Is it a sin to smoke weed?

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No, I am NOT incorrect. Smoking pot to get high is wrong, just as consuming alcohol to “catch a buzz” is wrong. Both are abuse.
Yes your wrong. Why does a person take a drink, because alcohol tastes good? They drink it for effect, primarily. There is nothing wrong or sinful about having a hard drink or two. It’s abuse to have a couple drinks ?? Many people feel effects from alcohol after one or two drinks. That’s wrong? No it IS NOT!

Smoking pot legally is not sinful if it is not abused just as alcohol has the potential to be abused (like many other things in life). Jesus drank wine and even facilitated the opening of more wine. Do you think everybody had a sip only?
 
Catching a buzz is technically not sinful. Proceeding to get drunk is. Moderation.
Nonsense! As I posted on another thread on this same subject, One can ingest alcoholic beverages to enjoy their flavor alone or to enhance the flavor of food without intending to or actually getting a buzz on or get high. There is no way on G*ds green earth that one can smoke or otherwise ingest cannabis (Marijuana or Hashish) without gettin a buzz on or becoming high. No one uses MJ or Hash for its flavor. One inegests it for the effect it causes on ones system. This is a sin by any Catholic definition; and, any argument against this is mere self delusion.
The only licit, moral use for MJ is medicinal, where it is ingested to alleviate some of the unpleasant side effects of some modern cancer and other medications.
If you have any doubt of this, enter “Examination of Conscience for Catholics” on any search engine. You will find numerous sites to assist that very thing. Every one of them lists smoking MJ as a mortal sin! So stop kidding yourself…
 
Thousands of Mexican citizens, (most of them Catholics) have been murdered by the drug cartels over control of the drug trade. Marijuana smokers will have to answer on Judgment Day to the orphans and widows of the police, prosecutors, and innocent bystanders who were slaughtered by criminals so selfish Americans can enjoy a cheap buzz. Legalizing it won’t stop the violence, as there will always be a demand for cheaper, untaxed drugs. Legalizing it won’t reduce demand, as America is the home of the Supersized 64 ounce soft drink, and Americans don’t know how to stop at just one. Legalizing it won’t make the marijuana user’s family any better, as every marijuana user I know has screwed-up kids and unambitious, inattentive parents. I’m all for using a share of my taxes to fund special education programs, but should my taxes have to pay extra for the kids with ADD and developmental issues just because their dope-smoking parents can’t stand reality unless it’s seen through a THC haze? Kind of hard to make a libertarian argument for that, or for my having to pay for the social welfare programs that support dope smokers who can’t hold a job because they’re consistently late for work, or sass the boss, or make other stupid decisions under the influence, just so they can live out their little Cheech and Chong lifestyle fantasy.
 
“Catching a buzz” is not moderation. Where do you draw the line?
I draw the line at catching a buzz. It’s the moment when you feel a little funny, but you still know what your name is and can walk without holding on to a wall.

I don’t mean to seem uncharitable. I recognize that for alcoholics, even catching a buzz is detrimental. But on the whole, I’ve been to so many fundraising events (for the Church) or “grown up” Church gatherings where there is a bar and people catch a buzz. That’s not sinful. We are Catholics, not Puritans.
 
Nonsense!
It’s been a while since I’ve had to do one of these point-by-point responses. I only just remembered how to do this.
As I posted on another thread on this same subject, One can ingest alcoholic beverages to enjoy their flavor alone or to enhance the flavor of food without intending to or actually getting a buzz on or get high. There is no way on G*ds green earth that one can smoke or otherwise ingest cannabis (Marijuana or Hashish) without gettin a buzz on or becoming high. No one uses MJ or Hash for its flavor.
You’re not going to believe this, but I did. I *loved *the smell of marijuana. For a while I used to burn sage as an incense to get close to that similar scent. Sometimes, at a Rush concert (the only concerts I go to anymore are Rush concerts) I’ll look forward to that moment when someone nearby sparks up a joint. God forgive me, but I do. Cigarettes were far more detrimental to my health, I was addicted to them, and they stank! I knew, even when I was smoking that they stank but that nicotine fix kept me coming back. I’m not lying here, George. I want you to understand me.

And I drink maybe once a year. Just a couple sips of wine puts me on the road to buzz. I’m no barbarian, but I’ve also never been so cultured as to have been taught how to drink wine with a meal and savor it. That’s very upper class, George, and I’m pretty broke right now. The only alcohol I drink, when I drink, are “girly” drinks (Kahlua and creme, Amaretto Stone Sour).
One inegests it for the effect it causes on ones system. This is a sin by any Catholic definition; and, any argument against this is mere self delusion.
Mind-altering experiences come in many forms. Kids snuff markers and glue, or strangle themselves, people jump out of planes for the adrenaline rush, etc. Even prayer/meditation for some is an attempt at getting a “natural” high. Obviously prayer/meditation are healthy and desirable things, but I’m just trying to make the point that I know exactly what you mean; there is no argument that pot isn’t one of those things that people use to get “buzzed,” or “high” (please forgive the double negative). I’ve already agreed in my earlier posts that *currently *marijuana is sinful based on the devastation being caused to grow and deliver it. But even JRR Tolkien smoked pot on a trip to Jamaica, back when there was no real international demand. More people have died in history over the transport of tea to England than have died due to marijuana use. Marijuana can be abused, and it is being abused, but it is not in and of itself sinful. The word “canvas” comes from cannibus, because canvas and rope were once widely made using marijuana.
The only licit, moral use for MJ is medicinal, where it is ingested to alleviate some of the unpleasant side effects of some modern cancer and other medications.
If you have any doubt of this, enter “Examination of Conscience for Catholics” on any search engine. You will find numerous sites to assist that very thing.
This is funny to me George, because in terms of drugs to alleve unpleasant side effects of disease, pot is the LAST drug I’d use. Give me 1000mg pills of Tylenol anyday instead of pot. Medical marijuana is just a red herring created by the dope fiends to try to get pot one step closer to legalization again. I’m surprised, with your vehemence, that you didn’t catch that.
Every one of them lists smoking MJ as a mortal sin! So stop kidding yourself…
I will look into that presently.
 
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We are so used to the Nancy Reagan campaign of “Just Say No” that we forget what a cultural experience smoking has been all around the world throughout history. As recently as the 50’s and 60’s, you’d see doctors smoking in front of their patients during office visits and in hospitals.
I know; I’m currently reading through 1936-1946 Life Magazines, doing research for a novel.
I think I mean that it doesn’t do any good to be “mystified” about the smoking habit in general. We are living in the most smoke-less time in all of history.
Well, at least since the Spanish brought it back to Europe in 1518. It appears that the Indians didn’t actually smoke recreationally.
The non-smokers are winning.
Praise be to God!
 
Praise be to God!
Maranatha! (I just might have to check out of this thread, though. I’m…remembering things. I’ll be okay, though. Smoking is the worst, the worst. Quitting is the hardest thing I’m still doing).
 
Is marijuana smoking sinful? If so, Mortal or Venial? If it’s a sin, why did God create it? Does smoking cannabis become non-sinful if it is legal or for medical purposes(and is legal)? Thanks,
I wanted to ask: How are we doing, OP? Any questions?
 
I draw the line at catching a buzz. It’s the moment when you feel a little funny, but you still know what your name is and can walk without holding on to a wall.

I don’t mean to seem uncharitable. I recognize that for alcoholics, even catching a buzz is detrimental. But on the whole, I’ve been to so many fundraising events (for the Church) or “grown up” Church gatherings where there is a bar and people catch a buzz. That’s not sinful. We are Catholics, not Puritans.
I am recovered from alcoholism. Alcoholics who are drinking don’t care about catching a buzz, that’s what they want, and more.

Monks drank beer. Do you think they always had one beer, they were brewing it. Even if they(or anyone) had one drink on an empty stomach they would feel a buzz. The prohibition in scripture is to refrain from drunkenness. If someone in a legal state for marijuana smokes a joint, it would depend on the potency of the marijuana, the size of the joint and how much smoked. If gauged, I don’rt see smoking pot for relaxation (which alcohol is used for) as being sinful. People are not drinking whisky and vodka for taste only, but for it’s potency.
 
In considering the use of marijuana, because it is not directly addressed either in scripture or in the patristic teaching of the Church (most likely because its use was unknown except possibly in pagan mystical rites), we have to use the principles laid out for us by the scriptural and patristic teaching concerning the use of alcohol (another intoxicating drug with certain medical benefits). It is clear that the use of alcohol for medicinal purposes is accepted within limits (St Paul’s admonition to Timothy, for example) however there are limits - and those limits revolve around intoxication (the side effect of too much alcohol consumed in too little time). It is quite clear that we are not to become “drunk with wine”.

Let us now apply this to marijuana. Is it possible to “take a little marijuana” without becoming intoxicated? In my experience (and yes I mean my personal experience when I was young and foolish) the answer is no. The intoxicating side effect of marijuana is much more pronounced and occurs immediately with any and all other effects of using the drug. (With alcohol, a little can be taken and benefit received without intoxication). Thus the use of marijuana is indeed considered a sin by the Church as it leads immediately to intoxication thus transgressing the scriptural injunction against intoxication.

I know of no tradition within the Church that condones the recreational use of marijuana. Nor have I ever heard of a recognized spiritual father or hierarch of the Church who recommends the use of marijuana for any reason. Rather than assume that its ok to use marijuana unless some prohibition against its use is found, it should be eschewed unless a (heretofore unknown) specific approval within the tradition of the Church is discovered and confirmed by the living heirarchy of the Church.

Fr David
 
In considering the use of marijuana, because it is not directly addressed either in scripture or in the patristic teaching of the Church (most likely because its use was unknown except possibly in pagan mystical rites), we have to use the principles laid out for us by the scriptural and patristic teaching concerning the use of alcohol (another intoxicating drug with certain medical benefits). It is clear that the use of alcohol for medicinal purposes is accepted within limits (St Paul’s admonition to Timothy, for example) however there are limits - and those limits revolve around intoxication (the side effect of too much alcohol consumed in too little time). It is quite clear that we are not to become “drunk with wine”.

Let us now apply this to marijuana. Is it possible to “take a little marijuana” without becoming intoxicated? In my experience (and yes I mean my personal experience when I was young and foolish) the answer is no. The intoxicating side effect of marijuana is much more pronounced and occurs immediately with any and all other effects of using the drug. (With alcohol, a little can be taken and benefit received without intoxication). Thus the use of marijuana is indeed considered a sin by the Church as it leads immediately to intoxication thus transgressing the scriptural injunction against intoxication.

I know of no tradition within the Church that condones the recreational use of marijuana. Nor have I ever heard of a recognized spiritual father or hierarch of the Church who recommends the use of marijuana for any reason. Rather than assume that its ok to use marijuana unless some prohibition against its use is found, it should be eschewed unless a (heretofore unknown) specific approval within the tradition of the Church is discovered and confirmed by the living heirarchy of the Church.

Fr David
With all due respect Father (and I mean that) marijuana does have medicinal properties as does alcohol. Marijuana is most likely rejected by many in the church because it has long been illegal and has negative connotations attached to it. I don’t think spiritual leaders would reject certain pharmaceutical drugs that are legal and have benefits.

Alcohol is dispensed in a way that reveals its content by volume. Marijuana has the misfortune of not being regulated on the streets but in medical marijuana labs the dosage can be adjusted. Keeping that in mind, a person having a couple beers or a shot or two of whiskey and are not looked at as sinful as long as they do not get drunk. Even with alcohol, the size of the person and other variables come into play.

With marijuana the same variables could be applied where it is legal. Yes the effects of marijuana are absorbed differently than alcohol, but any other legal sedative would not be frowned upon with usage if not abused. It seems to me with regulation marijuana could be used for relaxation or mental relief as alcohol is. Few really drink alcohol because it tastes good (except beer and wine), but for the effect however mild. IIlegal marijuana smoking would be breaking the law and a sin, but in another context (legality) this may not be the case. Thank you for your (name removed by moderator)ut as I gained some insight from it.
 
“Marijuana has the misfortune of not being regulated on the streets but in medical marijuana labs the dosage can be adjusted”

Or you could use Marinol, the legal, FDA-approved version for treating pain and nausea.
 
“Marijuana has the misfortune of not being regulated on the streets but in medical marijuana labs the dosage can be adjusted”

Or you could use Marinol, the legal, FDA-approved version for treating pain and nausea.
Or marijuana that can give you a buzz and relaxation like millions of people use alcohol for. And there is little condemnation of a Christian having a couple drinks or a few beers on the weekend.
 
With marijuana the same variables could be applied where it is legal.
Wrong. There is no such thing as a little bit high…or half-way high. High is high…it is intoxicated. You can go to just about any priest in the world and he will tell you it is a sin…so there is not really any reason to defend it.
 
Wrong. There is no such thing as a little bit high…or half-way high. High is high…it is intoxicated. You can go to just about any priest in the world and he will tell you it is a sin…so there is not really any reason to defend it.
I guess all those folks having a drink to calm them down are full of sin. You see the calming down is the buzz. No catholic ban on alcohol though.
 
I guess all those folks having a drink to calm them down are full of sin. You see the calming down is the buzz. No catholic ban on alcohol though.
Jesus drank wine, turned wine into water, and turns wine into His blood. Alcohol in moderation is fine. No word on marijuana.
 
Jesus drank wine, turned wine into water, and turns wine into His blood. Alcohol in moderation is fine. No word on marijuana.
No word on Xanax either in scripture. Jesus facilitated the opening of more wine. You think that was so that they could have a sip?
 
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