Is Darwin's Theory Of Evolution True? Part Two

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Considering I as a taxpayer fund it, I want it accountable and free of bias. Peer review has its issues and is being reconsidered. Grants are withheld if you do not support current paradigms. People are fired for going against the grain.

This is the science we want?

See retractionwatch.org
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what has this to do with the topic. You are veering off into a general gripe.
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I’ll try to answer that. Buffalo is trying to discredit evolution by discrediting all scientific research. Since all science is untrustworthy, then evolution must be untrustworthy.
 
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What will man look like in 200,000 years?
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The future?

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Most likely.

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SciFi future.

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If evolution were real and we merely a random blip.

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Some believers might think.

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Seems that’s where we might be heading.
 
Not really. The modern synthesis has failed to explain the programming of life.
 
Nope. I am demanding science be true and accountable. That is good science and what we should want and expect. You wouldn’t want shoddy science in the operating room, would you?
 
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Techno2000:
The anglerfish has a specialized illuminated fishing lure that it uses to attract prey… how did the anglerfish survive waiting for evolution to evolve this lure ?
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Getting back to the OP, can you clarify what it is you are asking?
The point of your question is not well defined at all.
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This fish’s environment is pitch darkness, it survives by dangling a light in front of it’s mouth to lure prey.Random mutations supposedly work by seeing into the future and creating a animal fit for it’s new environment.The problem I see is that this takes an eternity to do.This fish is fit for it’s environment now, but how could it wait millons of years to get to this point of fitness when it needs to survive right out the gate? `
 
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Tiny sea creatures upend notion of how animals’ nervous systems evolved

A study of some of the world’s most obscure marine life suggests that the central nervous system evolved independently several times — not just once, as previously thought1.

The invertebrates in question belong to families scattered throughout the animal evolutionary tree, and they display a diversity of central nerve cord architectures. The creatures also activate genes involved with nervous system development in other, well-studied animals — but they often do it in non-neural ways, report the authors of the paper, published on 13 December in Nature.

“This puts a stake in the heart of the idea of an ancestor with a central nerve cord,” says Greg Wray, an evolutionary developmental biologist at Duke University in Durham, North Carolina. “That opens up a lot of questions we don’t have answers to — like, if central nerve cords evolved independently in different lineages, why do they have so many similarities?” Tiny sea creatures upend notion of how animals' nervous systems evolved
I know why! 😀 It gets worse everyday for evos.

It is all so random yet they arrive at the same destination without any foresight. Amazing. Simply amazing.
 
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Nah. It is evo of the gaps. We just know it was evolution. It had to be. Give us another billion years or so and we know we will find a natural explanation.
 
Techno2000 said:
This fish’s environment is pitch darkness, it survives by dangling a light in front of it’s mouth to lure prey.Random mutations supposedly work by seeing into the future and creating a animal fit for it’s new environment.The problem I see is that this takes an eternity to do.This fish is fit for it’s environment now, but how could it wait millons of years to get to this point of fitness when it needs to survive right out the gate? `
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What is God purpose to create a creature like this, always in darkness?
 
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Techno2000:
This fish’s environment is pitch darkness, it survives by dangling a light in front of it’s mouth to lure prey.Random mutations supposedly work by seeing into the future and creating a animal fit for it’s new environment.The problem I see is that this takes an eternity to do.This fish is fit for it’s environment now, but how could it wait millons of years to get to this point of fitness when it needs to survive right out the gate? `
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What is God purpose to create a creature like this, always in darkness?
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Well, he did give it a light. 🙂
 
The majority of the oceans are in darkness. Yet adaptation allows creatures to inhabit and thrive in what we think are the most unlikely places. The blind cave fish no longer needed eyes so it lost them. Other senses took their place.
 
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Techno2000 said:
Random mutations supposedly work by seeing into the future and creating a animal fit for it’s new environment.
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Wrong. Random mutations don’t do any good my themselves. They only do good when coupled with natural selection. And natural selection does not “look into the future” either. It responds to the present environment only.
 
buffalo said:
ID has a better explanation for convergent evolution.
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Physics or similar is often the explanation for convergent evolution: Sharks, Dolphins and Ichthyosaurs are obvious examples. However, ID has no explanation for the origin of its designer.

We know physics exists. Where is your designer?

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So what is the catalyst for evolution to morph a animal into something new ?
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A change in the environment. That could be a new niche opening up, a new disease, a new predator, a new prey, the decline of an old prey or something else. There are many possible changes that drive evolution.

rossum
 
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goout:
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Techno2000:
The anglerfish has a specialized illuminated fishing lure that it uses to attract prey… how did the anglerfish survive waiting for evolution to evolve this lure ?
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Getting back to the OP, can you clarify what it is you are asking?
The point of your question is not well defined at all.
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This fish’s environment is pitch darkness, it survives by dangling a light in front of it’s mouth to lure prey.Random mutations supposedly work by seeing into the future and creating a animal fit for it’s new environment.The problem I see is that this takes an eternity to do.This fish is fit for it’s environment now, but how could it wait millons of years to get to this point of fitness when it needs to survive right out the gate? `
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You’re overthinking this.
In principle it’s really a simple matter.
Organisms adapt. Over time the various biological features that allow an organism to survive gradually happen. Those features that don’t allow an organism to thrive die out, generally speaking.

Just like the super-germs in the hospital that can kill you.
The billions and billions of various viruses and bacteria living in the hospital are “selected” as disinfectants clean out the susceptible ones and leave behind those with ever increasing resistance.

Change is a fact of nature.
 
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Techno2000:
So what is the catalyst for evolution to morph a animal into something new ?
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A change in the environment. That could be a new niche opening up, a new disease, a new predator, a new prey, the decline of an old prey or something else. There are many possible changes that drive evolution.

rossum
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So that means evolution would have to know these problems and challenges ahead of time in order to evolve the necessary solutions.
 
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