Is America too divided?

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DENNYINMI said:
untrained and unwilling. You’re talking about enacting it as law. What’s next? the veterinarian for oral surgery? Teachers, are not by right (unless perhaps having been in the military or former police) trained to enforce law with the use of guns in a military type of atmosphere. Clearer now?
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Unwilling? Really? How do you know that? And I would expect a veterinarian for oral surgery on my dog, yes.
 
YHWH_Christ said:
It makes perfect sense, you just don’t want to admit it.
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No, it doesn’t. A more expensive education doesn’t mean that a person has better grades or is more qualified.

Anyway, off topic.
 
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YHWH_Christ said:
Unwilling? Really? How do you know that? And I would expect a veterinarian for oral surgery on my dog, yes.
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Enacting a law for a vocation that has it’s focus on education to carry a gun and engage an active shooter while defending and moving a classroom of frightened children to safety is insane. Sorry, not buying it, and neither are many others. This was suggested before and I have not seen any teacher unions fighting for this as part of their job description.
 
Looking forward to your call to control forceps, scalpels and any other tool used in abortions…
 
yankeesouth said:
Looking forward to your call to control forceps, scalpels and any other tool used in abortions…
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Although not the current discussion we were having (nor the topic) and not being personally familiar with the instruments utilized in the procedure, perhaps you could begin a topic and enlighten us. I’ll join the discussion if I choose to.

Have a wonderful evening.
 
YHWH_Christ said:
“The Amazing Grace” Or are we going to make people pay out of pocket, putting everyone who can’t afford or doesn’t have time for extensive active shooter scenario training at a disadvantage?
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It’s the current status quo.

It cost $200 for the coursework to obtain my concealed carry permit (16 hours total), it cost $150 for the permit itself. Because I live in Illinois, I also had to get a FOID card (although that only costs $10).

My range membership costs me $200/year, and I can go anytime during daylight hours any day of the year. I usually make it once a week for live fire; I do dry fire practice daily at home (which is a lot cheaper, though I beat up my snap caps something fierce). I spend about $20 per week for 200 rounds of 22LR (which I use for the bulk of my practice because of cost). FMJ for the 9mm runs me about $15/week (50 rounds). The JHP I don’t shoot much of–so I keep the cost of that down. I mostly print my own targets from a website, so that just costs me basic typing paper and printer ink.

Those of us who intend to be our own bodyguards just quietly do that … we’re definitely not looking for a handout from the government to cover that cost. I think that the “arming teachers” is more of an issue with repealing “gun free zone” laws (which are really “bad guy invitation zones”) and allow school faculty and/or staff who have followed their state’s regulations for concealed carry to do so. Maybe on a school district by school district basis, decisions might be made to then cover some portion of the permit cost.
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TheAmazingGrace said:
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Having more people armed can stop a rampage sooner.
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Or add to the casualties. My old shooting instructor used to advise against consuming sugar or caffeine 48 hours before a competition, because it would mess with our aim. If merely drinking coffee is enough to compromise the accuracy of one’s shot, imagine how much worse it’s going to be when:
  1. You’re in a crowded area full of people screaming, panicking, and running.
  2. You have a moving target who is also trying to kill you.
  3. Your target likely has more firepower than you.
  4. You have an ungodly amount of adrenaline coursing through your body.
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Apples and oranges, really–in a shooting competition, shot placement is so crucial that a few millimeters one way or another can make the difference in winning vs not winning. But for self defense, the general advice is to “train the way you are” and if all the rounds hit paper, that’s a good result (rather than drilling a hole in the center).
 
The gun is a tool that can be used for evil just like forceps and scalpels are tools that can be used for evil. But I don’t see Catholics calling for forcep control. It’s not the tool that is the problem. If life is not respected from conception then it is not surprising that it is not respected in other stages of life whether it is by gun or pulling a plug. You need to look at the left and the culture of death.
 
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yankeesouth said:
If life is not respected from conception then it is not surprising that it is not respected in other stages of life whether it is by gun or pulling a plug.
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I agree with you here and I would venture to say most do. The concept is from conception to grave but the current discussion stemmed from those within that synagogue who lost their lives, and one was in their 90’s. He/She too had a right to life.
 
Of course but it seems when these tragedies happen we hear from liberal Catholics gun control, gun control. Meanwhile abortion kills far more than guns so if they think the tool is the problem then why aren’t they calling for control of abortion tools?
 
TheAmazingGrace said:
No, it doesn’t. A more expensive education doesn’t mean that a person has better grades or is more qualified.
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If they passed, perhaps it does. I’m not making this my main argument or anything but I’m just pointing out the possibility.
 
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But it’s really not… It’s one of the more practical solutions actually. But the left isn’t open for anything. People who hate gun rights just do not want to cooperate. Again, you’re just pushing your agenda. You do not want a solution, instead you want our rights, given to us by our founding fathers (actually given to us by God), taken away from us. It is you, the left, pushing us apart. Your side is the cause of polarization in America. Well sir, the only way you’ll ever take my guns are from my cold dead hands.
 
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redbetta said:
First, let’s define what the obvious and basic ones are. People can’t even seem to agree on those.
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I see what you mean.
Aside from not killing each other, I realized freedom of speech and religion among others are on a spectrum and there are major disagreements.
 
And that’s a problem. His brusque ness, and seeming indifference to the effect it has, not to mention his insistence on using terms that have very specific connotations such as nationalist… embolden the fringe right.
 
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