Inter-faith Relationships

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Anyone who tries to “change” anyone else is playing with fire whether it be religion or anything else. The non-Catholic party has to want to convert, a forced conversion is never successful.
I agree with you, Leah. If my boyfriend had asked me to convert, or expected it of me, I would probably have run for the hills. However, he told me that he was comfortable dating me even if I didn’t convert, as long as I help him raise the children Catholic and don’t try to stop him practicing his faith. Because he approached it in that way, I am considering converting on my own. As you said, a forced conversion is not a conversion at all.
 
Yes, studies have documented that the children’s practice of faith in adulthood is highly correlated to their father’s practice of religion.
In my case, my mom was the stronger spiritual one. I learned from her.

Kathy
 
I am afraid that I may get into trouble here, but I don’t think that anyone who asks the Lord will be told by Him to enter into a mixed marriage.
**As a broad generalization, I agree with you. But we can never know individual situations or God’s will… so if someone says that God told them/approves of their interfaith marriage we can only pray that they are truly hearing our Lord and not their own desires in disguise.

Malia (a fellow Albertan:))**
Well I have to tell you that 29 years ago I was in conversation with God and given in prayer that the just returned to his Lutheran faith man I was planning to marry was indeed the man I was supposed to marry - guess what? I married him and he is sitting in the living room as I type this. We will be celebrating our 29th Wedding Anniversary on the 30th of this month (Dec.)

I was ready to call off the wedding too because everyone was telling us that we “couldn’t last” that “we didn’t know what we were getting into”. Well, when we had been married 4 years we had a multiply handicapped baby who died 2.5 years later, we were told that statistically we should have gotten a divorce then too. Then when we had been married 9 years we had our third child and I spiralled into depression (PMDD didn’t help it), we should have gotten a divorce over that one too. No, God is central to our Marriage and as such we have learned that we can work through anything.

So, yes an inter-faith marriage can work. It takes a lot of hard work and yes there are hard times. Would I recommend that anyone marry someone of a different faith? No. My husband and I are the exception to the rule in many ways. We have weathered more storms in our marriage (most outside our control) than many have and through the grace of God we have survived.

Brenda V.
 
Hi,
I am one of those wives that married a non-catholic. After many years of going to mass only once in a while by myself I had a reconversion back to my faith. I can’t tell you how heartbreaking it is to love Jesus and His Church so much and not be able to share this with my husband. I want my husband to be the spiritual head, to pray with me, to love the sacrifice of the mass and want to truly live the faith. Unfortunately now we are farther apart. He is not interested in it at all. I cry to myself and pray for him.
 
I agree with you, Leah. If my boyfriend had asked me to convert, or expected it of me, I would probably have run for the hills. However, he told me that he was comfortable dating me even if I didn’t convert, as long as I help him raise the children Catholic and don’t try to stop him practicing his faith. Because he approached it in that way, I am considering converting on my own. As you said, a forced conversion is not a conversion at all.
I have to say that I am not sure what I would have done if my husband or the priest during our Pre-Cana would have said “You must become Catholic.” But they didn’t. In fact, the priest didn’t even tell me I HAD to let the kids be raised Catholic (although that was never an issue for me). But he did make my husband promise to do all that he could to raise our children as Catholic, BUT if it would cause a breakdown of the marriage, the marriage would take presidence. (I’m sure most of you will now blame that on Vatican II… but that is what he said.)

So, although it took many years… I did finally convert. It was at the point that my husband realized the kids needed to be in religious ed classes. The timing was right for me by then. (I had tried when we were baptising our first daughter, but it was too late in their program to start. I think they should have taken my name and called me back in the fall, but they left it up to me… and it didn’t happen then… and life gets in the way sometimes.)

Elizabeth C

Oh… and one more thing… in my RCIA class retreat, someone gave an amazing talk about us not choosing God, but God choosing us. It brought me to tears. Other parts of that retreat were probable responsible for my “true” conversion more than my decision to join the church!
 
I am afraid that I may get into trouble here, but I don’t think that anyone who asks the Lord will be told by Him to enter into a mixed marriage.
You won’t get into trouble, but I disagree with you, and most posters in this thread. I did ask the Lord whether I should marry my wife, a Methodist. Four years after our wedding, she joined the Catholic Church.

We’re all commissioned by God to go and spread the good news, making disciples. Why do you (not just you, but most here), believe that we’re called to evangelize everywhere except in our marriages? IMHO, those afraid to enter a relationship with a non-Catholic could be missing the greatest gift, and opportunity to bring someone to Christ. I prayed on it, and answered the call to marriage, and now there are 6 Catholics, rather than the 1 if I had listened to comments like those posted here.

I’ll admit, all relationships are different, and a relationship of mixed faiths can be difficult. But, while the Church warns of the potential problems of a mixed-faith marriage, it does not forbid them. Each person should prayerfully consider their relationships and marriage, regardless of whether both are Catholic. But, simply denying the possibility of love, family and evangelization because someone is not Catholic sounds quite similar to racial or ethnic discrimination, purely avoiding contact because of one’s background. That thought may make some folks defensive, but on a purely objective plain, what is the difference between not marrying someone of a different color versus not marrying someone of a different faith?
 
PLEASE HELP I NEED USEFULL ADVICE
I am Catholic and my girlfriend is Southern Baptist. We have been together for over a year and have had a few discussions about our Faith. Recently we’ve started talking more seriously about our relationship and our religious beliefs. She wants us to practice the same religion and for our potential children to be a part of that same Faith. I have the same opinion, but heres the catch, she is not willing to convert to Catholicism and not only that but she has said she will not marry a Catholic. So basically what she has said in a nutshell is that I cannot be catholic if I am to be with her. I cannot and will not be a part of another denomination because its part of who I am.

I have partly answered my own question but I do love her and I do want to be with her even though it seems hopeless. I want her to be a part of mine and my daughters lives. Oh ya i forgot to mention I have a daughter from a previous marriage to a non-Catholic. (just to be clear she filed for the divorce because she found someone else).

So should I try and see if she’ll change or should I just give up and start my endless search for a good Catholic girl? (they’re not very plentyfull in this area)
 
Dear Jesse,

Do you realise that you will not be able to marry in the Catholic church if you are divorced. My soon to be son inlaw has tried for an annulment of his marriage he is AOG. His wife committed adultry many times and he forgave and forgave her, until she finally left. He thought he would be married till death do us part, he did not end the marriage. It died, with her lies deceit and morals.

I asked for help and instead was told to go to a marriage guidance councillor. What a copout.

Two catholic priests in my daughters parish both said they do not believe in annulments and even if they received one that they would not marry anyone who was divorced.
My daughter is Catholic and instead of this being the happiest time of her life it is one of the saddest. She was in a relationship with a catholic who nearly killed her. Wanted there child aborted . He has since married in the Catholic church to a docile asian girl. I suppose he has had absolution.

The next catholic boyfriend decided after two years he did not want to get married. My daughter has had cancer and was told to have children as she will most likely require a hysterectomy, by the time she is thirty, he bought her a cat. The relationship ended.

She is now 29, has she not the right to have a loving relationship with children . god wants us to have a full life.

She was lonely, broken and fragile. this man has raised her up got her back to church, and taught her how to love herself, God and others. I said Novenas to Saint Theresa, asking for a good man to enter her life, I was rewarded by roses everywhere and next thing she met this man

Now if they went to the church and said he had never been married , no one would be any the wiser. Instead they have to have a civil ceremony. She won’t be married in another church. His church has welcomed her with open arms, love and friendship. All she got from the Catholic church was, break up the relationship , and I hope this does not drive you away from the church. Drive her away, they hailed the cab and paid the fare. She was told they could have there rings blessed by the priest, what does this mean they will bless a piece of metal but now the union of two people in love.

If you love this person, I would change my religion, You are christian. Read Coriathians 12 I think it says there are many branches of the tree but the same God. The trouble with the Catholic church is that it believes it is like the tree of life. Well grounded rooted and with strong branches and bearing much fruit. But trees bend, if they didn’t they would break.

Have a Holy Christmas
 
  1. Why do you (not just you, but most here), believe that we’re called to evangelize everywhere except in our marriages?
  2. But, while the Church warns of the potential problems of a mixed-faith marriage, it does not forbid them.
  3. Each person should prayerfully consider their relationships and marriage, regardless of whether both are Catholic.
In response to the above points.
  1. The Scriptures make it clear that while the Israelites were supposed to evangelize the nations, drawing them all to the worship of Yahweh, the one thing they were NOT supposed to do in making this happen is inter-marry. You don’t get into inter-marriages in order to evangelize. You get into a marriage in order to draw closer to God.
  2. The Church generally does not forbid mixed marriage because She realized a long time ago that it would be impossible for Her to forbid it. She has far too many disobedient children. Please read the article on mixed marriage from the Catholic Encyclopedia, found online at www.newadvent.org. The Church did try to eliminate mixed marriage, but began to allow it for the same reason Moses allowed the Israelites to divorce their wives - he allowed this lesser evil to prevent the greater evil of the “hard hearted” Israelites murdering their wives.
  3. The problem with “prayerfully discerning” is that what often happens in the lives of believers is that their “prayer” is not really an open-minded and open-hearted thing. They tend to “look” for the answer they want, and “convince” themselves that what they really desire is God’s will anyway.
I still do not believe God actually wills a mixed marriage. Nothing in Scripture or the Church’s Tradition (including the writings of ALL the Saints, Popes, Doctors, Fathers) upholds the idea of a God-willed mixed marriage. Find me a single Father, Doctor, Saint, or Pope who disagrees with me, and I will open my mind to the idea. Good luck.
 
but on a purely objective plain, what is the difference between not marrying someone of a different color versus not marrying someone of a different faith?
Oh, I forgot this one.

Like I said, the purpose of marriage is that the spouse will lead one closer to God and to holiness.

I woman who is black, by virtue of being black, will not lead me further from my God and holiness. A person who is of the Nordic ethnicity will not, by virtue of being nordic, lead me further from God and holiness. But a woman who is not Catholic, by virtue of the fact that she is not Catholic, can easily lead me away from God and holiness.

Need we cite the sad examples of Moses, Samson, Solomon, etc.?
 
I know adultery is not grounds for annulment, but I can’t understand why two priests would give her no hope.

I did speak to a priest myself and he said to get the divorced person to write a letter outlining the courtship and marriage to see if there were any indicators that she was not mature enough to unnderstand the marriage contract, or that she did not mean to honour her vows from early on in the marriage.

How could a priest refuse to marry someone who was granted an annulment. The priest is only the witness of the wedding , the couple marry each other.

:amen:
 
I know adultery is not grounds for annulment, but I can’t understand why two priests would give her no hope.

I did speak to a priest myself and he said to get the divorced person to write a letter outlining the courtship and marriage to see if there were any indicators that she was not mature enough to unnderstand the marriage contract, or that she did not mean to honour her vows from early on in the marriage.

How could a priest refuse to marry someone who was granted an annulment. The priest is only the witness of the wedding , the couple marry each other.

:amen:
She needs to keep looking for a priest until she finds one who will marry her provided she has an annulment. I had a great uncle who had been divorced and a priest refused to preside at his funeral because of the divorce. My uncle never even dated after the divorce and for all I know this is the same priest that gave him communion every Sunday. The family went to another parish and found a priest who would preside at his funeral.

I’m not a big fan of annulments, but then again I’ve never been in need of one.
 
Hi 1ke!🙂

This has always been interesting to me as to the ‘why’ of this, because my mom never went to church with my dad and me when I was very little…she was ill a good portion of the time. I knew she had a strong faith, she prayed the Rosary a lot…but, she never attended church, and for the most part I learned about our faith through my dad. My husband had the opposite in his home…his dad never attended church, his mom did, etc…And most of his brothers and sisters have left the faith. He and his youngest brother are the only practicing Catholics from his family. I’m sure there are exceptions…but I think the majority follows this pattern.
I was raised in a Catholic household with a dad who’d been an altar server for 27 years and whose best friend was the priest he’d served for all those years & a mom who also had very strong faith. We attended Mass faithfully & prayed the rosary at home.

Of the three kids, I`m the only one who still goes to church – my two brothers have no use for religion and one professes not to even believe in God. My dad went to his grave worrying about their souls.

Strangely enough they had absolutely no problem that the only guy I ever brought home wasnt Catholic. We were married 32 years ago in a Catholic ceremony and hes been there through thick and thin for me & the kids, supporting our faith while not sharing it. He came to church with me when the kids were little, to be there for them while I was a reader or EMHC. He supported them when they were preparing for the sacraments and was always there for them. He`s been mistaken for a Catholic by the priest in one of the parishes we attended because he signed himself – something he learned to do so he could model it to the kids if he was the one putting them to bed and listening to their prayers.

He now usually only attends Mass on special occasions and sings with our choir at Christmas and Easter. He may convert one day but its not something Ive ever asked or expected of him. He was raised in the United Church by a family that was very involved but he wasn`t really practicing his faith when I met him.
 
PLEASE HELP I NEED USEFULL ADVICE
I am Catholic and my girlfriend is Southern Baptist. We have been together for over a year and have had a few discussions about our Faith. Recently we’ve started talking more seriously about our relationship and our religious beliefs. She wants us to practice the same religion and for our potential children to be a part of that same Faith. I have the same opinion, but heres the catch, she is not willing to convert to Catholicism and not only that but she has said she will not marry a Catholic. So basically what she has said in a nutshell is that I cannot be catholic if I am to be with her. I cannot and will not be a part of another denomination because its part of who I am.

I have partly answered my own question but I do love her and I do want to be with her even though it seems hopeless. I want her to be a part of mine and my daughters lives. Oh ya i forgot to mention I have a daughter from a previous marriage to a non-Catholic. (just to be clear she filed for the divorce because she found someone else).

So should I try and see if she’ll change or should I just give up and start my endless search for a good Catholic girl? (they’re not very plentyfull in this area)
Jesse,
You really need to go sit down and talk with your priest if you haven’t done so already because of your first marriage. Was it in the church? You are going to need a decree of nullity. You really shouldn’t be dating anyone until you have taken care of that.If you have then fine. Bottom line is you can’t give up your faith or sacrifice your daughter’s faith. Your girl seems to be very honest here. Respect that. One of the purposes of marriage is to help each other get into heaven. Is someone who insists you convert away from the true faith going to do that?
 
If , and this is a big IF, each person can understand and respect each others beliefs even while disagreeing I think an interfaith marriage can very much work. I am Catholic in 99% of my beliefs and highly considering becoming Catholic. My wife is a life long Evangelical who has strong opinions against Catholicism. She always said she would never marry a Catholic. When we were married I was an Evangelical as well only 2yrs into my faith. A few months ago through research and prayer I have found the truth and beauty in the Catholic Church. When I mentioned to my wife that I might convert, she flipped out! It’s been a struggle eversince. If one side is like she is then good luck. Keep praying!

Patton
 
Well, I’ve never been married, but I’ve been through relationships with non-Catholics and I can say they’ve taxed me a lot. At this moment, I feel extremely disinclined from involving myself with even a not-so-very-observant Catholic because of all the struggles which may arise. The problem is, most of the ladies I meet and who are interested in me, are not Catholics. Some are quite traditional socially (sometimes more than I am), but not in matters of faith. Well, tough luck, but I’d rather not end up in a relationship in which I have to fight for every decision regarding the children’s upgringing, every refusal of going to a party on a fast day, not even to mention pronouncements regarding abortion or contraception.
 
“Well, tough luck, but I’d rather not end up in a relationship in which I have to fight for every decision regarding the children’s upgringing, every refusal of going to a party on a fast day, not even to mention pronouncements regarding abortion or contraception.”

People fight over many things, two Catholics can have the same fights- one might be more picky about their beliefs than the other. A Catholic and a non-Catholic can also agree on things of that nature. It is not unheard of. Marriages take compromise and sacrifice, as does a serious dating relationship.

I’ve read over all the pages in this thread. And the conclusion that I end up with is that there are good and bad Catholics, and good and bad Non-Catholics. Some spouses have converted, others have kept their faith. It works between interfaith, and can fall apart even if both are Catholic.

I have also read hopes that the Church bans interfaith marriages. Now, would that make people already in such a marriage, otherwise valid, no longer married? And what of those people who hope to be married and are such a couple? If that were to happen… well, three things come to mind, should the couple not want to split up. A fake conversion from the non-Catholic, leaving the Church from the Catholic, or living in sin for the both of them without any marriage.

Thankfully there is no ban. The Church does discourage such marriages, but there can and do happen. Yes, I know that not everything always ends well, but we can all see that it has worked out well for more than one person.

Yes, yes, seeing that others have done it shouldn’t be proof that my relationship will work. But on the same hand, a bit to the left, seeing that other’s have failed shouldn’t be proof that mine will.

Statistics keep up popping up that if the father doesn’t go to Church, neither shall the children. But the same study also seems to show that most children will go as adults if their father alone attends. So should all Catholic mothers, for the sake of statistics, lose their faith?

Before I had technically agreed to date my boyfriend I told him no-- because he was not Catholic and I assumed I was not allowed to date him. I was then informed that I could. So I took back the rejection and that is something that I in no way, shape or form regret. Or ever shall. He is a good man, caring and loving. He and I discuss faith and religion, we can and do work things out if there is a problem.

I do ask that this thread continue, there is still much to talk about and it is a nice discussion.

For those that say never, are you friends with non-Catholics? Almost seems to me as if you can’t be-- the way some of these posts read it is as if you see them as another species that cannot be mingled with.
 
Definitely more common for the woman to convert to the man’s faith, and not vice versa. Women who are trying to convert their men to their faith are really playing with fire, and there are very few success stories to speak of.
any studies in peer review articles ? PM me
 
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