Is capitalism a special form of slavery?

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Robert_Sock said:
What I’m saying is that forcing children to work is unethical. They belong in school… or should I say they belong in a religious school. I’m not a political scientist, just had one course in poly sci and it was on this very topic. The professor was very concerned with the “forced” hard labor and blamed it on capitalism. Capitalists are in love with their ideology, and would never blame the ills in the world on capitalism. They have the tendency to twist things and blame the victims. Pope Francis, I hope, will help enlighten people as to the severe injustices in the world.

Again, capitalism has had it’s place in the world history, but I do not believe it is any longer. Humanitarianism will soon abound in the world, and the pain and suffering associated with harsh poverty will be eliminated.
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Since they already have laws against such abuse, perhaps you should go down there, pass the bar exam, and ‘fight the system’ as a social justice lawyer!

If you don’t care that much, then feel free to donate your spare cash to your favorite charity fighting injustice.
 
Theo520 said:
Since they already have laws against such abuse, perhaps you should go down there, pass the bar exam, and ‘fight the system’ as a social justice lawyer!

If you don’t care that much, then feel free to donate your spare cash to your favorite charity fighting injustice.
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I think that the power of prayer is vastly underrated. I do pray (Contemplative Prayer) and I donate to a Catholic charity called Save the Children.
 
Theo520 said:
Since they already have laws against such abuse, perhaps you should go down there, pass the bar exam, and ‘fight the system’ as a social justice lawyer!

If you don’t care that much, then feel free to donate your spare cash to your favorite charity fighting injustice.
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Robert said he himself lives for hand to mouth.
He is living in this "mythical " place,experiencing himself what he is trying to convey ,perhaps.
 
Robert_Sock said:
When you see all the poverty in Third-World countries while the elite grow fat, it’s hard to deny. It is us, the Western World, that takes resources from the poor countries, and pay next to nothing to the workers. Having 9,500 children dying each day of starvation, with few lifting a finger to help, is nothing less than barbaric on the part of capitalists. Child laborers are common, with nobody caring enough to stop this awful crime.
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Wait a minute! Third world. Capitalism. A dichotomy.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Do you have a reference of the workers being paid extremely well? Costa Rica might be an exception, but we need the source of your claim. The main point of this thread is that Western Capitalism causes extreme poverty that results in millions of deaths each year due to malnourishment in Third World countries, and your posts seem to seriously downplay this economic fact.
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So prior to western capitalism these countries enjoyed prosperity?
 
estesbob said:
So prior to western capitalism these countries enjoyed prosperity?
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Western capitalism stunted their growth and prosperity. Many of these nations are in countries very rich in natural resources, but we basically take what we need for very little in exchange.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Western capitalism stunted their growth and prosperity. Many of these nations are in countries very rich in natural resources, but we basically take what we need for very little in exchange.
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So they would be growing faster and better if we didn’t want to buy their resources? Please explain that, how would it work?

I know the US colonies got their start selling resources to Europe.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Western capitalism stunted their growth and prosperity. Many of these nations are in countries very rich in natural resources, but we basically take what we need for very little in exchange.
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What were they doing with these resources
 
estesbob said:
What were they doing with these resources
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The resources in Africa include diamonds, salt, gold, iron, cobalt, uranium, copper, bauxite, silver, petroleum and cocoa beans, but also woods and tropical fruits, all needed by technologically advanced Western societies.
 
Robert_Sock said:
When you see all the poverty in Third-World countries while the elite grow fat, it’s hard to deny. It is us, the Western World, that takes resources from the poor countries, and pay next to nothing to the workers. Having 9,500 children dying each day of starvation, with few lifting a finger to help, is nothing less than barbaric on the part of capitalists. Child laborers are common, with nobody caring enough to stop this awful crime.
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Don’t blame the failure and unfortunate circumstances of others on the “elites” aka the Western World. Africa isn’t the way it is because of the Western World. Same with the Philippines, parts of India etc. Even the ghettos of America, if one has an inkling of understanding of economic systems, would have a tough time blaming capitalism for its state.
 
Midwest88 said:
Don’t blame the failure and unfortunate circumstances of others on the “elites” aka the Western World. Africa isn’t the way it is because of the Western World. Same with the Philippines, parts of India etc. Even the ghettos of America, if one has an inkling of understanding of economic systems, would have a tough time blaming capitalism for its state.
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So why do you think the gross inequalities between us and the Third World exists? Even if it’s not a crime that they exists, which it is, it’s clearly a moral evil to just sit back and let people die from malnourishment. Whoever does not give alms according to his or her ability is committing a grave sin against God!
 
Robert_Sock said:
So why do you think the gross inequalities between us and the Third World exists? Even if it’s not a crime that they exists, which it is, it’s clearly a moral evil to just sit back and let people die from malnourishment. Whoever does not give alms according to his or her ability is committing a grave sin against God!
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First, we already had the discussion that none are dying from starvation or malnourishment.

The cause is their ineffective local governance, plain and simple. You should go there and run for office.
 
Theo520 said:
First, we already had the discussion that none are dying from starvation or malnourishment.

The cause is their ineffective local governance, plain and simple. You should go there and run for office.
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Your argument is that they are dying from disease, but in your shortsightedness, you fail to admit that the diseases are a direct result of malnourishment.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Your argument is that they are dying from disease, but in your shortsightedness, you fail to admit that the diseases are a direct result of malnourishment.
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Nope, I’m the one that told you those facts.
I don’t misrepresent the issues.

Correcting malnourishment in such countries that have ample resources is about education, not sending them tons of US wheat (last thing they need)
 
Theo520 said:
Nope, I’m the one that told you those facts.
I don’t misrepresent the issues.

Correcting malnourishment in such countries that have ample resources is about education, not sending them tons of US wheat (last thing they need)
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What you’re saying is absurd! Did you ever hear the saying: “Blaming the victim?”
 
Everything grows in tropical countries.

But they do have some “issues”.

Education is terrible.

The culture is based around tribal lines.

And their military and government have those same divisions.

There was an article today about how Niger is falling apart along totalitarian lines. Cannot provide the link because registration is needed.

They have natural resources but are unable to turn those things into usable products … things that they can put to use right there.

It takes organization to put those natural resources to work. But because of their tribal loyalties, they are unable to benefit from the knowledge and intellectual resources of the smartest people in the country or region.

To this day there are terrible persecutions … so the victims decide they have had enough and migrate to England or France or to the United States … and become extremely well off.

There are models for education that they could adopt. For example, at least a hundred years ago, the United States started to establish what we call agricultural and mechanical colleges where people learn engineering and horticultural skills. Do you find these models being in the third and fourth world countries? So their best people leave.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
Everything grows in tropical countries.

But they do have some “issues”.

Education is terrible.

The culture is based around tribal lines.

And their military and government have those same divisions.

There was an article today about how Niger is falling apart along totalitarian lines. Cannot provide the link because registration is needed.

They have natural resources but are unable to turn those things into usable products … things that they can put to use right there.

It takes organization to put those natural resources to work. But because of their tribal loyalties, they are unable to benefit from the knowledge and intellectual resources of the smartest people in the country or region.

To this day there are terrible persecutions … so the victims decide they have had enough and migrate to England or France or to the United States … and become extremely well off.

There are models for education that they could adopt. For example, at least a hundred years ago, the United States started to establish what we call agricultural and mechanical colleges where people learn engineering and horticultural skills. Do you find these models being in the third and fourth world countries? So their best people leave.
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Much of what you say here may be true for some living in the tropical areas, but people and government must still intervene. If education is important in ending hunger, then we must pull together as a group and provide education. Whatever the root of the problem, we must correct it.
 
Did you know that it is against the law to pass up a bad accident where people may be in need of help? It’s the moral thing to do, and it’s our responsibility even if we do not want to involve ourselves.

How much more are we morally obligated to feed the hungry who are living in extreme poverty in Third World countries? It’s an ongoing atrocity that kills approximately 9,500 innocent children EACH DAY from hunger or hunger related diseases and illnesses.

Help me out here, what causes most everyone to turn their heads and pretend not to notice, or to feel that it’s not their problem?
 
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