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Theo520
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The nice ones do, but poorer folk have to settle for a door code or being buzzed in. Not a reliable system for someone determined to get inside.
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Inisfallen
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Huh? I’ve never seen an armed guard at any apartment building anywhere in New York City.
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Inisfallen
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No, they don’t.
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Theo520
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Maybe we have different standards of ‘nice’
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Inisfallen
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I’m saying that apartment buildings in New York City don’t have armed guards. Nice or otherwise. That’s just not something that happens in NYC. Where did you get the idea that apartment buildings here have armed guards?Maybe we have different standards of ‘nice’
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Theo520
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I was thinking of a doorman when I responded, not an armed guard.
My mistake.
When I lived in a high rise, the doorman was dressed like a security guard and he observed the comings and goings, not really opening doors unless he saw you were in a bind or locked out for some reason.
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Inisfallen
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Oh, doormen, sure. My apartment building has a doorman. But no armed guards. I was referring to JonNC’s comment that “Places like that usually have armed guards.”
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MonteRCMS
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Everybody has their own opinion.
Here is a guy who actually USED an AR-15 to stop a criminal.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27616/man-ar-15-saves-neighbor-stabbing-attack-hank-berrien
So, ACTUAL users of the AR-15 would disagree with you.
Here is a guy who actually USED an AR-15 to stop a criminal.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/27616/man-ar-15-saves-neighbor-stabbing-attack-hank-berrien
So, ACTUAL users of the AR-15 would disagree with you.
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MonteRCMS
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Sometimes, a pistol is enough.
Woman with a pistol confronts robber with a shotgun.
click here google youtube defense
more examples as well
She fired until she ran out of ammo.
Woman with a pistol confronts robber with a shotgun.
click here google youtube defense
more examples as well
She fired until she ran out of ammo.
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Vonsalza
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Sure! But I think we could reasonably conclude that the good neighbor would be able to achieve the same result with virtually any weapon.
He didn’t need an AR to do what he did. He just needed a firearm. Which I’m all for. Let him have all the bolt and lever guns he wants.
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Vonsalza
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Thrilling story, but stupid.
If you put up a C-store in a crime ridden place, then you carry the insurance and the physical security to operate (like these plexiglass encased registers I see in the inner-city).
A good definition of “moron” would be “someone willing to risk their life for the $346.29 in the til”. It goes without saying that policy for virtually every C-store, pharmacy, bank, whatever I’ve ever had dealings with both internally and externally have the same policy on armed robbers;
“Let them take what they want. (That is cheaper than your potential medical/funeral bills we’ll be sued to pay because you tried to defend it)”.
And another example of “stupid” on her part.
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Vonsalza
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Sounds like a wild time and place to be alive!Vonsalza:
Or what we used to call “police locks” (I don’t know why) back in the bad old days of New York City, when I lived on Avenue B right up the street from one of the biggest heroin markets probably in the world.
Turn the lock and a bar extends across the whole door into the frame. And then, when you’re inside, there’s a steel rod (hard to explain this in words) that goes from a socket right in the center of the door into a socket on the floor, at about a 45-degree angle.
A good steel door and frame, and locks like that, you’re pretty safe.
I know what you’re saying about steel doors though. A bingo hall i did security at in college had a massive steel door with a heavy lock that secured where the money and equipment was kept.
…It was mounded into regular ole’ studs, flanked by regular ole’ drywall walls.
Since it was able to always open from the inside (no accidental lock-ins), you could theoretically punch through the drywall and open it at any time…
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MonteRCMS
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A robber with a shotgun ?
And you KNOW the robber isn’t going to hurt anyone.
YOU JUST KNOW THAT.
[yeah, right]
And you KNOW the robber isn’t going to hurt anyone.
YOU JUST KNOW THAT.
[yeah, right]
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MonteRCMS
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Yes, we could reasonable conclude that.
Yes, we could.
But then … the robber with the shotgun may or may not have graduated from a post-graduate program in logic.
Yes, we could.
But then … the robber with the shotgun may or may not have graduated from a post-graduate program in logic.
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Theo520
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Do you honestly think this problem is solved with lower capacity magazines? Crazy killers understand the concept of just bringing more guns to their massacre,
The Las Vegas shooter had 23 guns in his hotel room.
The virginia tech shooter had two revolvers. He really wouldn’t have been slowed down if he had old school 6 shooters and multiple speed loaders.
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Vonsalza
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The “Whole Problem”?
No sir.
A very, very substantial part of the problem?
Yes sir. Oh, yes sir.
And I’ll “up” it a little bit; I think civilians should only have access to “sporting” rifles and sporting rifles should, by definition, have fixed magazines of probably 5 rounds.
There is no defense for the yet-to-be-revealed crazy killer with the element of surprise. Making these weapons more available in the freakishly rare chance that someone will be thusly armed and at the ready when the killer beings their rampage ALSO makes the same weapons available to the killer who, again, has the advantage of timing.
You’re basically trying to put out a fire with more gasoline…
When did Walther P22s and Glock 19s become revolvers?
They’re semiautomatic handguns with detachable magazines…
Check your info, please.
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Theo520
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Apologies for misusing ‘revolver’
You failed to support that your prior changes would have much of an impact.
To your new request, I do agree that if we could magically replace every rifle and handgun with one with a max 5 shot fixed magazine, it would be helpful. The LV shooter would have only fired 115 more carefully paced shots before needing to reload. Or he might have brought all 47? of his guns to the hotel room, giving him 200+ shots before needing to reload.
You failed to support that your prior changes would have much of an impact.
To your new request, I do agree that if we could magically replace every rifle and handgun with one with a max 5 shot fixed magazine, it would be helpful. The LV shooter would have only fired 115 more carefully paced shots before needing to reload. Or he might have brought all 47? of his guns to the hotel room, giving him 200+ shots before needing to reload.
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Vonsalza
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Oh it isn’t new. I think I mentioned it in that thread covering a similar topic in late fall of last year.
I can dig it up, if you’d like.
Without some sort of buy-back or non-realistic confiscation, we couldn’t. Not instantly.
It would be one of those deals where time and chance would whittle them down to rarity, which is fine. It would have the added benefit of making these mags very expensive on the black market. Your now-$20 standard ar mag couldn’t be replaced for anything resembling that price.
This as opposed to the simple 4 mag-swaps on one rifle that he’s got to do now? Progress!
Additionally, the expense of having 23 rifles would make the event fairly rare, wouldn’t you think?
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Vonsalza
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And his use of that shotgun is made more likely when he sees you’re armed since he won’t see it until AFTER he’s already committed to the robbery…
Just cooperate and give him the money… 99.9% of the time, you’ll be fine. For the other 0.1%, you being armed probably wasn’t going to make a difference as HE had the element of surprise. Not you.
You’re just asking for a gunfight where your odds of winning is a coin-toss.
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Theo520
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I think a phased in approach doesn’t work at all unless it includes registration of all guns. People would just smuggle in old guns from abroad and say they always had them.
Bolt action guns can be very cheap, especially if you buy used. You can buy retired WW2 era bolt action rifles for sub $100. Pretty easy for someone to pick up 10 such rifles and practice reloading quickly. Even these fixed magazine bolt guns had speed loaders.
Bolt action guns can be very cheap, especially if you buy used. You can buy retired WW2 era bolt action rifles for sub $100. Pretty easy for someone to pick up 10 such rifles and practice reloading quickly. Even these fixed magazine bolt guns had speed loaders.
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