Is Protestantism the greatest (most damaging) heresy in Christian history?

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Cardinalsong said:
My prayers are with you Leif:crossrc:

I’m going through a very similar situation here myself and know exactly what you mean when you say how isolated you feel. I’ve never felt so alone in my life! It is so easy to get discouraged and fall into dispair yet there is no greater peace and joy in discovering the Truth in the Church that Christ established!:highprayer:

Didn’t mean to go OT but wanted to let you know I’m praying for you.
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I am praying for both you and Leif. God bless you.
 
jmcrae said:
It is the fact that once we had varieties of denominations co-existing in the same place (Baptists, Presbyterians, Anglicans, and Pentecostals all living on the same street together) then the only way to keep from destroying the neighborhood is to say “live and let live,” at which point, “I choose my own morality” - at first, I pick and choose from the religions available to me on my street, but at some point, it dawns on me that I can create my own religion, and at this point, anything goes.

If I want an abortion, I get one - who’s going to stop me? If one religion comes to me and says “That’s wrong,” I just say “That’s your opinion; not mine.” If they all come to me and say “That’s wrong,” I just invent my own religion and say, “My religion says it’s okay; who are you to say it’s wrong?”
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Ok!👍 Now that makes sence. I never thought of it like that. Thanks.
 
Lief_Erikson said:
Well, the evidence against that is pretty conclusive. In over a thousand years of history in which the church dominated the land and possessed immense political power, nothing like this happened. In fact, the church abolished the permissive attitude toward infanticide practiced by the Romans. It took hundreds of years after the church had lost power for abortion and infanticide to make a come-back, because the church’s influence on this subject had been so strongly imprinted on the cultures of the nations. It took a long time for that to erode.
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I’m not saying 100% we would. I think we would. I’m basing that on the idea that as a race, we’re dumb as rocks at times. (We don’t have the best track record) I think one way or another people would have started to disregard the authority the Church has.
 
MH84 said:
big call there…

Are all heretics considered pagan in your view?
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No, not at all. The Romas had pagan gods. I don’t thing they would be heretics. I think it has to be Christian first, and go from there to be a heretic.
 
MH84 said:
big call there…

Are all heretics considered pagan in your view?
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Probably depends on what your definition of Pagan is. Wikipedia gives this definition:
Paganism (from Latin paganus, meaning “country dweller, rustic”) is a term which, from a Western perspective, has modern connotations of spiritual or cult practices or beliefs of any folk religion, and of historical and contemporary polytheistic religions in particular.
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The term can be defined broadly, to encompass the faith traditions outside the Abrahamic monotheistic group of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. The group so defined includes many of the Eastern religions, Native American religions and mythologies and as well as non-Abrahamic ethnic religions in general. More narrow definitions will not include any of the world religions and restrict the term to local or rural currents not organized as civil religions. Characteristic of pagan traditions is the absence of proselytism and the presence of a living mythology which explains religious practice.[1]
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The term “pagan” is a Christian adaptation of the “gentile” of Judaism, and as such has an inherent Christian or Abrahamic bias, and pejorative connotations among Westerners,[2] comparable to heathen, and infidel, mushrik and kafir (كافر) in Islam. For this reason, ethnologists avoid the term “paganism,” with its uncertain and varied meanings, in referring to traditional or historic faiths, preferring more precise categories such as polytheism, shamanism, pantheism, or animism.
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Since the later 20th century, “Pagan” or “Paganism” has become widely used as a self-designation by adherents of Neopaganism.[3]
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Christadelphians are essentially polytheists, and JW’s believe Christ is an angel, the brother of Lucifer. Obviously neither are true followers of Christ, therefore they are not Christian. Based on the Wikipedia definition, I’d say “pagan” fits.
 
beckycmarie said:
Probably depends on what your definition of Pagan is. Wikipedia gives this definition:

Christadelphians are essentially polytheists, and JW’s believe Christ is an angel, the brother of Lucifer. Obviously neither are true followers of Christ, therefore they are not Christian. Based on the Wikipedia definition, I’d say “pagan” fits.
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I see a lot of irony in these last few posts.

Anyway, Christadelphians are not “polytheists”. They believe in one God. They probably think we are polytheists!
 
If a group believes they are following Christ and His teachings how can we say they are pagans? Because they dont believe in the same religion as us?
 
MH84 said:
If a group believes they are following Christ and His teachings how can we say they are pagans? Because they dont belive in the same religion as us?
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Some Buddhists claim to follow Christian teachings.

Do you consider Buddhists to be Christian?

Moonies claimed to be following Chrisitan teachings.

Are Moonies Christians in your view?

Indeed, the official Roman position early on in Christian history was that Christians were just another cult. Romans were surely pagans at that point, were they not?
 
MH84 said:
If a group believes they are following Christ and His teachings how can we say they are pagans? Because they dont believe in the same religion as us?
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Because there is a big difference in thinking you are following Christ, and actually doing it.
Not everyone who calls me their Lord will get into the kingdom of heaven. Only the ones who obey my Father in heaven will get in. On the day of judgment many will call me their Lord. They will say, “We preached in your name, and in your name we forced out demons and worked many miracles.” But I will tell them, “I will have nothing to do with you! Get out of my sight, you evil people!” Matthew 7:21-23,
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MH84 said:
I see a lot of irony in these last few posts.

Anyway, Christadelphians are not “polytheists”. They believe in one God. They probably think we are polytheists!
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Is this true of Christadelphians:
They believe that God is the creator of all things and the father of true believers, that he is a separate being from his son, Jesus Christ,
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If that is the case, they believe in two gods, not one.
 
beckycmarie said:
Because there is a big difference in thinking you are following Christ, and actually doing it.
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True, and an even bigger difference between those who recognize Christ and God are one and those who don’t, and a bigger difference still between those who hew to false gods and not God.

It is these latter whom we tend to call pagan.
 
beckycmarie said:
Is this true of Christadelphians:

If that is the case, they believe in two gods, not one.
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Sorry but you are wrong. Christadelphians believe Jesus was a man, not God. I repeat, they believe in one God.

Im not saying there beliefs are right, but we should show them some respect at least. They probably know more about the bible than us for all we know.
 
MH84 said:
Sorry but you are wrong. Christadelphians believe Jesus was a man, not God. I repeat, they believe in one God.

Im not saying there beliefs are right, but we should show them some respect at least. They probably know more about the bible than us for all we know.
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It’s worse than I thought, then. Christadelphians deny the divinity of Christ. I don’t see how you can “know more about the Bible” than Catholics if you doubt Christ’s divinity.

MH84, it sounds like you are having a faith crisis, or experiencing a major bout of plausibility. I recommend this same essay in a lot of threads, and I’m going to do it again now.

Three Secret Strategies of Satan to Destroy our Children, our Families, our Culture, and our Church
by Bro. Ignatius Mary
 
beckycmarie said:
It’s worse than I thought, then. Christadelphians deny the divinity of Christ. I don’t see how you can “know more about the Bible” than Catholics if you doubt Christ’s divinity.

MH84, it sounds like you are having a faith crisis, or experiencing a major bout of plausibility. I recommend this same essay in a lot of threads, and I’m going to do it again now.

Three Secret Strategies of Satan to Destroy our Children, our Families, our Culture, and our Church
by Bro. Ignatius Mary
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Becky, how is it that you have been making false accusations about others, and you still feel you can give me advice? Maybe you should learn about what others believe or say before you start correcting them ;).

I hope you read the document yourself.

Thanks for the document link btw.
 
Properly used, the term “pagan” is not an affective. It is merely a classification based on beliefs. It is neither a pejorative nor a compliment.

I have not seen “pagan” used as a pejorative in this thread.
 
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