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I am not concerned about the discrimination. As I said, I am fine with private schools. I am not fine with private schools receiving public money.
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Is the left coming for Christian schools? And...what will Biden do if he takes the presidency?
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27lw
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Let’s think about it this way - -I am not concerned about the discrimination. As I said, I am fine with private schools. I am not fine with private schools receiving public money.
let’s say a state has some form of voucher available for private schools. Let’s say that a family is eligible for a half-tuition voucher, they may apply to private school tuition half the amount that the state provides to the public school district that they live in.
Let’s just round the numbers. Say a family lives in a district wherein the public school receives $10,000 per student in funding. Let’s say that family chooses to send a child to private parochial high school, and receives $5,000 towards the tuition.
At the end of high school, that student has received a great education, arguably better in many ways than the public high school education that he or she would have received (especially in a lower achieving school), and it cost the state half as much as if the child had gone to the lower quality public school.
Sounds like a good deal to me!
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cloistered
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It is not a deal. The public school is out $5k without $5k decrease in costs. Private schools are so used to thinking in terms of tuition that I think maybe they have a hard time with this concept. It does not cost public schools $10k per student; that number is derived by taking the budget and dividing by the number of students. If it truly costs the school $10k per student, each student could go create a complete school on their own: building; janitor, English teacher, math teacher, etc. This is obviously not possible, so the cost of each student is not $10k.
What $5k in reduced costs would the public school see in your scenario? They still have the same fixed costs of building, electric, heating/cooling, teacher salaries. Quite frankly, given the kind of student that a Catholic school is willing to accept, the actual cost reduction to the public school is likely near zero.
What does it cost the Catholic school to fill an otherwise empty desk in their school? Not much, certainly not $10k. But, once their school reaches capacity, they would certainly incur cost increases; new buildings, new teachers, etc. So, Catholic schools cap their enrollment as a cost-savings measure, something public schools also aren’t allowed to do.
What $5k in reduced costs would the public school see in your scenario? They still have the same fixed costs of building, electric, heating/cooling, teacher salaries. Quite frankly, given the kind of student that a Catholic school is willing to accept, the actual cost reduction to the public school is likely near zero.
What does it cost the Catholic school to fill an otherwise empty desk in their school? Not much, certainly not $10k. But, once their school reaches capacity, they would certainly incur cost increases; new buildings, new teachers, etc. So, Catholic schools cap their enrollment as a cost-savings measure, something public schools also aren’t allowed to do.
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27lw
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Oh - - so the numbers are somewhat misleading, is that right?
You seem well-versed in these things, I wonder if that $10,000 is completely skewed anyway, due to the costs of students who need special education vs children in a typical classroom. Do you have an idea how those costs would be different?
You seem well-versed in these things, I wonder if that $10,000 is completely skewed anyway, due to the costs of students who need special education vs children in a typical classroom. Do you have an idea how those costs would be different?
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cloistered
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I was using the numbers you provided and just pointing out that budget / # students != cost per student.
I am quite sure that it costs more to educated some students than others, but I do not know the numbers, no. I am sure it varies greatly between states and even districts in the same state.
I am quite sure that it costs more to educated some students than others, but I do not know the numbers, no. I am sure it varies greatly between states and even districts in the same state.
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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I lean the same way, but for different reasons—religious schools need to be careful that public money will have strings attached to undermine their faith.
How do you feel about education voucher money that goes to the parents and not to the schools, but the parents can spend it on any school they wish?
How do you feel about education voucher money that goes to the parents and not to the schools, but the parents can spend it on any school they wish?
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No one proposes such a scenario to my knowledge.If there were only private schools, there could be students that not a single school was willing to accept.
Some state schools discriminate (sensibly) eg. Based on where you live. I’m not seeing a problem with a Jewish owned school prioritizing taking Jewish students. The “rules” to which I refer are around curriculum, teacher qualification, reporting etc.The private schools here in the states don’t follow the same rules. They are allowed to discriminate on enrollment.
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Rau
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But it’s not clear why. Why public money must be limited to only schools owned by the government? This sounds as though it’s an ideological position.I am not concerned about the discrimination. As I said, I am fine with private schools. I am not fine with private schools receiving public money.
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Rau
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Your analysis makes no sense. In a country where 25% of kids are educated in catholic schools, the public purse has built far less schools and supplied far less heating, paid far fewer teachers than would otherwise be the case. That’s a real saving. The government can reasonably contribute to costs in these non-government schools - noting the public good that is education of children - and still be ahead or break even as it chooses.What $5k in reduced costs would the public school see in your scenario? They still have the same fixed costs of building, electric, heating/cooling, teacher salaries.
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Because it creates an unfair system where some kids get accepted to the “better” school and some kids don’t and are left in the public schools that have far fewer dollars because they are now in the hands of private schools.
Because I don’t like the idea of tax dollars being used to discriminate based on a protected classes.
Because Catholic schools should be against it themselves; taking money from the less fortunate to give more to those who are already fortunate.
Because it segregates the well-off kids from the poor so that they don’t know each other or understand each other’s lives.
Because the kids with learning disabilities get to hear that they aren’t wanted in the “better” schools.
Because Catholic schools think they are “better” when they are just better off and that makes them think they deserve to be separated from the undesirables.
Because it leaves those that need the most with the least.
Because it is, in my opinion, unChristian and unethical.
Because I don’t like the idea of tax dollars being used to discriminate based on a protected classes.
Because Catholic schools should be against it themselves; taking money from the less fortunate to give more to those who are already fortunate.
Because it segregates the well-off kids from the poor so that they don’t know each other or understand each other’s lives.
Because the kids with learning disabilities get to hear that they aren’t wanted in the “better” schools.
Because Catholic schools think they are “better” when they are just better off and that makes them think they deserve to be separated from the undesirables.
Because it leaves those that need the most with the least.
Because it is, in my opinion, unChristian and unethical.
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Rau
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Disagree. Non-government school should not be assumed better. Good public schools will be in demand. You are discriminating allocation of the public purse to a communal good based on who owns the school.Because it creates an unfair system where some kids get accepted to the “better” school and some kids don’t and are left in the public schools that have far fewer dollars because they are now in the hands of private schools.
They are being used to educate children.Because I don’t like the idea of tax dollars being used to discriminate based on a protected classes.
Don’t understand that at all. If moneys are to be redistributed according to wealth or income - do that systemically through the tax system, not via the education system.Because Catholic schools should be against it themselves; taking money from the less fortunate to give more to those who are already fortunate.
Again - why do you put down public schools? And second, my kids attended catholic schools and kids with disabilities are not turned away for having a disability. In fact non-Catholics are not turned away though practicing catholics are given first consideration given places available are less than demand.Because the kids with learning disabilities get to hear that they aren’t wanted in the “better” schools.
It seems I’m beginning to understand your thinking… My local catholic schools are very ordinary. Certainly no better equipped, less grounds and playing facilities than the local government schools. Is there a hint of prejudice in your remarks?Because Catholic schools think they are “better” when they are just better off and that makes them think they deserve to be separated from the undesirables.
Makes no sense to me.Because it leaves those that need the most with the least.
Because it is, in my opinion, unChristian and unethical.
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AloysiusBologna
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Interesting…perhaps we should place all Native children in them so they can be assimilted into a proper society like the US democrats envision where transgender sex workers are protected more than babies…which killing is more justified…endind a miserable existence or eliminating an unlimited future?..referring to education of course…just like the US Democratic Biden-Harris party…and their OFFICIAL platform…no catholic seems to discuss…
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AloysiusBologna
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Teaching of children should be a responsibility of the parent first, state second, church…well maybe we should decide which church…like they do in China…
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meltzerboy2
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Why is that the case?
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Billy76
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The sad truth is if Joe Biden wins private schools, especially Catholic schools will be target number one. It will be our schools, our hospitals, and our churches. I fully expect that I will be martyred or imprisoned for being Catholic within the next four years and the Church will be underground in the United States if Joe Biden wins. I don’t mean to sound dreary but hearing the hatred that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris along with the left in general have towards Catholics, they don’t want us around and will eliminate us either by forcing apostasy, imprisoning, or martyring Catholics.
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pnewton
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The TEA has a very strong lobby.
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JMMJ
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Oh please. A little dramatic, there.
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Billy76
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I hope you are right.
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AloysiusBologna
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Maybe youve got it wrong…I heard on the news that Biden is A catholic…and after all Notre Dame…a socalled Catholic Institution welcomed Obama while he continued to support tax-payer funded abortion…after all Everyone has the right to live…except those about to be born…I suspect if genetic embrionic testing revealed transgender potential …the fetus be be especially protected…if however they showed conservative moral inclinations…they might be
Well…sent to Canada to be educated…Money may indeed be a root of evil… Why not limit public education and the cost associated with such brainwashing…Maybe teach reading riting and rithmetick only…afterall we have fartbook for everything else…they will surely censor what THEY need to…or are incentivised to …Rite?
Well…sent to Canada to be educated…Money may indeed be a root of evil… Why not limit public education and the cost associated with such brainwashing…Maybe teach reading riting and rithmetick only…afterall we have fartbook for everything else…they will surely censor what THEY need to…or are incentivised to …Rite?
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Rau
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Could you provide some quotes or links to examples of this hatred being expressed…but hearing the hatred that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris along with the left in general have towards Catholics, they don’t want us around and will eliminate us either by forcing apostasy, imprisoning, or martyring Catholics.
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