ISIS reaches center of Rhamadi

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ISIS chalks up so many victories but couldn’t get Baghdad? Looks like air support would be needed to keep them out.
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Baghdad has a population of about 3 1/2 million, most of whom are Shia. Within Baghdad are the terrorist militias of Al Sadr as well as any number of Iranian soldiers and officers. Urban warfare in Baghdad would be horrific, as the Shia would know they’re fighting for their lives and have nowhere to run to. It would be house-to-house, doorway-to-doorway, rooftop-to-rooftop.

Parts of Baghdad are Sunni, and ISIS might be able to capture some parts of the city. But Baghdad is probably too hard a nut for ISIS to crack. And too, at some point, if ISIS advances far enough, Iran’s numerous, well-trained and well-equipped regular army will attack.

The U.S. Air Force (also known as the Iranian auxiliary air force) probably would not be needed; and the pitifully few sorties/day Orbama allows would not have that much effect in the defense of Baghdad any more than it did in Ramadi.
 
Tomdstone said:
How popular is ISIS with the general population? Could it gain so much territory so quickly without support from many people living in the region?
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With non-Sunni Muslims, not popular at all.

With Sunni’s, we’re probably not getting the full story, buy my guess is that their welcomed about as much as the Vietnamese welcomed the Vietcong. which was a mixed bag.

Jim
 
Tomdstone said:
How popular is ISIS with the general population? Could it gain so much territory so quickly without support from many people living in the region?
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Part of it, as I understand things, is that there was so little support from Baghdad. Sunni soldiers were commanded by Shiite political hacks. Their own officers were sacked long ago. So, they’re poorly led. I understand they are also poorly equipped. The Shiites aren’t terribly motivated to defend Sunni in the Sunni regions, and treat them terribly when they prevail.

So the Sunni have little support. We were their support, but we abandoned them. Undoubtedly some do favor ISIS, though; probably not a few do so out of resentment of our giving them hope when the war was won, then walking away from them notwithstanding that they begged us to stay longer.

These are shameful days in American history.
 
Before Iraq even elected it’s first post war government, Sunni extremists were already recruiting young Sunni men by telling them they would have no future in a Shia dominated Iraq. Needless to say they started carrying out numerous terror attacks on Shias long before any plans for US troops to leave were even being discussed.
 
Seamus_L said:
Before Iraq even elected it’s first post war government, Sunni extremists were already recruiting young Sunni men by telling them they would have no future in a Shia dominated Iraq. Needless to say they started carrying out numerous terror attacks on Shias long before any plans for US troops to leave were even being discussed.
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Of course, just as ISIS is recruiting potential terrorists in virtually every country on earth, including my own and whatever yours is.

Nevertheless, it largely died down, Al Quaeda admitted defeat and was in the process of taking its fighters elsewhere, and the Sunni tribal leaders begged us to stay longer. But Obama wouldn’t. He declared victory and scrammed.
 
Saddam before and Assad in 2011 freed radical prisoners to stir turmoil.
ISTANBUL / AMMAN // Syrian intelligence agencies released Islamist militants from prison to deliberately subvert a peaceful uprising and ignite a violent rebellion, according to a former regime security official.
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The claim comes ahead of peace talks in Switzerland on Wednesday, which President Bashar Al Assad’s government said should “fight terrorism”, a term he uses to describe all armed opposition groups.
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But according to the former security officer it was the regime that intentionally exacerbated radicalism shortly after the uprising began in March 2011 in order to make itself the least bad choice for the international community and Syrians alike.
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“The regime did not just open the door to the prisons and let these extremists out, it facilitated them in their work, in their creation of armed brigades,” said the former member of Syria’s Military Intelligence Directorate, one of more than a dozen of Syria’s secretive intelligence agencies.
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thenational.ae/world/syria/assad-regime-set-free-extremists-from-prison-to-fire-up-trouble-during-peaceful-uprising
How Syria’s Assad Helped Forge ISIS
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newsweek.com/how-syrias-assad-helped-forge-isis-255631
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Mohammed Al-Saud is under no illusions. **“In 2011, the majority of the current ISIS leadership was released from jail by Bashar Al Assad,” **he said. “No one in the regime has ever admitted this, or explained why.” Al-Saud, a Syrian dissident with the National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces, left Syria under threat of arrest in 2011.
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JimR-OCDS said:
Iran will come to Baghdad’s rescue.

This will give Israel the green light to attack Iran, which is the goal all of this nonsense.
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Israel will not attack Iran for that. Nor will anyone else.

Now, if Iran tries to mop up ISIS in Syria with regular troops, or possibly even northwestern Iraq, it could be a very different story. Israel and Turkey might well find common cause again. “The enemy of my enemy…”
 
Ridgerunner said:
These are shameful days in American history.
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Truer words were never spoken! The main stream media must clean their house and make up the lack of informative truth that has been denied the American people. Obama has got his legacy - its a sorry shame!
 
grotto said:
Truer words were never spoken! The main stream media must clean their house and make up the lack of informative truth that has been denied the American people. Obama has got his legacy - its a sorry shame!
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I agree. Meanwhile Obama speaks at a Coast Guard commencement ceremony and tells them climate change is the big threat to our country. :eek:
 
I think Newsmax, Direct TV channel 349 had the Mother of a son who gave his life fighting for Rhamadi and interviewed him. So, this was very emotional.
 
Isis is winning! They have to be stopped. If the spiritual reasons do not matter to a person (they are the personification of evil) then hopefully the practical reasons will convince them. No oil means the death of western civilization *. The only way to stop Isis is with boots on the ground.
  • That may sound like an exaggeration. However, if Isis takes over the middle east then we will have less time to transition away from oil (it is probably too late). We are running out of oil. Without oil means no military (tanks, jets etc) and starvation.
 
These men show everyone the courage and love for others - of course they are veterans of the United States military! St. Michael, Archangel, defend them in battle.

If they connect up with the Kurdish fighters they will find courageous warriors to help fight.
 
First of all climate change is a huge threat to our national security. The Pentagon (not just Obama) acknowledges that as does EVERY scientific organization in the world.
Anyway, lets get back on topic.
I agree that we should put boots on the ground. However, to say that if one does not want to risk our soldiers lives, one is unpatriotic is silly.
 
With all the violence taking place in US cities, perhaps the boots on the ground should be here at home ?

We haven’t got a clue what’s going on in the ME.

We see the atrocities of ISIS, but what we don’t see is the covert support their getting from powerful sources.

We need our people home, let the ME go the way it always has, perpetual tribal sectarian warfare.

Jim
 
Don’t worry about the oil - worry about the souls of people - starting with one’s own. 😉
 
We are running out of oil. If Isis wins we will not have time to transition.
That would be a disaster. Our military runs on oil (tanks,planes etc). Oil is needed for food production.
 
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