Intelligent Design

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The_DNA_Rose said:
While I agree with you in principle, try this. Forget about what was, and consider what will be. If humanity moves a living cell to Mars, and gets it established, and it grows, multiplies and evolves, then are we not doing the work, once only attributed to God?
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Hi, DNA Rose. We assume the physical laws will be the same there and in the future, or at least accounted for if our understanding changes. We will still have to consider whether the cell itself could be the product of natural chemistry and physics, and I think there will still be a GAP. You are also assuming it will evolve, which, even if humans try to manipulate, is still stemming from original cellular abilities and complex molecular enzymes of particular structure.
 
womanatwell said:
Hi, DNA Rose. We assume the physical laws will be the same there and in the future, or at least accounted for if our understanding changes. We will still have to consider whether the cell itself could be the product of natural chemistry and physics, and I think there will still be a GAP. You are also assuming it will evolve, which, even if humans try to manipulate, is still stemming from original cellular abilities and complex molecular enzymes of particular structure.
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If the cell lives, and is healthy, then it will evolve, will it become a self aware creature in 3 to 4 billion years, one can not say, this is true. However from day 1, humanity, will be the creator of life on this planet. This is true, and relates to the Earth, because we do not know how life started here, or what the creator here had to work with. Another clear similarity, is that we will not be taking cattle and corn to Mars, just the very small photosynthetic forms of life, as were present on the early Earth. So look forward, and you become God, just by exploring, as humanity has never stopped doing.
 
The_DNA_Rose said:
If the cell lives, and is healthy, then it will evolve, will it become a self aware creature in 3 to 4 billion years, one can not say, this is true. However from day 1, humanity, will be the creator of life on this planet.
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Really? From day 1, God became bored so He asked humanity to take over the spiritual gig???
 
grannymh said:
Weeping from an onion. I am not a cook!

Just wondering if anything intelligent was going on.

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Long story, grannymh. It all began a few pages back when a new patient started spouting nonsense and showing signs of aggression. I tried to communicate with her within her limited semantic range to, shall we say, lighten her mood, but that seems to have had little effect.

I see you were trying to engage with her just a few posts back. Careful, she may turn on you. She gave Al Moritz a good bite on the ankle, but Al’s a pretty tough guy.

Oh, my, I just had a thought…

I hope what she has is not contagious. We’d better keep an eye on Al, for a bit, just to be sure.

Unfortunately, Bradski seems to have come down with the malady (Post #674) and began showing signs of delusion. I attempted the same curative on him. Too early to confirm, but he hasn’t shown symptoms since. Let’s hope for the best. At least he’s not aggressive.

My full report is at the desk. It’s been a long night and my shift is done. See you tomorrow!

Say, that popcorn sure looks good. Mind if I have a handful?
 
grannymh said:
Really? From day 1, God became bored so He asked humanity to take over the spiritual gig???
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You are God, if you become an astronaut, who takes life to another World, and can get it to grow, where it will continue to evolve as it was designed to.

All known spirituality, is undertaken and or felt by humans.
 
The_DNA_Rose said:
You are God, if you become an astronaut, who takes life to another World, and can get it to grow, where it will continue to evolve as it was designed to.

All known spirituality, is undertaken and or felt by humans.
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Don’t think that quite fits in with Catholic teaching.:confused:
 
womanatwell said:
Please be careful here. Some exploring should not be done. Unfortunately, it already is.

nature.com/news/human-stem-cells-created-by-cloning-1.12983
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Exploring is part of the human condition, thus it was put there by the creator, so that we can find a better future, and get off this little atom called Earth. The universe awaits, creator included.

Are stem cells more aware of their environment than a cow having it’s head chopped off?
 
CHRISTINE77 said:
Don’t think that quite fits in with Catholic teaching.:confused:
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Tell the Pope then, he believes in Martians, and would baptize them in a heartbeat. So I think it’s clear that the Pope is endorsing space flight, and would really appreciate, an astronaut, being fruitful and multiplying life on a new World.

So I know that exploration (missionaries still do it) is accepted and encouraged.
 
The_DNA_Rose said:
You are God, if you become an astronaut, who takes life to another World, and can get it to grow, where it will continue to evolve as it was designed to.

All known spirituality, is undertaken and or felt by humans.
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Where do you get this stuff?

No, that would not be what it means to be God, that is closer to what it would take to be the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

And if you were to accomplish the deed by stealth, then the life you succeeded in bringing to that planet would spawn another Richard Dawkins to speculate exactly which FSM it was that transported them there.

Still a feeble and irrelevant conception, however.
 
The_DNA_Rose said:
You are God, if you become an astronaut, who takes life to another World, and can get it to grow, where it will continue to evolve as it was designed to.
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So do you think your Roman Catholic God is just an astronaut from another World?

Or do you think there is one God only who rules over all astronauts and all Worlds?
 
Charlemagne_III said:
So do you think your Roman Catholic God is just an astronaut from another World?

Or do you think there is one God only who rules over all astronauts and all Worlds?
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No I said that humanity will take life to other Worlds, and when they do, they have fulfilled the role that is attributed to God here.

You do believe that man is created in the image of God I assume?

Or is the bible nonsense to you?

PS. My aunt was a nun, and I was married by my uncle a priest.
 
The_DNA_Rose said:
Tell the Pope then, he believes in Martians, and would baptize them in a heartbeat. So I think it’s clear that the Pope is endorsing space flight, and would really appreciate, an astronaut, being fruitful and multiplying life on a new World.

So I know that exploration (missionaries still do it) is accepted and encouraged.
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Uh, I think the Pope knows who God is and wouldn’t worship an astronaut. Whether the Pope would baptize martians or if he endorses space flight is a completely different matter. You are really a Catholic???
 
CHRISTINE77 said:
Uh, I think the Pope knows who God is and wouldn’t worship an astronaut. Whether the Pope would baptize martians or if he endorses space flight is a completely different matter. You are really a Catholic???
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Yes I am Catholic, I was married by my uncle, who had a sister who was a sister…

So you do not believe that NASA should be working on a Mars base, to expand our knowledge of the universe, and bring missionaries to Mars, or other worlds as well. The Pope might well send a priest to do the baptisms…

Would you like the quote from the Pope…
 
If ID is the mechanism for creating life, why did it take 1.5 billion years after Earth cooled for God to at last create a microbe that creates atmospheric oxygen for the rest of us to breathe?

Without gaseous oxygen, carbon-based life was not ready to emerge on Earth.

The first living microbes ate minerals (lithotrophs). And this pattern existed for 1.5 billion years. Because the supply of edible minerals was limited, a few microbes began to use sunlight to supplement their energy. Eventually the cyanobacteria, using sunlight, began implementing a way to break down water into separate molecules of hydrogen and oxygen.

Voila! Atmospheric oxygen was created. Did God do this? If so, why did it take 1.5 billion years for this to happen. Unfortunately there was so much oxidizable mineral matter lying around, that the new atmospheric oxygen wound up being combined with the minerals, especially iron oxides (rust), and did not begin to become a prominent part of the atmosphere for several hundred million years. Finally when oxidizable iron became in short supply, an excess oxygen began to accumulate in gaseous form, atmospheric oxygen began to be available. Why did it take billions years for this to happen if God intended to populate Earth with life?
 
magnet said:
If ID is the mechanism for creating life, why did it take 1.5 billion years after Earth cooled for God to at last create a microbe that creates atmospheric oxygen for the rest of us to breathe?

Without gaseous oxygen, carbon-based life was not ready to emerge on Earth.

The first living microbes ate minerals (lithotrophs). And this pattern existed for 1.5 billion years. Because the supply of edible minerals was limited, a few microbes began to use sunlight to supplement their energy. Eventually the cyanobacteria, using sunlight, began implementing a way to break down water into separate molecules of hydrogen and oxygen.

Voila! Atmospheric oxygen was created. Did God do this? If so, why did it take 1.5 billion years for this to happen. Unfortunately there was so much oxidizable mineral matter lying around, that the new atmospheric oxygen wound up being combined with the minerals, especially iron oxides (rust), and did not begin to become a prominent part of the atmosphere for several hundred million years. Finally when oxidizable iron became in short supply, an excess oxygen began to accumulate in gaseous form, atmospheric oxygen began to be available. Why did it take billions years for this to happen if God intended to populate Earth with life?
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Because if it only took 6000 years, the anti-Creationists would have a fit.

It is impossible to please everyone.

My guess is that God used a random number generator to arrive at a totally arbitrary number between 0 and infinity and came up with 13.7367892 billion years and then another to come up with 1.5038764 billion for life.
 
magnet said:
If ID is the mechanism for creating life, why did it take 1.5 billion years after Earth cooled for God to at last create a microbe that creates atmospheric oxygen for the rest of us to breathe?

Without gaseous oxygen, carbon-based life was not ready to emerge on Earth.

The first living microbes ate minerals (lithotrophs). And this pattern existed for 1.5 billion years. Because the supply of edible minerals was limited, a few microbes began to use sunlight to supplement their energy. Eventually the cyanobacteria, using sunlight, began implementing a way to break down water into separate molecules of hydrogen and oxygen.

Voila! Atmospheric oxygen was created. Did God do this? If so, why did it take 1.5 billion years for this to happen. Unfortunately there was so much oxidizable mineral matter lying around, that the new atmospheric oxygen wound up being combined with the minerals, especially iron oxides (rust), and did not begin to become a prominent part of the atmosphere for several hundred million years. Finally when oxidizable iron became in short supply, an excess oxygen began to accumulate in gaseous form, atmospheric oxygen began to be available. Why did it take billions years for this to happen if God intended to populate Earth with life?
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God is not the God of Earth alone son, God has planets just chock full all over the place, it’s a big universe out there remember.
 
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