Is Christ Spiritually Present in Protestant Communion? (POLL)

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QUOTE=Tantum ergo]Well, katherine, since most of the protestant groups do not recognize the “Lord’s Supper” AS a sacrament, that would pretty much preclude Him being PRESENT as a sacrament.

God does not do the impossible. He cannot make a boulder so large that He could not move it, for example, because that sort of impossibility is ridiculous, and God is not ridiculous. Yes, but I believe God is limited by His own Words .He will not go against what He says. 😉
 
Yes,but I believe God is limited by his own Words. He will not go against what he has said.
 
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SPOKENWORD:
Yes,but I believe God is limited by his own Words. He will not go against what he has said.
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He has said Christ IS present according to Catholic teaching on the Eucharist. He has never said Christ is not present in other situations.

Don’t put limits on God’s love.
 
Not only is Christ not present in their communion we must be aware that Christ might not even be present in their prayers and communal worship. An eccesial community that teaches acting homosexuals can lead their prayers or a pastor who calls for the fall of Catholicism can not be considered as being “gathered in My name” intenetion of scripture.

You cannot be gathered in His name and be teaching false doctrines for nothing false exists in His name.

The outward appearance of sincerity of ones actions does not force the presence of God. I suggest we never loose sight of how God deals with those who usurp the authority of his ordained ministers, Numbers 16 or those who claim to be something that God has not ordained. To speak of not judging or that all prayers will be answered outside of the full context and meaning of for example Matthew 7 is a distortion of scripture.

God Bless
 
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Deacon2006:
Not only is Christ not present in their communion we must be aware that Christ might not even be present in their prayers and communal worship. An eccesial community that teaches acting homosexuals can lead their prayers or a pastor who calls for the fall of Catholicism can not be considered as being “gathered in My name” intenetion of scripture.

You cannot be gathered in His name and be teaching false doctrines for nothing false exists in His name.

The outward appearance of sincerity of ones actions does not force the presence of God. I suggest we never loose sight of how God deals with those who usurp the authority of his ordained ministers, Numbers 16 or those who claim to be something that God has not ordained. To speak of not judging or that all prayers will be answered outside of the full context and meaning of for example Matthew 7 is a distortion of scripture.

God Bless
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Gods Words are not full of errors. Its man that commits errors.There are allot wolves dressed up as sheep.BEWARE :eek:
 
DEACON:

I see your point, but never really thought about that.
Thanks for your comments.
Christi
 
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SPOKENWORD:
Gods Words are not full of errors. Its man that commits errors.There are allot wolves dressed up as sheep.BEWARE :eek:
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I agree and the way we know if they are sheep or wolves is to see if the doctrines they teach about Jesus and the Church are built on the rock… Kephas…Peter. 🙂

God Bless
 
I said yes. The way I was raised is that all who love God and worship him take communion and that he is present with them.
 
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Deacon2006:
Not only is Christ not present in their communion we must be aware that Christ might not even be present in their prayers and communal worship. An eccesial community that teaches acting homosexuals can lead their prayers or a pastor who calls for the fall of Catholicism can not be considered as being “gathered in My name” intenetion of scripture.

You cannot be gathered in His name and be teaching false doctrines for nothing false exists in His name.

The outward appearance of sincerity of ones actions does not force the presence of God. I suggest we never loose sight of how God deals with those who usurp the authority of his ordained ministers, Numbers 16 or those who claim to be something that God has not ordained. To speak of not judging or that all prayers will be answered outside of the full context and meaning of for example Matthew 7 is a distortion of scripture.

God Bless
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The Holy Father seems to disagree with you.
 
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katherine2:
The Holy Father seems to disagree with you.
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Really, How so?

Surely you don’t believe that the Holy Father teaches that anyone can make up any doctrine they want, call it Christian and have a full expectation that it is blessed by God.

God Bless
 
We went to my in-laws this weekend. My mother-in-law is pentecostal and we went to services with her in the morning. I’ve to pentecostal services several times before but she just recently changed churches. I sat through the service longing for Mass (we went later that evening). I watched the people jump and clap and thought do they “feel” the spirit of God? Is He here? I felt nothing.

The pastor started talking about churches that “just go thru the same rituals week after week”, that the spirit wasn’t “alive” in those churches. He mentioned he had been to a Catholic church with a friend of his (who is Catholic) and then priest began to read John 3:16 and he shouted out “Amen!” As we sat there he shouted, jumped up and down, literally turned beet red as ran up and down the aisle saying he had the right to praise his Savior. That he wanted to belong to a church where he would be in the presence of God. I laughed outloud and said Amen!

I just kept thinking they just don’t get it. I watched the people thinking how sad I felt for them, that they we’re missing so much. DId this clapping, shouting, loud music. stomping and ranting and raving constitute praising God?

Our daughter thankfully was at “children’s church” where they mostly played games and had a snack.

So was God there? Probably in some way and I just felt like he was sad that his children had strayed so far from the Church he founded.
 
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Deacon2006:
Really, How so?

Surely you don’t believe that the Holy Father teaches that anyone can make up any doctrine they want, call it Christian and have a full expectation that it is blessed by God.

God Bless
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he has referred to the Protestant communions, in the official dialogues with them as “grace-filled”.
 
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katherine2:
he has referred to the Protestant communions, in the official dialogues with them as “grace-filled”.
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Okay I see what you mean, and yes I agree that so far as they reflect some truth then that truth is from God and as such blessed to that extent.

That however does not counter the point that I made. Protestant communion is not the flesh and blood of Christ and while some actual graces may be present in the community, the higher level sanctified graces found in Catholic Eucharist are not there.

Further the amount of error and rebellion being presented in the protestant communion service can severly reduce or eliminate even those actual graces that may have been present. For example when a protestant communion that denounces the catholic church etc. etc. The rejection to some extent of the graces of God is by defintion evidenced in each and every protestant denominations.

We can always pray that God will lead them closer to the fullness of truth and have them to stop rejecting more of the truth day by day which unfortunately seems to be the case for most main stream denominations.

God Bless
 
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No, if when you asked if Christ is present in a Protestant communion …you mean the “REAL PRESENCE” as in our Catholic Communion Host. The answer is ,"No!"

Why? The Protestant ministers have not been ordained by a valid Bishop. ( A Bishop that traces his linage back to St. Peter and the other Apostles - all Bishops). The Bishop lays hands on a new Priest giving him the keys to God’s Kingdom with certain offices. One of the things a Priest can do is to preside at Mass, and to have a valid Consecration ( allowing the Body and Blood of Jesus to Transubstantiate.)

Only a valid Priest, who has had the hands of a Bishop laid on him can consecrate the Hosts!
Sure, the spirit of Jesus may be in a gathering, BUT, transubtantiation doesn’t take place. Did you know that after the Protestant “communion” they throw away the remaining bread or crackers. Doesn’t sound like it was a big deal, huh? Hey, they know.
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Agreed…& accurate
 
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rayne89:
We went to my in-laws this weekend. My mother-in-law is pentecostal and we went to services with her in the morning. I’ve to pentecostal services several times before but she just recently changed churches. I sat through the service longing for Mass (we went later that evening). I watched the people jump and clap and thought do they “feel” the spirit of God? Is He here? I felt nothing.

The pastor started talking about churches that “just go thru the same rituals week after week”, that the spirit wasn’t “alive” in those churches. He mentioned he had been to a Catholic church with a friend of his (who is Catholic) and then priest began to read John 3:16 and he shouted out “Amen!” As we sat there he shouted, jumped up and down, literally turned beet red as ran up and down the aisle saying he had the right to praise his Savior. That he wanted to belong to a church where he would be in the presence of God. I laughed outloud and said Amen!

I just kept thinking they just don’t get it. I watched the people thinking how sad I felt for them, that they we’re missing so much. DId this clapping, shouting, loud music. stomping and ranting and raving constitute praising God?

So was God there? Probably in some way and I just felt like he was sad that his children had strayed so far from the Church he founded.
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One reason I left the A/G was this very wildly emotional atmosphere. I mean I cry at mass…but I am overwhelmed by the consecration and the Real Presence of the risen Christ that I am about to receive into my very soul. I pray the Anima Christi every time & love it! The Real Presence in the Eucharist is one of the most compelling reasons to be Catholic as well as one of the most glaringly scriptural doctrines. To me, this is one place where non-Catholics really have totally missed the boat. Their loss…God love 'em.
 
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Deacon2006:
Okay I see what you mean, and yes I agree that so far as they reflect some truth then that truth is from God and as such blessed to that extent.

That however does not counter the point that I made. Protestant communion is not the flesh and blood of Christ and while some actual graces may be present in the community, the higher level sanctified graces found in Catholic Eucharist are not there.
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I think it might be better said that the ASSURANCE of the Presence is not there. God can do what He wills. Don’t tell God there are places where He cannot go.
Further the amount of error and rebellion being presented in the protestant communion service can severly reduce or eliminate even those actual graces that may have been present.
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In the words of the pope to the Protestant communions** “Much more unites us than divides us.”**

So the amount of error is less than the amount of truth.
 
Not all Protestants believe the Eucharist is symbolical. Lutherans do not, nor do many Anglicans. Anglicans insist they have valid orders of course, which the Catholic Church denies. Anglicans lie to summarize what they believe about communin as follows:

"His were the Hands the bread did break;

His were the Words t’ were spake.

And whate’er His Words and Hands did make it,

This I believe and take it."
 
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flameburns623:
Not all Protestants believe the Eucharist is symbolical. Lutherans do not, nor do many Anglicans. Anglicans insist they have valid orders of course, which the Catholic Church denies. Anglicans lie to summarize what they believe about communin as follows:

"His were the Hands the bread did break;

His were the Words t’ were spake.

And whate’er His Words and Hands did make it,

This I believe and take it."
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I could see someone calling that a waffle, but how is it a lie?
 
And, incidentally, that little ditty, though cute, is not exactly in the liturgy (at least none I’ve ever heard). Queen Elizabeth often gets credit for it, but I believe Donne was the author.
 
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