensnaring. What now?
He saw the disruption of Mueller, he doubled Down on the nation going through it twice.
SUPPORTERS have the right to be angry. They are arguing a terrible case that requires they exercise RAW POLITICAL POWER to prevent witnesses. A McConnell participation to assure the wrongful blanket objection to subpoenas works to hide evidence.
AND THEY HAVE TO SACRIFICE THEIR OWN CHARACTER FOR HIM.

 

[Sirach2]

ONE SINGLE DAY removed from Mueller testifying, and Russia behind him, he had the audacity to do it again. Then have Rudy and himself go on TV, stare at the camera, and say," sure I asked for dirt on Biden. Still doing it right now."

You wear so many blinders that it would be impossible for you to hear the real truth. If you had watched the defense lawyers on Saturday morning, most of the “presumptions, guesses, assumptions, and mind-reading” was exposed. They gave quotations with page numbers and showed video clips that completely diffuse all of the House’s allegations. He WILL be acquitted, no doubt about it. Just prepare yourself for a personal defeat.

Just a smidgen here of motivation for you to ponder.

I do not know, I’m not an expert, but when someone tells me that they [Nancy Pelosi] have been working on something for two and a half years, and they say it three times, I take them at their word.
And if that is the case then the truth is, as we suspected, this does not have a thing to do with emoluments, Russia or the Ukraine.
If they have been working on this for two and a half years then the only viable explanation for that is that they despise President Donald Trump and have been waiting for an excuse they think would work.
The American citizens did not take to their Emoluments charade and Special Counsel Bob Mueller’s testimony ruined the Russia hoax.

Please do not expect any further replies from me, as I do not sense that they would be “heard.”

 

[PaulinVA]

Again, that’s an opinion, not a fact. A reasonable person could think that investigating how the family of a sitting Vice President made millions of dollars selling influence to be in the national interest

I agree. It’s not appropriate to the impeachment trial, though.

Hey, does that mean that “A reasonable person could think that investigating how the family of a sitting President made millions of dollars selling influence to be in the national interest”?

 

[Maximus1]

I will reply directly to your quote.
If you can tell me that it is IMPOSSIBLE to consider Russian interference in 2016 and an attempted Ukraine interference in 2019 SEPARATE, then I will accept your proposition. They seem two distinct fact patterns seperated by 3 years to me.
Call me insane, but they are not the same. The Ukraine thing doesn’t happen in 2017, or 2018. It happens in 2019 with Biden’s candidacy. It is it’s own fact pattern. When I read your post after hearing it prior elsewhere, I wonder if Trump supporters realize a rape in Russia in 2016 would be a distinct act from a murder in Ukraine in 2019( hypothetically of course).
To lump the two together does not AND CAN NEVER reflect on and alter the seperate Ukrainian murder case in that fact pattern.
It doesn’t matter what PELOSI worked on.
IT MATTERS WHAT HE DID OR DIDNT. HER PARTISANSHIP DOES NOT ELIMINATE SCRUTINY OF HIS ACTS.
She can be the faithful opposition. They watch each other thank God.
The only thing that matters is Conduct of the accused and others in the relevant fact pattern.
Is it OK
IS IT NOT OK
NOT…IS THE ACCUSER WORTHY OF PUBLISHING THE FACTS. IF NOT…THE ACCUSED GETS AWAY WITH IT.

 

[dvdjs]

he would probably need to be impeached for that…

Giant straw man. The probability of that is approximately zero.

The most patriotic thing I’ve seen from either side of the aisle is Tulsi Gabbard’s “present” vote.

The most patriotic thing that I saw was Justin Amash a House member who was elected as a Republican, left the party to become independent, and voted for impeachment

 

[dvdjs]

You point out the compromise Trump has forced his voters into. And they will feel anger about it , in private. The reason why is simple. THEY DIDN’T DO IT.
ONE SINGLE DAY removed from Mueller testifying, and Russia behind him, he had the audacity to do it again. Then have Rudy and himself go on TV, stare at the camera, and say," sure I asked for dirt on Biden. Still doing it right now."

Trump has spoken directly to this himself - soliciting and allowing foreign interference in our elections.
The House has passed legislation to help safeguard the integrity of our election. It is stalled in teh Senate. Fascinating to observe the elecvation of a short-term “win” over the protecting the security of the country.

They learn if enough of them say I and insist on it, others have to deal with their alternate facts. These arguments with us verify it works and they gain confidence.

Can democracy survive soical media?

 

[Maximus1]

This website gives unique opportunity to illustrate through real life, real time facts, why CATHOLOCISM teaches you cannot overlook and participate in promoting wrong in what you percieved to be THE GREATER GOOD, and why it is antithetical to the Catholic faith. The damage you recognize is real. And the fact that is missed IS a magical moment to learn of the danger of this form of thinking. It blinds and unleashes the sequelle of the wrong upon the earth.

 

[Theo520]

dvdjs:
“The most pathetic thing that I saw was Justin Amash”

I fixed that for you.

He also thought killing Soleimani was an abuse of power. Me thinks he doesn’t know what the phrase means.

 

[PetraG]

I don’t think it threatens effective government to oppose state-sponsored assassinations.
Maybe you disagree with a blanket prohibition, but that ought to be a stance that can get some respect.

Oh, but I forgot, it is 2020. It is unpatriotic and dangerous to have any respect for political opponents.

Well, at least everyone who wants to get elected agrees on that. The major parties do have that in common, with the exception of a few gray heads who remember other ways of governing.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Projection projection and more projection

 

[PetraG]

Patriot and patriotism are loaded terms that increasingly mean “likely to help this nation become what my party wants it to become.”

That isn’t so bad, except that opponents are too often painted as “unpatriotic” for carrying out their part in an adversarial process. The process is meant to ensure that willingness to confront wrongdoing and the determination to avoid rash responses are balanced. That makes diligence and courage on both sides into patriotism.

You won’t hear many painting the process that way, alas. That is too bad, because both sides are necessary for the health of the republic. Wanting to make your adversaries shut up and sit on their hands is not realistic or healthy.

 

[Theo520]

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[CradleRC58]

That added something not discard something.

 

[Maximus1]

Projecting what.
This is over. HE CAN SEND RUDY OUT before March 1 with a mandate from the Senate to enlist help.
24 hours in July between Mueller and Zelinski, cut it to 12.

 

[Jeanne_S]

You are correct it is over.Trump will be fully exonerated period end of sentence. You know that’s the reality.Let it go …

 

[dvdjs]

I fixed that for you.

Actually I meant what I wrote and you substituted a fake.

He also thought killing Soleimani was an abuse of power.

How do we know that it wasn’t?
The White Hose briefing of congress was a disgrace that was severely criticized by even by red state Republicans. I am delighted that the President stepped it after we took casualties - even though he has lied about that.

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[JapaneseKappa]

The thing is, if the republicans think congress failed to call relevant witnesses, now is their chance. But the senate doesn’t want to call witnesses, which means that congress must have been unfair in some other way. But republicans haven’t said what that other way is.

 

[dvdjs]

Trump will be fully exonerated period end of sentence.

That remains to be seen.

If the Republicans call Bolton, Giulliani, Pompeo, Parnas, et al., and their testimony is exculpatory, then Trump will be exonerated. If the don’t, in spite of the facts that a huge majority of Americans think that they should, the prevailing view was that they were accessories in the cover-up. some will be happy with that. others won’t, but no matter how much he touts it, Trump’s ostensible exoneration will widely be seen as phony.