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Benadam
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I’m not sure of what you consider a transcient image because there are references to measurements that I would view as transcient images in the text.
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Laurel
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jmm08,
My response was in all seriousness, and I am sorry you took it any other way. I believe that some would say that three people with 6 letters in their first, middle and last names must somehow be cursed, esp. the one with no confirmation name. You don’t agree?
My response was in all seriousness, and I am sorry you took it any other way. I believe that some would say that three people with 6 letters in their first, middle and last names must somehow be cursed, esp. the one with no confirmation name. You don’t agree?
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Benadam
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I don’t think it’s been posted in this thread yet what the placement of mark of the beast means.
The meaning of a mark on the forehead relates to a type of mind.
" as a man thinks so he is"
The mark on the hand is the visible expression that mind manifests through the works of the person marked.
Christians are marked with a cross and have the mind of Christ.
The worshippers of the beast of course are marked with it’s imitation 666.
The right hand represents a persons righteousness the left a persons iniquity.
The word insidious used to be a reference to left handedness.
The meaning of a mark on the forehead relates to a type of mind.
" as a man thinks so he is"
The mark on the hand is the visible expression that mind manifests through the works of the person marked.
Christians are marked with a cross and have the mind of Christ.
The worshippers of the beast of course are marked with it’s imitation 666.
The right hand represents a persons righteousness the left a persons iniquity.
The word insidious used to be a reference to left handedness.
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MaggieOH
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good points
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oriel36
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Benadam
The language of the Book Of Revelation is not gematria,it is geometry and a very familiar geometry at that.
I did not set out to ’ figure out’ the Book Of Revelation and like most people the work would ,at one time, have amounted to a dormant language with little relevence to Christ or Christianity save the usual humdrum reference to Rome and Nero accepted by most.
Four numbers changed all that -
36 Deg, 72 Deg, 108 Deg and 144 Deg.
scienceu.com/geometry/articles/tiling/penrose.html
So again,if you may,divide 432 into 4,3 and 2.
Here is a clue for one who has wisdom .
288 - 108 = 180 deg
324 - 144 = 180 deg
Chi- Rho.
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oriel36
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The point is that I do not complain that many treat the Book Of Revelation and the Johannine author with nothing short of contempt.It is a masterpiece of my Christian heritage and a miracle of the highest order.
I apologise if I give you the impression that I am free to wander at will through the Work and organise the images to suit my purpose or purposes.
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MaggieOH
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So everyone has their favourite understanding of the “Beast” and the meaning of 666. Well here is one that is a little to the left field:
check this out: 1Kings 11:14
The weight of the gold coming to Solomon in one year was six hundred and sixty-six (666) talents of gold, not counting what came in from merchant’s dues.
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check this out: 1Kings 11:14
The weight of the gold coming to Solomon in one year was six hundred and sixty-six (666) talents of gold, not counting what came in from merchant’s dues.
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Hello on this second day of a New Year ! Blessings to you and your family ! Sometimes folks do not express themselves as well as they would like.** Please do not take offence and thank you for letting us know how you feel**. I will add several web-links that might help you to see why many Catholics do not seem very serious about all the predictions etc. When I was young…I am old now…
I became** very** interested in all of this … I prayed about it… read five or six books and **eventually left it all in God’s hands…**Christ had answered someone in scripture …it is not given to anyone to know…he did not know himself…only the Father knew that day and hour…and I left it alone. What is really important is to do the things that Jesus Christ asked us to do and to be ready to meet him when the time comes.God Bless You,
Shalom,
Catherine
catholic.com/thisrock/2000/0009bite.asp
There is also a tape by Scott Hann…
salvationhistory.com/bookstore/audioRsrcs.cfm
catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0209fea5.asp
Shalom,
Catherine
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jmm08
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Laurel: I took no offense.
And I appreciate that your comments are sincere. From what little exposure I’ve had to Satanism (and any resulting understanding), accidental or unintended coincidences are meaningless. If somebody has six letters in one or all of their names – and as long as there was no evil intent when they were given such names – then there is no real meaning of evil in their name. If somebody draws an inverted pentagram or a hexagram without an evil intent, it means no evil.
I suppose it is like receiving a sacrament in the Church. The validity of a Catholic Holy Sacrament is dependent on the intent. To be valid, there needs to be the intent of the Priest and the intent of the one receiving the sacrament. St. Thomas Acquinas notes that even if a baby who cannot have intent is Baptized, the intention is made good by Christ.
Regarding www == 666, etc. It is my experience (and I’m sure that others can provide testimony), that there is an abundance of evil and seductive sites on the Internet. Anyone can use a search engine to get a good start on finding exactly what evil topic they are interested in. Even the language barrier is broken. It is quite easy to read most web-sites in fairly understandable English even if the web site is in another language.
I was unaware of www.istheBeast.com
But I am not surprised at what that web site suggests.
Artificial intelligence and virtual reality have been and continue to be very hot areas of research. And the computer gaming industry (including violent and pornographic games) is resulting in some people becoming violent criminals or sex offenders (who otherwise might not have).
Whether 666 is the final beast (of the last days) is obviously speculative.
But I am convinced that the Internet is facilitating much evil at this time and especially for the current young-adults who spend a lot of time playing certain evil computer games.
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Sean_O_L
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To which Desmond Birch, noted author of Trial, Tribulation and Triumph would add that it is a pure waste of time and energy! Here is a summary of his reasons:
Desmond Birch’s summary:
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A long list of Canonized Saints, Blessed, and Venerable have stated that the period of turmoil we are living through with be followed by an Age of Peace - and that that 'Peace' will precede the rise of the Antichrist.
Those Church approved Catholic Prophets are very very specific about the chain of events which will precede the rise of the Antichrist. They all say that the Age of Peace comes before the Antichrist.
The Church has always taught that until the entire world is evangelized - and a following worldwide apostasy takes place - the antichrist cannot come. Read St. Paul. He had to write to one of the early Churches telling them about these things - because they were going off the rails thinking that Antichrist had already arrived. Read St. Paul. The more it changes, the more it stays the same. We have been given signs as to what must precede the Antichrist. And they have not yet been fulfilled.
I also sense (as put it so well) a 'new grace afoot'.
In my experience, those who do not sense the 'new grace' are immersing themselves only in bad news - and will even on occasion violently resist and reject any good news. When that happens it usually emanates from a kind of spiritual 'death wish'.
Those who fully accept the Christian Virtue of "Hope" (on an equal footing with those of "Faith" and "Charity" do not suffer from that particular problem.
St. Faustina tells us that Our Lord told us to concentrate on His Divine Mercy at this time in salvation history.
That is good direction and advice.
The Antichrist cannot already be here for the following reasons:
All the Fathers and Doctors of the Church who have written on the Antichrist state the following:
1. The Gospel will first have to have been preached to all nations/peoples in world. That hasn't happened yet.
a. If you will read the Holy Father's Encyclical 'Redemptoris Missio' - he specifically states that the Evangelical work of the Church is "far from over" and "only just beginning".
b. John Paul II states in 'Ecclesia in Asia' - that it is ironic that on the very continent in which Christ began his mission - that Continent has not yet been evangelized except in scattered parts of that Continent - and Asia holds 2.3 of the worlds people.
c. The Holy Father further states in 'Ecclesia in Asia' that he "sees" Asia finally being evangelized in the Third Millennium.
d. The Holy Father and the Prefect of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples have also both stated that "East Africa" has virtually never been evangelized at all. The reason for that is that the Moslems got there before Christianity - and have martyred Christian Missionaries ever since - almost as fast as they arrive there.
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Sean_O_L
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- The worldwide ‘Apostacy’ which St. Paul speaks of has not happened yet. Apostacy and heresy are not the same thing. Apostacy is a total renunciation of their Christina Faith by a baptized Christian. Far from the happening, in large parts of the world the Church is growing faster than ever before in history. Africa is a case in point, and so is Asia.
Code:These are just a couple of things which we know from Scripture and Tradition must precede that arrival of the Antichrist. No - the Antichrist is not here - and he won't be coming till after the entire world has been evangelized - and then after that - the apostacy occurs. According to literally dozens of Canonized Saints, Blessed and Venerable (who are prophets who enjoy Church-approval - the era we are living through now is going to come to an abrupt end (attempts at World Govt., etc.) and the Age of Peace will ensue. After that Age of Peace - they all state that then and only then does the Anticharist make his appearance. Now - that is looking at things from the perspective of 'private prophecy' from many dozens of Saints, Blessed, and Venerable and other Church-approved prophets. From the perspective of Public Revelation - we are told and the Church teaches that first the Gospel must be preached to all the nations/peoples. The Holy Father and Church History teach us this has not yet occurred - not even close. After the World has been totally evangelized - which the Holy Father has repeatedly stated will occur sometime in the Third Millennium - then we have to go through the Apostacy - which St. Paul teaches us the faithful must precede the coming of the Antichrist. As to your last question - I deal with the attraction of believing the Antichrist is coming at any time at length in 'Trial, Tribulation & Triumph' (TTT). If you have not read it - you will find a full discussion of this subject in there. Every single century has had false deluded 'alleged' prophets claiming they were told the Antichrist is either already here - or is about to come. In every century, there have been people wildly enamored of listening to their false prophecy - for reasons I discuss in depth in TTT. BTW, I discussed in TTT the fact that there were current prophets claiming the Antichrist would make his actual appearance by the year 2000 - or by the year 1998. I was the only author to write a major book on the subject who came right out and said that could not possibly be so. I put my reputation on the line by stating that. How did I know??? Because the signs given in Scripture and Tradition and found in the writing of the Fathers of the Church from the Apostolic Tradition clearly delineate certain events which must precede that Antichrist. I knew all those thing could not happen in the five years between 1995 (when I was writing that part of TTT) and the year 2000. It was a no-brainer.
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Benadam
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I was reminded of the number of years Enoch lived which is the same number of days in a year. Since he didn’t experience death.
Gold=money in that passage?
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oriel36
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Did it ever occur to you that the Hebrew scribe was drawing attension to the artificial structure of the chronology of the genealogical structure from Adam to Noah by determining the years of Enoch as 365 years ?.
Have you any idea just how exquisite the Genesis structure is -
Genesis 5 Genealogy.
etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=RsvGene.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=5&division=div1
Age of father at birth of son.
Adam 130 years
Seth 105
Enosh 90
Kenan 70
Mahalel 65
Jared 162
Enoch 65
Methusaleh 187
Lamech 182
Noah 600 (age at time of flood Gen 7)
Total years from creation to flood = 1656 years
1656 AT 52.17 per year = 86,393.52 weeks
Gen 7 " in the second month,on the 17th day of the month" where Noah
is 600 yrs old at time of flood is anywhere within the 45th day
45.36/7 day week =6.48 weeks).
86,393.52 + 6.48 = 86,400 weeks from creation to destruction. Gen 7
“on the precise day named”
There are 86,400 seconds in a 24 hour cycle.
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You are fortunate that you can just go your own way without having to bother further with why the Genesis author singled Enoch out,why he formatted the text that way and how it fits into the greater structure of the Genesis text from Adam to Noah’s flood .
If the existence of mathematical facets in the texts was anything less than a soaring appreceation of Divine Nature by men I would not attempt to present outlines of their structures just as others have for over a century and a half (Campbell,Oppert).
Given the option of reducing the ancient structures to trivia or withdrawing,it is with great satisfaction that I withdraw without prejudice.
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Bill_A
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peace at the end of a sword is no peace.
The mark is some kind of credit card chip or RFID chip or smart dust chip.
Palm flower from logans run.
http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content/palm-flower.jpg
The mark is some kind of credit card chip or RFID chip or smart dust chip.
Palm flower from logans run.
http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content/palm-flower.jpg
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Sean O L said:
Dear Sean OL,
I say Amen to virtually everything that you have said. however, some comments: First, in Birch’s work, the introductory priest who did the forward confirms that we ARE living in an Apostasy, it’s just that it’s not the GREAT one of Antichrist, but rather the MINOR apostasy of the apostasy of the mystics you have discussed that PRECEDES the Age of Peace.
Secondly, what I don’t understand about Birch is why he goes to such trouble to condemn chiliasm (which he rightly should), but makes no discussion of POSTmillennialismt, whjich, in my opinion is highly appropritate for the Age of Peace of interpretation. In that vein, why doesn’t Father kramer make the simple connection: we’re already PAST the second woe! For what follows the second woe is already in our midst: Rev. 9:20-21: murder (abortion), sorcery (contraception), fornication, thefts and idols (materialism).
it’s easy to see: in the first woe, man is tortured but not killed, symbolizing the Protestant Revolt: the supernatiural life of man is not killed but only frustrated. Then, in the second woe, a thrid of man “dies,” spiritually in the Enlightenment and Rennasaince. The thrid woe is then the apostasy and tribulation, having a dual fulfillemntm, first in the Minor Apostasy and Conditional Chastisement, and then in the Great Apostasy and Great Chastisement of Antichrist.
God Bless.
Scott
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Benadam
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I’ve heard that the year is different now in length than it was in ancient times. Real ancient times. Thinking of how the months have to be numbered and that the ideal month may be 36 days the year would be 432 days long. Maybe it was that before sin? I don’t know but if you subtract the current number that represents the year 365.4 from 432 you get 66.6.
I’m still looking at the numbers you posted in regards of the sons of Adam. I have noticed a wonderfull pattern in that sequence a number of years ago. I used to draw graphs and such. I haven’t pinned it down as far as meaning. Something I’ve noticed recently though in the patterns of Cain’s line and Adam’s line is a clue to the riddle in revelation which is also a characteristic of time as it is percieved by fallen man. 5 are gone 1 is here now 1 is yet to come etc.
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MaggieOH
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Yes, God=money in the passage. I was alerted to this passage by a priest that I know
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MaggieOH
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Yes, Gold=money in the passage. I was alerted to this passage by a priest that I know
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Benadam
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That is as you say exquisite. Time seems to be a key element doesn’t it? Isn’t time the most sublime element of matter? Brings to mind how consciousness seems connected to time too.
that number brings to mind the speed of light or the distance to the moon in miles …not sure.
St Augustine’s meditation on time…I’ll paraphrase Time can’t be measured till it’s past, it can’t be concieved in a single unit in the present, and it doesn’t exist untill it arrives.
My thought on that is: it once was, but now is not, and is yet to come.
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