Is America too divided?

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Melissa said:
It cost $200 for the coursework to obtain my concealed carry permit (16 hours total), it cost $150 for the permit itself. Because I live in Illinois, I also had to get a FOID card (although that only costs $10).
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We’re not talking about concealed carry training. We’re talking about training people to essentially become one-person swat teams.
 
You’ve been bought and sold a bill of goods and sound like a spokesperson for the NRA, difference being you do it for free. I have no intention of taking anything from your “cold dead hands” as you put it so succinctly, I’ll leave that to the gun toting, angry, lunatic fringe that run around unchecked and can take out any law abiding citizen anywhere, anytime, and any place when the conspiracies within their heads become too much to bear, all because they have their gun rights.

He had his right to own his guns including a weapon with the capability and main purpose of taking out a swath of persons quickly.

But, when his right infringed on the right to life for those within that synagogue it became null and void, he’ll never have another time to procure that right again. Driving a car is a privilege, but drunk driving laws are strict. Since severe punishments have ensued under tighter laws the rate of drunk driving deaths decreased significantly. The main purpose of those laws is to thwart a would be drunk driver because it is a danger to society and I advocate as much for deadly firearms. Their right to life lost out to his right to own a gun, and according to my priorities it should never be.
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
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Melissa:
It cost $200 for the coursework to obtain my concealed carry permit (16 hours total), it cost $150 for the permit itself. Because I live in Illinois, I also had to get a FOID card (although that only costs $10).
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We’re not talking about concealed carry training. We’re talking about training people to essentially become one-person swat teams.
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That’s quite a goalpost shift. Not buying it.
 
And the price of a gun is? I really have no idea.
I have never bought one.
 
There are places in the world where people need to arm themselves in order to go to the store or to Church, Honduras is one such place. People do not want to live that way. I do not want to live that way.
 
Self defense will take the place of what, math? English? Biology? Music?
redbetta said:
Also, you constantly bring up God in defense of your positions. I find it funny how the left side of the aisle has become more sanctimonious than the supposed “religious right.”
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To paint everyone who disagrees with your particular choice that every man woman and child pack a gun and become a nation that is unrecognizable as “far left” and “sanctimonious”, really?

My Diocese forbids guns on Church or School, on any parish/Diocese grounds. We do not have armed guards. You would assume that every leader in my Diocese is “far left” and “sanctimonious”?

A challenge to you, debate ideas without calling names. This practice will serve you well in the future.
 
redbetta said:
You can call on His name without making a show of it on a public forum. You just come across as sanctimonious.
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Public prayer is now sanctimonious?

Honestly, I’m a little bit concerned. Maybe step away from any news or political media during Advent? Make it a time to focus on Christ and personal devotion to Him. I tell you, I did that once for Lent and it changed me.
 
Provide documentation of a police department in the United States that requires municipal police officers or State Troopers to purchase, out of pocket, their own “guns and vests”.

There are departments who provide an annual/biannual, etc stipend to officers, but, that does not come out of the officer’s pocket. It is like McDonald’s giving each employee $500 per year to buy uniforms/shoes. If the employee wants to spend more on specific shoes or a tailored uniform, they need to budget for that.
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
It would prevent a multitude of talented people for whom owning, carrying, and operating a firearm is impossible/impractical/unsafe from becoming teachers, and potentially cause an even greater decrease in the quality of our educational system.
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Many people with disabilities would also be left out of the education system, both teachers and students. What an Orwellian prospect!
 
TheLittleLady said:
Agree, the new chic is to blame the victim 😦
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I don’t think anyone is blaming the victims. I know I’m not. But I do want worshippers to be safe, and if hiring and armed security guard will help with that, I’m all for it.
 
TheLittleLady said:
There are places in the world where people need to arm themselves in order to go to the store or to Church, Honduras is one such place. People do not want to live that way. I do not want to live that way.
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I do not want to live that way, either, but it’s better than being gunned down or seeing loving, innocent people at prayer or worship being gunned down. With all the inflammatory rhetoric in this country and the toxic effect of social media, mentally unstable persons are feeling empowered and some are taking action.
 
yankeesouth said:
The gun is a tool that can be used for evil just like forceps and scalpels are tools that can be used for evil. But I don’t see Catholics calling for forcep control. It’s not the tool that is the problem. If life is not respected from conception then it is not surprising that it is not respected in other stages of life whether it is by gun or pulling a plug. You need to look at the left and the culture of death.
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The tool is the problem. An assault rifle is designed to kill the maximum number of persons in the minimum amount of time. No one outside of LE or the military needs that to hunt, to skeet shoot, to protect himself, etc.

Had the shooter in the synagogue had forceps or scissors, things that can cause death, he couldn’t have killed eleven people. And everyone knows that. The analogy you used was not apropos.
 
These apparent storms of divisions should seem unsurprising considering the intemperate efforts of so many and for so long to create the winds of discord now blowing. Though most claim to want unity, to want calm and tranquility and civility amidst these tempests of time, most desire it only by means of the conversions or negation of those who would dare think differently from them. And so, we remain adrift on an angry sea, crestfallen and directionless, bereft of that very peace once enjoyed by all but now dimmed in our collective memory.
 
That’s completely contrary to the Constitution. And history has proved the Founders of the Constitution correct - “LE and Military” in form of tyrannical government is precisely the #1 threat to every human. Killed 150,000,000 people in past 100 years alone. LE and Military already massively out-arm the citizenry, so we need LESS weaponry in hands of LE and Military, and MORE in hands of citizenry. Historical fact makes that obvious.

Besides, an assault weapon is only “tool” a single woman would stand a chance against a couple of men invading her home.
 
You are quite correct. Blades are much safer than guns. We never had any trouble until guns were invented. 😎

 
I’ve been saying that too. A lot of people have been saying that. Thank you for saying that again.

 
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