Is Church Militant Schismatic?

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I don’t know about schismatic… definitely very bad.

Bishops forced them to remove the word Catholic from their company name … pretty good sign to stay away
 
Bataar said:
I think the more people that see the corruption in the church the better.
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Has there been any results because of that? Anyways that’s not the real problem, Voris just has to show more restraint and there won’t be any problem.
 
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VanitasVanitatum said:
Usually there should be a way to say the truth in a way that reasonably won’t.
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When you dance around the truth, trying to make it more palatable, it quite often isn’t the truth by the time you get done with it.

Ezekiel 3:18 New International Version (NIV)​

18 When I say to a wicked person, ‘You will surely die,’ and you do not warn them or speak out to dissuade them from their evil ways in order to save their life, that wicked person will die for[a] their sin, and I will hold you accountable for their blood.
 
ricmat said:
When you dance around the truth, trying to make it more palatable, it quite often isn’t the truth by the time you get done with it.
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If you use tact that won’t happen.
 
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And you are willing to be “accountable for their blood” because you were tactful and “they just didn’t get it?” (because you didn’t want to hurt their feelings?)

So let’s say you go the tactful-as-possible route, and they are not persuaded. What do you do then?
 
ricmat said:
So let’s say you go the tactful-as-possible route, and they are not persuaded. What do you do then?
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Saying it bluntly won’t change their minds either, prayer is the only recourse left in my opinion.
ricmat said:
because you were tactful and “they just didn’t get it?”
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Being tactful and being straightforward aren’t mutually exclusive.
 
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I agree with you that prayer is a last resort.

However, every person has the right to hear the unvarnished truth at least once in their life. Even if it hurts their feelings. By the way, having your feelings hurt is not the end of the world. Most people deal with it successfully on a regular basis.

A wise person can look back on those instances where a person said something “hurtful” but true, and in retrospect give thanks for that sage advice.
 
ricmat said:
However, every person has the right to hear the unvarnished truth at least once in their life.
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Being tactful won’t detract from the truth at all if done correctly and it is often better to do this when someone has already accepted Catholicism to a sufficient degree.
 
They overwhelmingly focus on criticism of the Pope, issues that hold gays negatively, and some others
 
ricmat said:
And you are willing to be “accountable for their blood” because you were tactful and “they just didn’t get it?” (because you didn’t want to hurt their feelings?)
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I think you are misinterpreting Ezekiel. He was called by God personally and set as a watchman, with this set of particular instructions. It simply cannot be extended to say that every human being is responsible for the blood of every other human being.
ricmat said:
I agree with you that prayer is a last resort.
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Prayer is our greatest weapon, not our last resort. God is stronger than Michael Voris. He is wiser and knows the hearts of men.
 
As Catholics we have duties as “priest, prophet, and king.”

Regarding prayer, of course we should pray in addition to other more direct actions. But once all else fails, all we are left with is prayer. “I’m praying for him” should not be used as the first and only tool, for fear that otherwise we might offend someone with the truth. As an aside, I know of many people who are offended if they know you are praying for them.

Was it Mother Teresa or Mother Angelica (I don’t remember) who said “Unless you are a thorn in somebody’s side, you are not being a good Catholic” (paraphrased).
 
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Often he was, even when being direct. I am thinking of the woman at the well, as well as his use of parables. With Pharisees, he was quite direct. But lest we forget, he is God. Not one of us has his authority.
 
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If Jesus had been tactful, then he probably wouldn’t have been crucified. No suffering, no pain, no sacrifice, no resurrection.

We are called to put God above all else, including even friends and family. We are told to walk in Jesus shoes and carry his cross.

But I understand the appeal of trying not to offend anyone, because it makes them feel bad, and therefore it makes me feel sad…
 
They’re particularly critical of other Catholic news outlets and dismiss those other outlets often for the sole reason that those outlets are connected to the hierarchy in some way like the USCCB, which they call (with this glib, dismissive tone) “the Bishops.” “That’s just the Bishops using their media outlet” etc. Very disrespectful and not really submissive to Church authority.

On the other hand they are pursuing the perpetrators of the abuse scandal vigorously. I love that.
 
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