Indianapolis archbishop revokes Jesuit prep school's Catholic identity

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0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
but a deliberate, choice after choice, decision after decision to flaunt the school’s religion’s values.
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In the case reported in the OP, CNN stated that “the teacher is not named in any of the statements” from the school. I don’t know that the archdiocese has revealed the teacher’s name, either, so I’m not sure that this would count as “flaunting” on the teacher’s part if his name is not public knowledge or he had never sought to make his marriage public.
 
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Thorolfr said:
As far as who the archdiocese puts or doesn’t put in their directory, it should be up to the bishop, I suppose, although the Jesuits might care if one of their schools isn’t included.
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The Jesuits will keep this school in their directory of Jesuit schools, unless at some time the conservatives take over. But they are shrinking so rapidly, that term Jesuit will have less and less relevance anyway.
 
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Every year, lots of bishops close schools, and the closings are appealed to the Vatican, after going through the Nuncio. Rarely, the bishops are reversed, usually because they failed to follow let’s say step 12 in a 20 step process. Even then, the diocese may simply then do step 12, then close the school.

In this case the bishop is merely pulling the school out of the official directory. This particular teacher was likely the “straw that broke the Camel’s back”, based on some things I read.

If the archbishop failed some technicality, he’ll fix that. But if the Vatican were to overrule his overall global judgement that this isn’t on the whole a “Catholic school”, that sets up a generation of litigation rivalling the sex abuse scandal.

That’s why I say this is for PR purposes.
 
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In the case reported in the OP, CNN stated that “the teacher is not named in any of the statements” from the school. I don’t know that the archdiocese has revealed the teacher’s name, either, so I’m not sure that this would count as “flaunting” on the teacher’s part if his name is not public knowledge or he had never sought to make his marriage public.
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I should have written “flout”.
Sorry.
I’m going to see if I can edit that post.
 
If it violates the code of conduct and/or contract then yes. If not, I don’t feel like there is a legal way to do that.

That being said, there is no reason for a school to renew a contract of any employee once the contract is up. I would encourage better interview and research on future employees to prevent a repeat problem.
 
0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
But the fact is we DO live in a very different world where privacy is nonexistent.
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This still does not make it acceptable, even in a secular court of law. It most certainly should not be acceptable in a religious setting.

Privacy of an individual who is not seeking fame or fortune should not be something we feel is nonexistent. It is different than privacy in business practices and the privacy in cover up situations. I can even see some differences for public figures. But an average employee who has a good record at work and good reviews should not be concerned that a client or coworker will out them for going to a bar on Fridays and get them fired from the protestant business they work at. It would be different if the employee was telling the information themselves or was recruiting people to join them. Privacy does matter.

It is wrong for a secular company to violate privacy in the same way. Christians should not be worried they will lose their job for their beliefs and lifestyle. As long as they are separating homelife and work life and their job is being done well, no investigating or snooping should be used to threaten that.

The teacher in question seems to be seeking privacy and anonymity. As a private citizen, that should be allowed to him.
 
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And how is this explained to the kids who do look to the adults in their lives as an example?
 
Why do the kids need to look at their teachers lives outside of the classroom?

When we were in school, I couldn’t even imagine wondering what my teachers did when they weren’t in school. The non religious (either Catholic or public school) teachers I had, most of the time I didn’t know if they were married, had kids, believed in UFO’s or anything about them and had no interest in finding out. They were my teachers, not my friends. The few I knew were at Church and honestly would try to avoid them. I saw enough during the week.

Parents need to instill respect in their kids. It is not the right of students to know all details of my life. They just need me to give them my best in the school while they are in my care.

As a teacher, I am not responsible for raising your kids. I am responsible for teaching math and English and other subjects. I don’t set an example outside school hours one way or the other. And I shouldn’t need to. My paycheck wasn’t big enough to cover my time in School already. Parents are the adults that should be setting the examples for their kids. That way you can be sure they are seeing what you want them to know.

In the case of teachers crossing that line themselves (yes it happens), then that can be dealt with. But who really knew or wanted to know their teacher outside of school hours growing up? It was not our business and we didn’t want it to be either.
 
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When we were in school, I couldn’t even imagine wondering what my teachers did when they weren’t in school. The non religious (either Catholic or public school) teachers I had, most of the time I didn’t know if they were married, had kids, believed in UFO’s or anything about them and had no interest in finding out.
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This is true for me, too. Thinking back, I have no idea which of my teachers were married and didn’t know hardly anything at all about them outside of the classroom and wasn’t particularly interested to find out. In fact, it never crossed my mind. I remember that one of my science teachers was from Boston because she had an unusual accent, but nothing else about her.
 
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Thorolfr said:
This is true for me, too. Thinking back, I have no idea which of my teachers were married and didn’t know hardly anything at all about them outside of the classroom and wasn’t particularly interested to find out. In fact, it never crossed my mind. I remember that one of my science teachers was from Boston because she had an unusual accent, but nothing else about her.
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True story

It freaked me out as a third grader when I ran into my teacher at the grocery store and saw in her cart Pepsis and chips. I thought, “Teachers eat that stuff?” To most kids, teachers aren’t normal people anyway.
 
No more than I used to live around that area and I worked with a Catholic school to the north. That school is near Carmel, a uppity suburb (if there is such a thing in Indiana) and the school has the reputation that all too many schools have of being a private (c)catholic school that is pretty lite on theology and heavy on the other things…
 
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So, you don’t feel responsible to set a good example.
 
In any case, marriage is a public matter, so if a teacher entered into a same sex marriage, it would be a public matter.
 
In the classroom, yes I am responsible for setting a good example. My students have never had interaction with me outside of school events. It would be unethical under most circumstances. No matter how I live my life, they would never know. So it’s really unlikely I set any example at all
 
One Mad Mom gets in a few words on the matter:

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The Jesuit Identity Crisis

Gotta admit, it’s been entertaining watching some Jesuits spontaneously combust over this. Thankfully, there are still some Jesuits applauding the archbishop. I still hold out hope that the S…
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii said:
This was a deliberate rejection of Christian/Catholic teaching. And now the kids know about it. And now the bishop’s hand is forced.
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Yes it is, but the morality of everyone involved including others that work there, will they now be subject to the scrutiny as well?

The greatest sin is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit, not the act of homosexuality.

Will it lead to Mr. Jones and did he have an affair with the lunch lady? Ms. Alice smokes pot for her “nerve” ailment? Mrs. Carvey’s divorce and remarriage as good as it is, but she was never annulled and her second marriage was civil…I think everyone gets the picture.

You are wise in saying we’re adults and we know things happen, but to be real honest “life” happens to us all that any given time we too find ourselves unperfect by the standard of the Church.
 
This was the teacher telling all on social media that he is sinning and dang proud of it.
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I have found several articles that said that the Jesuits became aware that the teacher was married through social media, but I haven’t seen any transcripts of what the teacher wrote on social media, so unless the author of this article knows a lot more than has been reported in the media so far, I’m not sure that it is accurate to claim that the teacher said that he was sinning and was “proud of it”. The article seems rather vitriolic and sarcastic.
 
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Will it lead to Mr. Jones and did he have an affair with the lunch lady? Ms. Alice smokes pot for her “nerve” ailment? Mrs. Carvey’s divorce and remarriage as good as it is, but she was never annulled and her second marriage was civil…I think everyone gets the picture.
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Mr Jones and Mrs Carvey should step down also. It’s a public scandal. Everybody knows about it.
Of course they shouldn’t be teaching in a Catholic school.

There’s nothing immoral about medicinal marijuana.
 
Thank you for the reply @0Scarlett_nidiyilii but the intent of the message and the crux of the situation in this case is precedent in more ways than one.

Do we remove the “Catholic” name from the institutions that brought us severe harm to others in the form of sexual child abuse at the hands of Priests…no need to answer.

thanx for the dialogue, but I respectfully disagree with that decision.
 
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