Is Trump presidency good for Catholics?

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7 Sorrows name Obama’s scandals.
And Trump had every door open for him through his whole life. And I don’t carry any hatred. I just see things as they are.
 
Do lies count as scandals?
Like how conscience rights would be protected with Obamacare or if you liked your doctor you could keep them?
I personally thought the IRS targeting was rather ugly, but the mainstream press (not to mention an unfortunate number of real life people I know) were fine with it because, you know, boo conservatives!
Maybe it’s only a scandal if MSM and Hollywood gets their knickers in a twist…
 
You think wrong. Your source of news just failed to report it. There are plenty of scandals regarding BHO, but I do not want to have to confess detraction or calumny, so I will just leave it at that. Enjoy your blissful ignorance.
 
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Indyann said:
You think wrong. Your source of news just failed to report it. There are plenty of scandals regarding BHO, but I do not want to have to confess detraction or calumny, so I will just leave it at that. Enjoy your blissful ignorance.
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If the best you can do for Barack Obama is that he has an association with someone that you don’t like in the very distant past, no, you don’t know what a scandal is. And, if that’s the best scandal you can name from your source of news, then, no there aren’t plenty of scandals. And I will just leave it at that.
 
I suspect the Apprentice tapes will ultimately be released at some point in time. I suspect they’ll be very illuminating, as will the Mueller report and complete unaltered Steele dossier.
 
How about the IRS scandal targeting conservatives?
The scandal with the guns going to Mexico?
The Bergdahl swap for 5 Guantamo detainees to be freed when 6 soldiers lost their lives searching
for Bergdahl?
The Iranian deal?
I am sure there are more…since he was president for 8 years.
 
So how are those investigations into Yemen and Niger coming along? Not to mention navy ships crashing into each other in the Pacific. Not surprisingly quiet.
 
I would say yes. A pro life Trump admistration is good for all…except maybe planned parenthood.
 
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How do you measure that? It seems the abortion rate has been declining steadily since a few years after Roe-Wade regardless of who was in the White House.
 
Well, some younger Evangelicals in the US are displeased with the Franklin Grahams and Jeffresses in Evangelicalism. It’s not a large number who are frustrated enough to do this from what I’ve read but they are seeking other denominations. Many if not a majority won’t consider the Mainline denominations because they’ve departed too much from Christian teachings. Liturgy is appealing but if it’s not backed by proper doctrine and teachings, then it’s flimsy. That leaves Eastern Orthodoxy, liturgical non-Mainline Protestantism and of course Catholicism. It’s up to these three to decide how they’ll respond to this event in the US.
 
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I don’t know if he is great for Cathoilcs, but I truly believe he has been great for the unborn and religious liberty.

Thank you Jesus!
 
Good calls on the examples there. Stop killing babies. Stop attacking the Church as an enemy for following its long established beliefs.

Those are two things SO important … my conclusion becomes … Yes.

Should Judge Gorsuch surprise everyone with as much of a “pro-choice” future record as Judge John Roberts surprised with his pro-gay marriage stand …
it might change my impression. But only if Trump knew that about Gorsuch. < AND I don’t think it to be probable that Gorsuch WILL be pro-abortion or otherwise
surprising per the moral novelties of the day.

A big part of my YES … is also due to the word Presidency in the thread title.

There are otherwise dubious things in the overall aspect of Trump’s life – multiple marriages, due to two divorces instituted by HIM.

Ostentatious displays of wealth and self-promotion that … don’t seem all that temperate humble. :roll_eyes:

But now he lives in public housing and takes public transportation … and most Catholics aren’t calling for him to divorce Melania and go back to Ivana or Marla. 🤔

I also think he’s “been good” for Americans, taxpayers, people who need jobs and energy and a few more things. In FACT, if “good” is a C to C plus … he may be … better than good. 😆
 
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In what ways Catholics believe Trump is a better model for Christian morality?
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Is this an intentional bait and switch, or accidental?

The question in your OP is very different than the question in your body.

For illustration, Carter was a great President if your question was being “a better model for Christian morality” but he really wasn’t so good at other aspects of the job.

I don’t think people elected Trump, or any president, to server primarily as their moral mentor. I think they are more focused on who he adds to the Supreme Court and the lower courts, and what he does with regulations and enforcement of the Rule of Law.
 
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If the best you can do for Barack Obama is that he has an association with someone that you don’t like in the very distant past, no, you don’t know what a scandal is. And, if that’s the best scandal you can name from your source of news, then, no there aren’t plenty of scandals. And I will just leave it at that.
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Obama didn’t have personal scandals, just those that reflected incompetent leadership.
 
Theo520 said:
Obama didn’t have personal scandals, just those that reflected incompetent leadership.
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Then you must be really hating the Trump administration which has both personal scandals and those associated with incompetent leadership.
 
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Then you must be really hating the Trump administration which has both personal scandals and those associated with incompetent leadership.
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I thought Trump has responded well to the actual scandals, not faux media generated.

ex, the guy taking too many private jet flights was fired/resigned. If Obama had acted with similar competence, he would have fired Lois Lerner etal
 
Theo520 said:
I thought Trump has responded well to the actual scandals, not faux media generated.

ex, the guy taking too many private jet flights was fired/resigned. If Obama had acted with similar competence, he would have fired Lois Lerner etal
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Well, the fact that Flynn and Manafort are gone from the White House is good news given that one is facing charges of conspiracy against the US and the other seems to be a target for investigation. But hiring people that have such poor character is a scandal in itself and one that Trump is responsible for.

As far as abusing public privilege with taxpayer paid flights, Mnuchin still has a job.

And then there is the whole Mueller investigation which has yet to play out.
 
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