Is the time right for a repeal of the 2nd amendment?

[Vonsalza]

Why do you have to wait for a law to be passed in order to do this if it’s so good and the right thing?

The good and right thing is that they’re possessed by responsible, safe owners. I’m one of those.

There’s just no law that prevents them from also being possessed by psychos that haven’t “won” their first felony conviction yet.

Nope, I don’t think you do know the .22lr

I don’t

Sure. You’re not the sole recipient in a public forum, however.

So let’s create a better way of identifying and adjudicating mentally unfit before they kill.

In a way that actually strips them of the right to bear arms? As someone with a schizophrenic brother who is so bad they can’t work; EXTREMELY DIFFICULT in this country, friend. Tried and failed.

This is a “solution” that sounds really good but just can’t exist. In order for this to be real, you have to identify an objective mental health standard that’s fairy easy to identify and relatively easy to enact to strip someone of a supposed constitutional right BEFORE they do something that obviously justifies it like killing someone.

I don’t see how that’s possible. But I hope you’re right anyway.

It is quite possible to adjudicate

Do you still read these things?

You need a pre-conviction solution in order to stop the problem…

Yes!

Yes!

I’m dazzled and delighted that you really think that the war-weapon designed by Eugene Stoner suddenly becomes a civilian weapon when one bauble on it is changed that still doesn’t alter how it’s frequently used by our servicemen and women.



And please don’t cite Quora. It’s like citing the guy next to you on the bus…

 

[JonNC]

Do you still read these things?

You need a pre-conviction solution in order to stop the problem…

Already there. Under the Baker Act in Florida

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.wikihow.com/Baker-Act-Someone%3Famp=1

This shooter could have been arrested for a number of things, including communicating a threat, as well as breaking laws regarding improper exhibition of a firearm.

There is only one person responsible for this shooting, that’s the shooter himself. But law enforcement, particularly the Broward County Sheriff’s office, missed numerous opportunities to stop this guy, arrest this guy, convict this guy, and get him on the NICS. MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES!
This is not the fault of the NRA. It isn’t the fault of law abiding gun owners. It isn’t the fault of elected officials, with Sheriff Israel the possible exception. Laws are in place, plenty of them, that should have stopped this shooter.

 

[JonNC]

And please don’t cite Quora. It’s like citing the guy next to you on the bus…

The guy on the bus is far more honest than CNN. Do you dispute what the guy wrote, or just the guy?

 

[JonNC]

I’m dazzled and delighted that you really think that the war-weapon designed by Eugene Stoner suddenly becomes a civilian weapon when one bauble on it is changed that still doesn’t alter how it’s frequently used by our servicemen and women.

Which military branch of the American armed forces sends its troops into combat with semiautomatic civilian rifles ?
If they do, the general should be fired.

Whether you like it or not, the civilian AR-15 is not a military weapon. It isn’t selectable, it isn’t fully automatic. It is semiautomatic.

 

[SuperLuigi]

The good and right thing is that they’re possessed by responsible, safe owners. I’m one of those.

There’s just no law that prevents them from also being possessed by psychos that haven’t “won” their first felony conviction yet.

Deflection alert!

 

[JonNC]

Vonsalza:

The good and right thing is that they’re possessed by responsible, safe owners. I’m one of those.

There’s just no law that prevents them from also being possessed by psychos that haven’t “won” their first felony conviction yet.

Deflection alert!

And the same argument will be used for semiautomatic handguns, then revolvers, then rifles.
Oh, except for government. Because government never kills with firearms

 

[Vonsalza]

Vonsalza:

Do you still read these things?

You need a pre-conviction solution in order to stop the problem…

Already there. Under the Baker Act in Florida

We’ve something like it in Kentucky.

As I stated earlier based on my experiences with my own mentally ill brother, it is EXTREMELY difficult to remove a mentally ill man’s right to bear arms BEFORE they’ve done something heinous.

In reality, what you have simply isn’t an answer. It’s a good intention that doesn’t actually solve the problem.

Whether you like it or not, the civilian AR-15 is not a military weapon.

Jon, honey, saying that an AR-15 isn’t a military weapon is like saying a crap-sandwich with an added 1/100th ounce of ham is no longer a crap-sandwich.

With that kind of logic, eat up Jon! Enjoy that “ham” sandwich!

Deflection alert!

It’s not deflection at all. It’s the core issue.

Most of these guys shooting folks up en masse don’t have priors that would have prevented their purchase of a weapon.

You simply need to call it a deflection because it’s an enormous hole in your pro-gun rhetoric and you need to cover it with something. Denial/dismissal was your go-to.

 

[Vonsalza]

Whether you like it or not, the civilian AR-15 is not a military weapon.

Lol, they’re so “different” that Colt used to advertise them all together in their early iterations… :crazy_face:

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More of that “ham”, Jon?

 

[JonNC]

As I stated earlier based on my experiences with my own mentally ill brother, it is EXTREMELY difficult to remove a mentally ill man’s right to bear arms BEFORE they’ve done something heinous.

In reality, what you have simply isn’t an answer. It’s a good intention that doesn’t actually solve the problem.

Had it been enforced, it would have prevented Parkland.
But you’re right to an extent, we also have a right to due process. So, we need to find a way to prevent mentally ill from acting without violating due process.
And disarming the rest of the citizenry doesn’t solve the problem,either. And it isn’t even a good intention

 

[JonNC]

Are they semiautomatic or automatic? If they are automatic, fully or selectable, you can’t get them. If they are semiautomatic, they are civilian.

 

[JonNC]

Jon, honey, saying that an AR-15 isn’t a military weapon is like saying a crap-sandwich with an added 1/100th ounce of ham is no longer a crap-sandwich.

I’m sure, sweetie, you know this diet from experience, but a semiautomatic AR-15 is a civilian rifle.

 

[MonteRCMS]

If you take an AR-15 and file off the handle(s) and a few other extraneous bits, then it looks no different than any other rifle.

 

[JonNC]

If you take an AR-15 and file off the handle(s) and a few other extraneous bits, then it looks no different than any other rifle.

And it acts no different than any other semiautomatic

 

[MonteRCMS]

Here are video clips of AR-15’s being used for home defense … by ordinary people.

Click here google youtube home defense

A school teacher or coach or administrator can do the same.

No special training needed.

An AR-15 is not an assault rifle. For that you would need the features contained in the M-16.

 

[MonteRCMS]

Guns for “the little lady” for home defense or school defense:

click here google youtube home defense

 

[MonteRCMS]

What to say to a police officer:

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com

 

[MonteRCMS]

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[Vonsalza]

Had it been enforced, it would have prevented Parkland.

A law that is difficult to enforce is hamstrung from the beginning. It’s a violation of Occam’s Razor and is doomed to perpetually repeat the failures we’re talking about now.

Are they semiautomatic or automatic? If they are automatic, fully or selectable, you can’t get them. If they are semiautomatic, they are civilian.

It’s still a weapon designed for war. If you asked Eugene what the percentage difference was between his M16 and AR15, I really think you’d elicit a laugh, Jon.

If you take an AR-15 and file off the handle(s) and a few other extraneous bits, then it looks no different than any other rifle.

Honestly, Monte, if you’re referring to the carrying handle/rear sight, most of the ARs you’ll see in a gunshop today won’t even have them. Folks prefer a flat-top and a floated barrel these days.

And that doesn’t set my critique aside, Monte. I think all semi-autos should be difficult to get a hold of. Particularly the semis that accept detachable mags.

Here are video clips of AR-15’s being used for home defense … by ordinary people.

They could have done just as well with an old Marlin, if this wasn’t staged or an over-reaction. This doesn’t justify their ready and easy availability.

 

[Vonsalza]

For your reference;
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[MonteRCMS]

Should there be a law banning panache?

An AR-15 has more panache than an old Marlin.

It’s like comparing a Ford F-150 versus a Dodge Ram.