Is Darwin's Theory Of Evolution True? Part Two

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So are you going to address the point?
I did. Your “a bacteria staying a bacteria” is the equivalent of seeing an amoeba evolve into a badger and saying, “a eukaryote staying a eukaryote”.

Your lack of knowledge is blinding you to the vast range of different organisms included in the word “bacteria”. As wide as the range from amoeba through plants, fungi, fish and all land animals, including badgers and humans. Yes, we are eukaryotes: our cells have nuclei.

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Your lack of knowledge is blinding you to the vast range of different organisms included in the word “bacteria”. As wide as the range from amoeba through plants, fungi, fish and all land animals, including badgers and humans. Yes, we are eukaryotes: our cells have nuclei.
So you are saying we have lab examples of an animal being turned into something radically different?
 
That is misleading. Every medical lab is only observing and they have no guidance from evolution. Every pesticide manufacturer has no guidance from evolution, only observation. Nothing else. The same with any current Biology research - only what can be observed now or determined now is applicable.
 
So you are saying we have lab examples of an animal being turned into something radically different?
Apparently the only kind of change that you would accept as being radically different is a change that that is so massive that it could not occur in the time frame of recorded history. I submit this is an unrealistic criterion that you set. There are many physical processes that we project beyond our human experience and I think you accept them with no trouble at all. Your unwillingness to accept this one projection in light of all the ones you do accept suggests an a-priori prejudice against evolution that you do not have against, say, nuclear decay. For example we know that the half-life of Radium is about 1600 years. I’ll bet you accept that without undue objections, even though Radium was discovered less than 1600 years ago, and no experiment could possibly have been performed yet to verify that half of the Radium will decay in 1600 years. But we project that amount of decay from the amount that decays in just a few years. It would be unreasonable to say that the half-life of Radium is just a wild guess because no one has seen half of a quantity of Radium decay. But that is exactly the kind of objection you are raising in asking for contemporaneous evidence of a turtle evolving into a chicken or any such thing like that.

If you make your objection a little more reasonable, it can be met. One complaint we hear often is that observed adaptation is always within the same species, and that we have never observed species evolving into a different species. If you accept the standard definition of a species as that group of organisms capable of breeding between each other, it has already been observed that organisms evolve into organisms of a new species. Several examples have been given already in this thread. So before you demand any more unrealistic contemporaneous observations, please justify why such examples are necessary, given that they are clearly impossible.
 
It was tried with fruit flies. After exposure to radiation, their existing genetic material was mixed up: legs appeared in the wrong place and other problems. These fruit flies would not survive in the wild.
 
It was tried with fruit flies. After exposure to radiation, their existing genetic material was mixed up: legs appeared in the wrong place and other problems. These fruit flies would not survive in the wild.
It may have been an interesting experiment, but it does not mirror evolution because of the time scale involved. Evolution works because of random variation (possibly caused by natural radiation) and natural selection. The amount of variation in nature is very low compared the amount of radiation used in the fruit fly experiment. Each variation gets exposed to years, maybe centuries, of natural selection. In this experiment, there was not time for any natural selection. So all you see are the failed variations. If you looked back at all the generations of fruit flies, you would find all those genetic mix ups too, but at a much lower frequency, so low that you would have a hard time finding any, harder than finding a four-leafed clover. So the experiment to accelerate evolution was a flawed experiment to begin with, and it is not surprising that it yielded no useful results.
 
It is not unreasonable to expect a duplication of the results in a lab.

If you claim evolution turned some aquatic animal into a land based mammal, be prepared to show it in the lab.

Radium has nothing to do with it, and is a poor analogy.
Radioactivity follows specific laws. We can demonstrate them in a lab as well as on paper. We can make predictions based on the calculations and see the prediction come true.
Such is not the case with evolution.
 
Interestingly, look at how loosely and nonchalantly “evolved” is used - in the vagueness of the term, the Theory of Evolution sneaks into another children’s magazine. The project for today kids, is to outline the series of steps that made this happen. Clearly this has happened, the trick is to figure out what spin of DNA random glitches led to this.
All you have to believe is that at any stage of the Anglerfish’s evolution, random mutations made it possible for it to survive… its that simple.
 
All you have to believe is that at any stage of the Anglerfish’s evolution, random mutations made it possible for it to survive… its that simple.
Do you believe it possible that not all random variations ended the affected animal’s capacity to survive? That would be a first step.
 
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All you have to believe is that at any stage of the Anglerfish’s evolution, random mutations made it possible for it to survive… its that simple.
Do you believe it possible that not all random variations ended the affected animal’s capacity to survive? That would be a first step.
I don’t understand what you are saying …can you clarify.
 
. The amount of variation in nature is very low
So, what was the variations in the environment that led random mutations to evolve the huge variety of animals and plants we see today ?
 
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Out of a very large number of possibilities, an unguided, unintelligent force guessed right for a long, long time? In little, incremental steps?
 
That is the problem: non-testable and non-repeatable in a lab.
Creationists sometimes say that the theory of evolution is untestable and thus unscientific. This is a surprising claim, since creationists also say that the theory of evolution is incompatible with the second law of thermodynamics. If evolution were precluded by the second law, then evidence that confirms the second law would disconfirm the theory of evolution. If the theory of evolution can be disconfirmed, then it is testable. Creationists cannot have it both ways.
 
Out of a very large number of possibilities, an unguided, unintelligent force guessed right for a long, long time? In little, incremental steps?
Plus these forces have a little bit of Nostradamus abilities. 😉
 
It is not unreasonable to expect a duplication of the results in a lab.
Of course it is, if the process you want to observe takes 10 million years.
Radium has nothing to do with it, and is a poor analogy.
Radioactivity follows specific laws.
So does evolution. You are just unwilling to accept them. That is the only difference.
We can demonstrate them in a lab as well as on paper.
You can’t demonstrate the half life of radium on paper. All you can do is calculate what it should do. That is not demonstrating it.
 
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