Is the left coming for Christian schools? And...what will Biden do if he takes the presidency?

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You are assuming that the number of schools has to be static, which is an odd assumption.
There are separate schools now cause they are in separate systems.

I am sure you know this, but Separate but Equal was tried and it was found to be unconstitutional. Americans, I don’t think, should want to go back to this failed system.

If you want private schools, you should pay for them privately.
 
cloistered said:
If you want private schools, you should pay for them privately .
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Hi. Here is WIki on Anti Catholicism and schools in the US. Mind, Wiki is not a source I recommend but it’s an easy look up:

About in the 1840s the "American Tract Society… launched a national crusade to save the nation from the “spiritual despotism” of Rome. The whole Protestant edifice of churches, Bible societies, temperance societies, and missionary agencies was thus interposed against Catholic electoral maneuvers …(and) found expression in a national political movement called the “American” or Know-Nothing Party of 1854–56…

The most lasting effect of this era of anti Catholicism in the US: “After 1875 many states passed constitutional provisions, called “Blaine Amendments”, forbidding tax money be used to fund parochial schools.”

Most western democracies give financial support to religious schools.
 
cloistered said:
If you want private schools, you should pay for them privately .
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I understand that may be your approach in America. And yet the education of children is a communal good (as u said earlier).
mercyalways said:
Most western democracies give financial support to religious schools.
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Right - not because they are religious mind you, but because it makes sense.
 
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Okay. I suppose I can understand it if it’s a pragmatic measure to prevent lawsuits, rather than an ideological measure to punish children for something out of their control.
 
Which freedom are you concerned is threatened when the government allows non-government school operators and contributes to the education of all?
 
I don’t have any problem with private schools paid for with private money. The US has a separation of church and state and taxpayer money should not be used for private education. If the private schools wants to take government monies to remain in business then they must abide by the law…and there’s the rub. Many private schools want to discriminate against classes of people whether against gays, blacks or handicapped. By law, this can’t be done.

When private schools get to cherry pick their students they are free to do so on their own dime but not the US taxpayers. These tax dollars get removed from the public schools to fund the private ones causing the public schools to decline in excellence. The public schools are the ones that must educate everyone regardless of class or ability. Having to educate learning disabled, handicapped and non English speakers is much more expensive than a regular student and most private schools have no desire to take these students on. Public schools must.

There is also the issue that some private schools are not giving their children a good education…from some Jewish Yeshivas to Muslim private schools to fundamentalists private schools, children are missing large chunks of a solid education and sometimes being radicalized by them. This defeats the whole point of having a well rounded educated future population. It almost guarantees that some children will be next to unemployable except for the most menial of jobs. A big question is…should the government allow this to happen to our citizens or not? How far does religious freedom go? Can standards be set? Can they be enforced? Should they be enforced?

Don’t even get me started on the rediculous way we fund schools with property taxes. Guess why poor kids in poor neighborhoods have poor schools? Property taxes that aren’t distributed amongst the wealthy and poor neighborhoods! Isn’t it fortunate that the best schools in every city are located in wealthy neighborhoods!

Do we need to do some restructuring and reevaluate how public schools function? Absolutely. Having wealthy people put their kids in private schools is fine but do not start demanding that my tax dollars supplement their schools.
 
cloistered said:
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Why? Around here, at least, Catholic schools cost less per pupil than public schools. Catholic, Lutheran and Christian school buildings are generally paid for, whereas public schools are constantly rebuilding and getting new tax levies to pay for them. Private schools take a significatn burden off the public purse.

There’s no issue of “separate but equal”. There’s no desire on the part of private schools to be “equal”. They want to be superior to the public schools, and generally are. So what if parents want their children to have Christian or Jewish morality taught to their children? How does that hurt the public?
 
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Yeah, but whoever gives you money owns you.
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Very important!

When cities build new schools it’s usually because the counts are getting above certain limits…too many students per teacher ratio. Private schools do pull funds from public schools because most schools are budgeted by student attending…fewer students, fewer dollars. On the one hand, private schools keep the number of students lower in public schools but the schools also lose the dollars that would follow that student.

Do course private schools want to be better than public schools. They usually accomplish this by taking the best students. It’s worth their time and money to take the high achievers. They rarely take the slow learners or difficult students though. Some will take a few just to prove they aren’t totally being discriminatory but not many. They will especially take lower student quality if the parents can pay and not have to have grants to accept them.
 
“I understand that may be your approach in America. And yet the education of children is a communal good (as u said earlier).”

The students who attend privates schools are able to enroll in their local public school any day they want. They are welcome to be a part of the “common good”, the same can’t be said in reverse. My kid may or may not be accepted at the local Catholic school. Catholic schools aren’t interested in the common good, they are interested only in the students they decide to accept.
 
Stop conflating homophobic with hating gay people because it is about being against gay “marriage”. It’s just a misguided and sleazy attempt to smear Christian’s for their belief in one man one woman…
 
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cloistered said:
Catholic schools aren’t interested in the common good, they are interested only in the students they decide to accept.
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You’ll find that the State School X is interested in only the students it has enrolled too.
cloistered said:
The students who attend privates schools are able to enrol in their local public school any day they want.
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In other jurisdictions, the government is pleased to have other operators running schools, requires them to follow the same rules as the State owned schools, and contributes some funding to them (noting the government is fortunate not to have to meet the entire cost).

I don’t really understand why you are so opposed to such an arrangement.
 
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“You’ll find that the State School X is interested in only the students it has enrolled too.”

Sure, but EVERY single student has a public school that they are automatically a student at.
If there were only private schools, there could be students that not a single school was willing to accept.

“In other jurisdictions, the government is pleased to have other operators running schools, requires them to follow the same rules as the State-owned schools”

The private schools here in the states don’t follow the same rules. They are allowed to discriminate on enrollment.
 
What type of discrimination are you concerned about?

Do you want your special-needs child, for instance, in a school that doesn’t have specialized teachers and classrooms?
 
What’s interesting is that this article labels traditional sexual morality “extremist”, which is a label only attached in maybe the last 10 or 15 years.

Before that, people may have rejected these moral teaching, but were not calling them extreme.
 
phil19034 said:
FiveThirtyEight – 29 Apr 19

Political Confessional: I Think Private Schools Should Be Banned ​

Welcome to Political Confessional, a column about the views that Americans are scared to share with their friends and neighbors. If you have a political belief …
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There is a certain stripe of person in this country, who thinks that everyone should go to the exact same schools, and learn the exact same things. That is a type of Masonic thinking, but it does exist. I’ve heard this view expressed.

Actually, I am astonished that the United States ever even had private religious schools to begin with. Very pleased, but astonished. It somehow doesn’t fit the American mentality of “everybody should be free to be just like us”.
 
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