Is Darwin's Theory Of Evolution True? Part Two

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[Quoting John Sanford:]
“Even when ignoring deleterious mutations, mutation/selection cannot create a single gene within the human evolutionary timescale. When deleterious mutations are factored back in, we see that mutation/selection cannot create a single gene, ever.
This is false. Mutation and selection are perfectly capable of creating new genes. One of the many mutation we observe is duplication mutation, where all or part of a genome is duplicated. This may be a small piece, less than a whole gene. It may be a large piece, containing one or more genes. It may be whole genome duplication where every gene is duplicated.

Human globin genes, and pseudogenes, evolved this way through duplication and divergence. See Evolution of alpha and beta globin gene families by gene duplication. John Sanford is very obviously incorrect here.

rossum
 
Once again, bacteria do not evolve they adapt to these threats. And as I posted they were already immune to 14 of our commercially available drugs. They have a “memory” and communicate rapidly.
 
As to your first sentence, words with the “a” prefix are commonly negative. As to your second sentence, I agree — and “atheist” is not how I would normally describe myself, except in circumstances where others choose it as the currency. As to your third sentence, the same could be said of chemistry, and the fact that in your estimation (and that of few others) “evolution” — by which I take it you mean evolutionary biology — is a religion does not seem to me adequate grounds for suggesting that evolutionary biology is not a science (if that is what you are saying: your mode of address is somewhat murky for me).
 
Once one leaves the empirical science world (observable, repeatable and predictable) world they have entered into philosophy.
And, entering into philosophy is what we have with the standard evolutionary theory, doing harm to science in the process.

Science, observable directly in nature, repeatable in the lab and predictable by everyone in daily life, demonstrates that degeneration is the outcome of chemical changes in the genome as it is with everything. While atoms and molecules interact in predictable patterns, outside of those laws and principles there is a malleability that allows them to form different structures and perform different functions. An order external to that possessed by matter on a chemical level must be imposed on it to arrive at the complexity we see all about us. And, everything tends to break down to the otherwise chaos of constituent parts without ongoing maintenance.

Standard evolutionary theory chooses to ignore what amounts to basic science - the second law of thermodynamics, and the clear reality of genetic entropy, to propagate a vision of the world that meets the needs of modern secular society for justification, to its detriment. Paradoxically, the content of Dawkins’ book entitled The God Delusion, is turning out to contain the evolution delusion.
 
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The use of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and entropy as a case against evolution is really quite bizarre. Both deal with very long-term trends, not shorter ones, and even though millions of years may appear to be long to us, it’s really not.

When we’re borne, do we grow? Of course, so does that negate the 2nd Law? Of course not. Does the evolution of life negate the 2nd Law? Of course not. New life is borne, lives, and then dies-- but it’s replaced by new life, but no two living bodies appear to be exactly the same.

Unfortunately, some rather devious “theologians” or pastors have convinced their audience that evolution cannot happen because of the 2nd Law, but the reality is that this is patently absurd. And/Or they devise some magical “wall of separation” that prevents “micro-evolution” from continuing to evolve into “macro-evolution”? Of course, they can’t provide one shred of evidence for that magical wall, but they teach it anyway.

The fact of the matter is that life forms have evolved and are undoubtedly still evolving, which should stand to common sense since all material items evolve over time, and genes are material items.
 
BTW, on a lighter note, may each of you have a Very Merry & Blessed New Year as I’m outta here until 2018!
 
Once again, bacteria do not evolve they adapt to these threats. And as I posted they were already immune to 14 of our commercially available drugs. They have a “memory” and communicate rapidly.
Adaptation is evolution, a change in their collective genome. Being “already immune” is precisely what evolution predicts with random mutations, and exactly what was shown by the Luria-Delbrück experiment: some bacteria were “already immune”.

Can I disprove the existence of God by renaming Him ‘Deity’? You cannot disprove evolution by renaming it ‘adaptation’.

You need to find a better argument, one that actually shows something that evolution has not known since 1943.

rossum
 
Unfortunately, some rather devious “theologians” or pastors have convinced their audience that evolution cannot happen because of the 2nd Law, but the reality is that this is patently absurd.
There is a classic creationist quote about the Second Law:
“One of the most basic laws in the universe is the Second Law of Thermodynamics. This states that as time goes by, entropy in an environment will increase. Evolution argues differently against a law that is accepted EVERYWHERE BY EVERYONE. Evolution says that we started out simple, and over time became more complex. That just isn’t possible: UNLESS there is a giant outside source of energy supplying the Earth with huge amounts of energy. If there were such a source, scientists would certainly know about it.”

Source: God or Big Bang/Evolution: Where do we Come From? | Page 6 | Smashboards
Yes, there is such a source. Yes, scientists know about it. You see it every day, unless it is cloudy.

This is the sort of ludicrously bad argumentation you get when someone who does not understand physics tries to discuss entropy.

rossum
 
Plants are Sanford’s specialty.

Down’s syndrome is an example. Once again, a loss of function.
 
in your estimation (and that of few others) “evolution” — by which I take it you mean evolutionary biology — is a religion does not seem to me adequate grounds for suggesting that evolutionary biology is not a science (if that is what you are saying: your mode of address is somewhat murky for me).
“Evolution” is a frustrating word because it means different things to different people. To most it is about dinosaurs and apes turning into human beings.

The standard theory is about random genetic mutation causing phenotypes, the organisms that develop as a result of genetic “programming”, creatures which either make it or don’t make it to reproduce themselves. It is about chemicals basically.

But, as you witness yourself, perceiving, thinking, feeling and acting as one whole person (although there may be different sides to us, sometimes split off), there’s much more to existence than can be reduced to chemical interactions. If we are talking about living things, we must include ourselves since we know that from the inside. So how did story-telling, or mathematics, art and music come to be, qualities that if we came from a common material source, we’d expect to see everywhere around us, as we see eyes, and hearts, and livers, and kidneys, and bones? I think you get my point. Like other animals we have emotions such as fear, anger, happiness, and sadness; we feel pleasure and pain, but there is something more than that, of which we are capable but may fail to pursue. We have free will, which means that we can decide to do good or evil, pursue solely our own ends or consider those of others to be equal. We can love, give of ourselves for the good of the other.

Life sciences do not need to limit themselves in the study of life forms. In the field of medicine, which includes psychiatry, there is a more comprehensive approach.

Evolutionary biology seems to be primarily dedicated to casting what remnants we find of the past and the discoveries we make in the study of genetics into a mould of evolutionary theory. There is no proof that hominids gave birth to a human beings, that two nonhuman gametes can result in a human life, any more than there is proof that being human confers any more respect or dignity than being any other life form, or that people with different genetic make-ups are as human as others. It is an assumption, which cannot be validated, with serious repercussions on how we live our lives. I agree, things get murky real fast, because the core belief and the superficiality of the theory are not being actively addressed.
 
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Adaptation is a proper description for variation within. No one argues adaptation.

Yeah, a lot of info has been known for a while, yet the paradigm persists. Shame on those who keep funding the charade.
 
The age of the universe is also a historic question.
As are questions about when various plants and animals were present on earth. And why the mix varied so much from time period to time period. And what stretches of time were involved.
 
Exactly my point. God did not create Himself so He did not create “every existing entity”.

rossum
Noted.
We will move the goal posts to suit.

No one pay attention to what I say, I am really saying something else that can be more easily defended.
 
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