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hello my friend. i appreciate your candor. but i somewhat take issue with saying that john the baptist or nathan made mistakes in their prophecies. nathan i will get back to you on. i believe when he first talked to david about this, he was not speaking in the spirit of prophecy. john the baptist however, was really a humble person. i believe he knew exactly who he was. as he stated to the Jewish leaders, i am a voice crying out in the wilderness. make straight the paths of the Lord! john the baptist, was “elija” promised in the 0.T. i have no doubt he knew this, but his humility, kept him from admitting it. if ellen g. white made one error in prophecy, then she is a false prophet. not my rule. that is found in the law, and in the book of jerimiah. i can give you chapter and verse if you like. also other than the false prophet ballam, were there any gentile prophets? that may make an interesting thread in itself. Peace 🙂 p.s. i love seventh day adventist. you folks are some of the more intelligent, thought provoking protestants out there, and ive yet to see one of yours get nasty here. its been awhile since weve had a thread like this. Peace 🙂
Far out man, I just wrote a huge response with Bible verses and everything, took me ages and I lost it Ahhhhhhh:shrug: Sorry man, I’ll do it again tomorrow, feel so bad… I can send you a really good sermon about was I was trying to say if you please but I need your email. Ok mate, talk to you next time and sorry about that
 
Far out man, I just wrote a huge response with Bible verses and everything, took me ages and I lost it Ahhhhhhh:shrug: Sorry man, I’ll do it again tomorrow, feel so bad… I can send you a really good sermon about was I was trying to say if you please but I need your email. Ok mate, talk to you next time and sorry about that
looking forward to it rexpi. sent my email address to you. i will be looking for it. and will read it. and i will be kind enough to give my responses the same way. sorry you lost your work. i hate it when that happens.:mad: also are you a sda pastor? peace 🙂
 
looking forward to it rexpi. sent my email address to you. i will be looking for it. and will read it. and i will be kind enough to give my responses the same way. sorry you lost your work. i hate it when that happens.:mad: also are you a sda pastor? peace 🙂
I just saw your question and no I am not a SDA pastor, I am just a member of my church, being an adventist since birth I guess I could say, but you know, you never stop learning from God’s word so I love studying the Bible and getting to know our Lord more and more and as a result my relationship with Him I reckon is getting better and hopefully it’ll continue improving.
What about you? Catholic priest? or something like that?
 
I just saw your question and no I am not a SDA pastor, I am just a member of my church, being an adventist since birth I guess I could say, but you know, you never stop learning from God’s word so I love studying the Bible and getting to know our Lord more and more and as a result my relationship with Him I reckon is getting better and hopefully it’ll continue improving.
What about you? Catholic priest? or something like that?
yep, Catholic. raised protestant. had the “born again” experience in the baptist church. long story short, i converted to Catholocism. due to personal study, and some really strange almost miraculous occurances. to long to tell here. but i left the baptist long before i converted to Catholicism. have studied mystical Judaism, and the Rabbinical sages somewhat indepth. read alot of ellen g. white in my younger days. do no agree with her teachings, but i refuse to call sda a cult. and no. not a priest. although they do make very good friends and teachers. as well as spiritual fathers. many are more than what meets the eye. Peace 🙂
 
It is my understanding that the SDA are every similar to JWs.
I think they deny the Trinity as they do, believe the mark of the beast is Sunday worship, that the Catholic Church is the Harlot prophisied in Revelation, that Ellen G. White is a prophetess and therefore attach extreme weight on her writtings and commentaries, and lastly, in what is in my opinion the strangest of all their doctrines, that Jesus Christ our savior is in fact St. Michael the Archangel in his bodily human form meaning they are both one in the same.
Hi there, just to clarify a bit regarding sda beliefs…
We Seventh Day Adventist, do believe in the Holy Trinity.
We believe that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast and so keeping the Sabbath is God’s seal.
We believe the Roman Catholic System or theology (not their members) acts as the small horn, according to Revelations and Daniel.
We believe in Ellen White as a prophetess and that includes her writtings of course and visions.
And yes, we believe that Jesus’ battle name is Michael the Archangel.

So now you now from a SDA that those statements are true… But the only problem is that just by saying things like that, putting only statements, people can get offended and I totally understand, so I would like to apologize. The best way under my opinion, to discuss different church beliefs would be sitting down together, praying to God so He can give His wisdom to understand His word and peacefully start backing up each believe or statement with Gods word… letting His word to be the judge. At the end of the day both can go home learning something from each other and more important from Gods word.

I would like to say that we do not hate Catholics, nor JW, etc… I think there are beautiful people in those churches, maybe nasty ones as well, but hey, we SDA people have the same, good and bad.

I hope this message helps in someway and have a great rest of the day mate, God Bless 👍
 
Hi there, just to clarify a bit regarding sda beliefs…
We Seventh Day Adventist, do believe in the Holy Trinity.
We believe that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast and so keeping the Sabbath is God’s seal.
We believe the Roman Catholic System or theology (not their members) acts as the small horn, according to Revelations and Daniel.
We believe in Ellen White as a prophetess and that includes her writtings of course and visions.
And yes, we believe that Jesus’ battle name is Michael the Archangel.

So now you now from a SDA that those statements are true… But the only problem is that just by saying things like that, putting only statements, people can get offended and I totally understand, so I would like to apologize. The best way under my opinion, to discuss different church beliefs would be sitting down together, praying to God so He can give His wisdom to understand His word and peacefully start backing up each believe or statement with Gods word… letting His word to be the judge. At the end of the day both can go home learning something from each other and more important from Gods word.

I would like to say that we do not hate Catholics, nor JW, etc… I think there are beautiful people in those churches, maybe nasty ones as well, but hey, we SDA people have the same, good and bad.

I hope this message helps in someway and have a great rest of the day mate, God Bless 👍
yes, i can be a 2nd witness for you rexpi. that about sums it up. plus ive never found you as glassy eyed as the Jws ive come across. and they deny the trinity, and they worship on sunday. nope. no comparison. 😉 Peace 🙂
 
yep, Catholic. raised protestant. had the “born again” experience in the baptist church. long story short, i converted to Catholocism. due to personal study, and some really strange almost miraculous occurances. to long to tell here. but i left the baptist long before i converted to Catholicism. have studied mystical Judaism, and the Rabbinical sages somewhat indepth. read alot of ellen g. white in my younger days. do no agree with her teachings, but i refuse to call sda a cult. and no. not a priest. although they do make very good friends and teachers. as well as spiritual fathers. many are more than what meets the eye. Peace 🙂
Interesting background benidict, you have studied a few different things along the way. I reckon you might like the style of Pr. Stephen Bohr since he goes really deep into the Bible.
My older brother is studying at Andrews University, a master degree in Divinities or something like that, anyways, after finishing he will be working as a Pastor. I love studying God’s word but being a pastor includes more than that, its church leading and leading with people’s problems sometimes and so I dont think its for me haha, dont wanna get stress haha.
 
yes, i can be a 2nd witness for you rexpi. that about sums it up. plus ive never found you as glassy eyed as the Jws ive come across. and they deny the trinity, and they worship on sunday. nope. no comparison. 😉 Peace 🙂
Sorry my poor English haha but what do you mean with glassy eyed? haha
 
Sorry my poor English haha but what do you mean with glassy eyed? haha
hypnotized:hypno: like this! lol! well, even if you could not be a pastor, you could always be a sabbath school teacher or something along those lines. Peace 🙂
 
hypnotized:hypno: like this! lol! well, even if you could not be a pastor, you could always be a sabbath school teacher or something along those lines. Peace 🙂
Its never late to learn new words isnt it? haha thanks for that bro. Oh yes, I’ve been teaching in our Sabbath school before, I like preaching as well and I like having Bible studies with people.
Can I ask you something, who told you we base our faith or beliefs like the Sabbath, Judgement, escape goat, etc on Ellen White’s visions? Because like I said before thats not true. I told my dad about that and he was like What? haha so just out of curiosity, did someone from our church tell you that?
 
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Its never late to learn new words isnt it? haha thanks for that bro. Oh yes, I’ve been teaching in our Sabbath school before, I like preaching as well and I like having Bible studies with people.
Can I ask you something, who told you we base our faith or beliefs like the Sabbath, Judgement, escape goat, etc on Ellen White’s visions? Because like I said before thats not true. I told my dad about that and he was like What? haha so just out of curiosity, did someone from our church tell you that?
hi. did write you an in depth answer back. but the answer forum didnt wait. lol 😃 will send it again tomorrow its a pretty indepth answer. had that problem here before. Peace 🙂
 
very simple. This is an Idol worshipping cult. Possibly the most dangerouse of the lot.

The earth isn’t flat. God created the earth. The Sabbath is to remember the creator of a non flat earth that created all things and sent us to every corner of the earth. The doctrine that Sunday worship is the 666 is very simply the worst blasphemy that any thinking God professing person has ever let slip from their loose whorish lips.

If your friend has a reasonable intelectual capacity and can’t understand this then take the words of Paul… I handed them over to the devil.

Or the SDA’s believe in a symbolic communion. The lords name upon a vein thing. They Believe that the real presence of Chirst in communion is morally wrong… the blasphemy of the Holy Spirt!
 
very simple. This is an Idol worshipping cult. Possibly the most dangerouse of the lot.

The earth isn’t flat. God created the earth. The Sabbath is to remember the creator of a non flat earth that created all things and sent us to every corner of the earth. The doctrine that Sunday worship is the 666 is very simply the worst blasphemy that any thinking God professing person has ever let slip from their loose whorish lips.

If your friend has a reasonable intelectual capacity and can’t understand this then take the words of Paul… I handed them over to the devil.

Or the SDA’s believe in a symbolic communion. The lords name upon a vein thing. They Believe that the real presence of Chirst in communion is morally wrong… the blasphemy of the Holy Spirt!
Don’t the Forum rules require us to be charitable? I too adamantly disagree with SDA doctrine but I am happy to hear what that doctrine is from the horse’s mouth, so to speak, rather than from another source. Why don’t you just refute their beliefs. There is no need to bash with terms like “their loose whorish lips”. I think you’ll get further.
 
Hi there, just to clarify a bit regarding sda beliefs…
We Seventh Day Adventist, do believe in the Holy Trinity.
We believe that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast and so keeping the Sabbath is God’s seal.
We believe the Roman Catholic System or theology (not their members) acts as the small horn, according to Revelations and Daniel.
We believe in Ellen White as a prophetess and that includes her writtings of course and visions.
And yes, we believe that Jesus’ battle name is Michael the Archangel.
Rexpi,

Thanks for not being bashful about your beliefs. If the Bible could interpret itself then we could all read it and garner the same meaning. Obviously this is not the case. The Bible contains written words translated and transliterated from ancient languages spoken in a different culture at a different time. There is the rub. Who can be an authentic interpreter? As a Catholic, I believe that there is only one authentic interpreter and that is not me, but the magesterium of the Catholic Church.

As you are no doubt aware the Bible is a Catholic document, the canon of which was determined by Catholic bishops at several councils and finalized at the Council of Carthage. It was the Catholic Church who gave the Bible to the world.

If I may ask a simple question. On what do you base your belief that the Bible is the inspired word of God?

Just one other thing for now. There is no such thing as the “Roman Catholic System”. It is the Church, the Body of Christ, not a system. Within that Church lives the Tradition passed on by the apostles which was the determining factor in choosing the books to be included in the Bible on which you say your beliefs are based. If the Catholic Church is wrong, how do you place any credence in the Bible?

Thanks and God bless.

Steve
 
Rexpi,

Thanks for not being bashful about your beliefs. If the Bible could interpret itself then we could all read it and garner the same meaning. Obviously this is not the case. The Bible contains written words translated and transliterated from ancient languages spoken in a different culture at a different time. There is the rub. Who can be an authentic interpreter? As a Catholic, I believe that there is only one authentic interpreter and that is not me, but the magesterium of the Catholic Church.

As you are no doubt aware the Bible is a Catholic document, the canon of which was determined by Catholic bishops at several councils and finalized at the Council of Carthage. It was the Catholic Church who gave the Bible to the world.

If I may ask a simple question. On what do you base your belief that the Bible is the inspired word of God?

Just one other thing for now. There is no such thing as the “Roman Catholic System”. It is the Church, the Body of Christ, not a system. Within that Church lives the Tradition passed on by the apostles which was the determining factor in choosing the books to be included in the Bible on which you say your beliefs are based. If the Catholic Church is wrong, how do you place any credence in the Bible?

Thanks and God bless.

Steve
Hi Steve
I’m just being sincere with my anwsers, I am not trying to make anyone feel bad, just wanted to let you guys know what we believe so no one speculate about it.

I have to say that the idea that the Bible comes from the Catholic church is not an odvious thing to think, since history and archeology teaches something different.
The Bible was mainly written in Hebrew and Greek… If you study those languages, you will be able to understand the real manuscripts without the help of a translator or several counsils. Moreover, archeology and history teaches for example:
That there are more than 14,000 existing Old Testament manuscripts and fragments copied throughout the Middle East, Mediterranean and European regions that agree dramatically with each other. In addition, these texts agree with the Septuagint version of the Old Testament, which was translated from Hebrew to Greek some time during the 3rd century BC. The Dead Sea Scrolls, discovered in Israel in the 1940’s and 50’s, also provide phenomenal evidence for the reliability of the ancient transmission of the Jewish Scriptures (Old Testament) before the arrival of Jesus Christ. The Hebrew scribes who copied the Jewish Scriptures dedicated their lives to preserving the accuracy of the holy books. These scribes went to phenomenal lengths to insure manuscript reliability. They were highly trained and meticulously observed, counting every letter, word and paragraph against master scrolls. A single error would require the immediate destruction of the entire text.
The manuscript evidence for the New Testament is also dramatic, with over 5,300 known copies and fragments in the original Greek, nearly 800 of which were copied before 1000 AD. Some manuscript texts date to the early second and third centuries, with the time between the original autographs and our earliest existing copies being a remarkably short 60 years. Interestingly, this manuscript evidence far surpasses the manuscript reliability of other ancient writings that we trust as authentic every day. Look at these comparisons: Julius Caesar’s “The Gallic Wars” (10 manuscripts remain, with the earliest one dating to 1,000 years after the original autograph); Pliny the Younger’s “History” (7 manuscripts; 750 years elapsed); Thucydides’ “History” (8 manuscripts; 1,300 years elapsed); Herodotus’ “History” (8 manuscripts; 1,300 years elapsed); Sophocles (193 manuscripts; 1,400 years); Euripides (9 manuscripts; 1,500 years); and Aristotle (49 manuscripts; 1,400 years).

Homer’s “Iliad”, the most renowned book of ancient Greece, has 643 copies of manuscript support. In those copies, there are 764 disputed lines of text, as compared to 40 lines in all the New Testament manuscripts (Norman L. Geisler and William E. Nix, A General Introduction to the Bible, Moody, Chicago, Revised and Expanded 1986, p. 367). In fact, many people are unaware that each of William Shakespeare’s 37 plays (written in the 1600’s) have gaps in the surviving manuscripts, forcing scholars to “fill in the blanks.” This pales in textual comparison with the over 5,300 copies and fragments of the New Testament that, together, assure us that nothing’s been lost. In fact, all of the New Testament except eleven verses can be reconstructed from the writings of the early church fathers in the second and third centuries. (A General Introduction to the Bible, Ch. 24.)

Now, regarding why I believe in the Bible? Wow, I can write for ages about it, seriosly, just think on the accuracy of its prophecies, also think of its unity, Historical Statements, Biblical health principles tuned to our days, Scientific statements, Jesus demostrated His confidence and belief in Scripture, What the Bible claims about itself, The fact that It changes lives, the prophecies of Jesus accomplished in the NT…

Sorry about the system thing, I’ll call it religion to avoid future problems, thanks for that.

And I think Bible does interpret itself and its easier than many people think, when someone is looking to know God it doesnt matter how ignorant he could be, God still can show this person Hir word throu the work of the Holy Spirit… who inspired the Bible to the writters.

Have a good one
 
very simple. This is an Idol worshipping cult. Possibly the most dangerouse of the lot.

The earth isn’t flat. God created the earth. The Sabbath is to remember the creator of a non flat earth that created all things and sent us to every corner of the earth. The doctrine that Sunday worship is the 666 is very simply the worst blasphemy that any thinking God professing person has ever let slip from their loose whorish lips.

If your friend has a reasonable intelectual capacity and can’t understand this then take the words of Paul… I handed them over to the devil.

Or the SDA’s believe in a symbolic communion. The lords name upon a vein thing. They Believe that the real presence of Chirst in communion is morally wrong… the blasphemy of the Holy Spirt!
What can I say… Sunday worship is the 666? interesting… Flat earth? :confused:… loose whorish lips? You are a true christian ay… reasonable intelectual capacity? Ok. Do you actually know with the Bible, what is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit?

Seriously mate, dont attack people’s religion if you havent even carefully study the Word of God…
 
hi. did write you an in depth answer back. but the answer forum didnt wait. lol 😃 will send it again tomorrow its a pretty indepth answer. had that problem here before. Peace 🙂
I guess it happens a lot over here mate, no worries I’ll wait. Did you get to hear the mp3?
 
Hi Steve
I’m just being sincere with my anwsers, I am not trying to make anyone feel bad, just wanted to let you guys know what we believe so no one speculate about it.
Rexpi, I very much appreciate your answers and have no doubt that you are sincere. The only way we can have an honest discussion is for everyone to put their cards on the table and you have done that. Also, you have done nothing whatsoever to offend me. 🙂
I have to say that the idea that the Bible comes from the Catholic church is not an odvious thing to think, since history and archeology teaches something different.
I think we’re letting semantics confuse the issue. You state that history and archeology teach something different. It is history itself that confirms that the canon of scripture that you use today was determined by the Catholic Church and finalized at the Council of Carthage. You seem to have omitted that part of history.
The Bible was mainly written in Hebrew and Greek… If you study those languages, you will be able to understand the real manuscripts without the help of a translator or several counsils. Moreover, archeology and history teaches for example: That there are more than 14,000 existing Old Testament manuscripts and fragments copied throughout the Middle East, Mediterranean and European regions that agree dramatically with each other. In addition, these texts agree with the Septuagint version of the Old Testament, which was translated from Hebrew to Greek some time during the 3rd century BC. The Dead Sea Scrolls, discovered in Israel in the 1940’s and 50’s, also provide phenomenal evidence for the reliability of the ancient transmission of the Jewish Scriptures (Old Testament) before the arrival of Jesus Christ. The Hebrew scribes who copied the Jewish Scriptures dedicated their lives to preserving the accuracy of the holy books. These scribes went to phenomenal lengths to insure manuscript reliability. They were highly trained and meticulously observed, counting every letter, word and paragraph against master scrolls. A single error would require the immediate destruction of the entire text.
Yes, I am familiar with everything you have stated above as to the origins of the writings of the Old Testament and find nothing with which I disagree. This says nothing, however, about which of these writings were written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. For instance, the Catholic Church determined that the Septuagint comprised the inspired writings of the Old Testament and thus included it in the canon of Sacred Scripture. As you are aware this was later challenged by Luther, et al, who threw out the deuterocanonical books and accepted only the Palestinian version as do the Jews of today. This brings up an interesting question. Since you are basically defending the Septuagint, are the DC books included in your version of the Bible? If not how do you defend a version of the Bible which omits the DC books?

Do to space constraints I will simply say, concerning the New Testament books, that there were many writings circulating at the time the canon was finally determined. Some were heretical, others spoke the truth and were beautiful (i.e. the Didache). The Church, however, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, determined which were inspired and which were not. Even Luther admitted that were it not for the Catholic Church the world would not have the Bible as we know it.
Now, regarding why I believe in the Bible? Wow, I can write for ages about it, seriosly, just think on the accuracy of its prophecies, also think of its unity, Historical Statements, Biblical health principles tuned to our days, Scientific statements, Jesus demostrated His confidence and belief in Scripture, What the Bible claims about itself, The fact that It changes lives, the prophecies of Jesus accomplished in the NT…
Rexpi, I believe in the US Constitution, but I don’t believe it was inspired. I believe in everything written in the “Imitation of Christ” (Kempis) which is extremely “inspiring”, but not inspired. There are many books which are historically accurate or contain health principles and scientific statements, even ancient writings. We can look back now and see the fulfillment of prophecies concerning Jesus in the New Testament, but only after those books were determined to be inspired by the Catholic Bishops. The point is, the Bible did not drop out of the sky with a ribbon around it stating that “this is the word of God”. It was written and the books chosen by human beings under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. The human beings who chose the books to be included were Catholic bishops.
Sorry about the system thing, I’ll call it religion to avoid future problems, thanks for that.
No problem. 🙂
 
And I think Bible does interpret itself and its easier than many people think, when someone is looking to know God it doesnt matter how ignorant he could be, God still can show this person Hir word throu the work of the Holy Spirit… who inspired the Bible to the writters.
Rexpi, if the books of the Bible are easy to understand, no matter how ignorant a person may be, then why do we disagree? Are you aware that, since the Reformation, there are approximately 40,000 registered denominations with around 20 new ones being formed each month? Each of them believes that their interpretation is the correct one. Each of these denominations have people who are very intelligent and very sincere in their beliefs. This forum in itself is proof of that. Of all the statements you have made, it is the above with which I most disagree. The reality surrounding us is more than ample evidence that this is simply not true.

I have been through Bible study after Bible study based upon the findings of theologians whom I greatly respect. They have shown me truths that I would never have arrived at on my own. I am not an expert in Aramaic, Greek or Hebrew. Even if I was, I would also have to be an extraordinary historian and anthropologist, understanding the culture and time in which these books were written, the meaning of certain idioms used only in those times, etc. No. To arrive at an authoritative interpretation requires an authoritative interpreter.

Surely then, if the revelations and lessons in Scripture are addressed to us personaly and practically, the presence among us of a formal judge and standing expositor of its words is imperative. It is antecedently unreasonable to suppose that a book so complex, so unsystematic, in parts so obscure, the outcome of so many minds, times and places, should be given us from above without the safeguard of some authority; as if it could possibly, from the nature of the case, interpret itself. Its inspiration does but guarantee its truth, not is interpretation. How are private readers satisfactorily to distinguish what is didactic and what is historical, what is fact and what is vision, what is allegorical and what is literal, what is idiomatic and what is grammatical, what is enunciated formally and what occurs obiter, what is only of temporary and what is of lasting obligation? Such is our natural anticipation, and it is only too exactly justified in the events of the last three centuries, in the many countries where private judgment on the text of Scripture has prevailed. The gift of inspiration requires as its complement the gift of infallibility”.
(John Henry Newman, On the Inspiration of Scripture)

God bless.

Steve
 
I guess it happens a lot over here mate, no worries I’ll wait. Did you get to hear the mp3?
sorry my friend. lol! they threw two 12 hour road patrols at me. just got back! 😃 will listen to them this weekend. gotta catch up on alot of things. Peace 🙂
 
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