Islam & Muslim bashing thread?

[Angelos]

Islam does not call Jesus an ordinary prophet.

You are a man of contradictions. Whenever you debate with me, you immediately lose the control of things and start proving either your scripture or yourself a liar. The Koran defines Jesus as an ordinary prophet (the Koran used by mainstream and traditional Muslims. I am not sure if you have a different Koran version devised to support the heretic allegations of the Ahmadiyya movement):

Surah 5:75
The Messiah, son of Marium is but an apostle; apostles before him have indeed passed away.

Yes, I believe he made himself into a god…

We are not here to consider your faulty suppositions or biased misinterpretations. My aim is to debunk your theories through the verses in the Gospels.

Jesus was a prophet like all the other Israeli prophets before him. Only thing is that he was the last of the Israeli prophets under the command of Moses a.s. He was a Jew and a Mosaic israeli prophet who came to correct the blunders of the Jewish people. But they rejected him. He followed he law of Moses a.s. in a proper way, trying to explain the good things of that law to the Jews. He taught Jews to be gentle and honest and God fearing.

Now you are contradicting your primary statement by saying that Jesus was an ordinary Israeli prophet.

The New Testament dissents from your assertions when it identifies Jesus as the Messiah, the Son of the living God.

Sorry, we cannot allow two modes to Jesus at once.

I do not think that we have ever asked for your permission. Who are you to allow the Lord what to do? What a blasphemy!

Quite interesting. You know that when he died he was in human nature. How many times did he change his nature in 24 hours? When he was praying he was in human nature. What a bundle of flaws you are carrying please?

He never changed His nature. He was BOTH God and man. Do you believe that even human soul is immortal?

You want every one to believe you?

I only want everyone to see the truth in the New Testament and the mistakes of the Koran.

1. In the Koran only Jesus was born miraculously with no human father. (No such thing in the Quran . Please show the verse.).

Maybe your Koran is different. This is your problem. In the Koran version used by true Muslims, it is written that Mary gave birth to Jesus when She was a virgin (Surah 3:47).

1. In the Koran only Jesus is called God’s word. ( Perhaps, but all things are created by the word of God. Not only Jesus.)

No other prophet or thing is called God’s word in the Koran though! Of all the messengers, only Jesus is given that title.

1. In the Koran only Jesus is given the ability to create like Allah.
   ( Not true. Nobody creates anything. It is Allah who creates. The others, specially those who are being worshipped, they create nothing. They are dead and do not know when they will be raised to life again. Jesus is one of them.)

According to the Koran, Allah made Jesus equal to Himself when He let Jesus create birds from mud through the breath of His mouth (Surah 3:49).

Not true. Every pious one is raised in nearness to Allah. The name of Jesus is only mentioned because he was ridiculed by the Jews and tried to be killed on cross so that he would be a condemned (Cursed) person. Allah has cleared Jesus from that charge and told us that he was not a cursed person. He was drawn in nearness to Allah (God).

Of all the messengers of Allah, only Jesus is said to have been assumed to Allah’s presence in the Koran (Surah 4:158 & Surah 3:55). Mainstream Islam teaches that Issa was bodily assumed into heaven.

 

[Angelos]

You are so patient. Thank you for replying for me :curtsey:

You are welcome.

 

[Lance]

You are abusive. You have the right to believe what you like about Muhammad. But do not forget Mary Magd, the secret wife of Jesus, if you are so advanced in your faulty ideas. And I could mention the birth of Jesus too in doubtful circumstances. Would you like that? Please restrain yourself and keep to the good side of things.

Show me just one reliable source that says Jesus was married to anyone. You can’t so quit writting things you know to be untrue. I have never said anything untrue about Islam so try sticking to facts, even though it may be difficult for you. Mohammid was an admitted pedophile, polygamist and murderer. You bet I am abusive when it comes to people who bash my religion. You should follow your own advice and keep to the good side of things. Rather than coming to a Catholic forum and bashing us you should try to point out some of the good things to come out of Islam. I can’t think of anything in the last 500 years, so please enlighten us.

 

[morning_star777]

** But do not forget Mary Magd, the secret wife of Jesus,**

Does your Koran support it?you are inspired by the da vinci code!Do not believe da vinci code!it is a fiction.ya most of fiction books and movies are very popular like The lord of the rings.though it is a fiction but you know it is a nice movie.so most of fictions are very nice but they are always fiction and it is not wise to be inspired by a fiction.and da vinci code is not only a fiction but also a lie and it is a baseless anti christian book with lots of laughable theory.and your scriptures also do not support this wife theory of jesus.but what can i say?at past you proved us that you deny some parts of your own scriptures what do not support your theory

 

[planten]

Show me just one reliable source that says Jesus was married to anyone. You can’t so quit writting things you know to be untrue. I have never said anything untrue about Islam so try sticking to facts, even though it may be difficult for you. Mohammid was an admitted pedophile, polygamist and murderer. You bet I am abusive when it comes to people who bash my religion. You should follow your own advice and keep to the good side of things. Rather than coming to a Catholic forum and bashing us you should try to point out some of the good things to come out of Islam. I can’t think of anything in the last 500 years, so please enlighten us.

** I do not have to teach you anything. You can read the bible the man made book. You can find there the name of Mary Magd. What relation did she have with Jesus? The recent discoveries have shown that she was the wife of Jesus and they had a son too. They have discovered a tomb of the family of Jesus.

Then there is a book and film by some Italian specialist (Engineer) who proved the marriage. If you do not like it then do not enter such fields. Please read the book and see the film Da Vinci Code.

The birth of Jesus in doubtful circumstances is well known to every one. But church has been justifying it some how. She (Mary) was found to be pregnant before she met her husband.

You cannot have everything good for yourself and deny the same to others. You will try to prove that Mary was made pregnant by the holy ghost. Who will believe you? If you are such an evil minded person. I had advised you to lay off the bad ideas. But you insist. So I have repeated what I said before. My reply is only for you. Not for any one else here. **

 

[planten]

Does your Koran support it?you are inspired by the da vinci code!Do not believe da vinci code!it is a fiction.ya most of fiction books and movies are very popular like The lord of the rings.though it is a fiction but you know it is a nice movie.so most of fictions are very nice but they are always fiction and it is not wise to be inspired by a fiction.and da vinci code is not only a fiction but also a lie and it is a baseless anti christian book with lots of laughable theory.and your scriptures also do not support this wife theory of jesus.but what can i say?at past you proved us that you deny some parts of your own scriptures what do not support your theory

**Please do not advise me. Try to advise Lance. At present I am dealing with Lance only. I do not care what my scripture says about Mary. That is for me, not for Lance. If he/she is abusive then the abuse will come back to Lance.

What is the use of abusing the near and dear ones of any faith? I doubt if Lance is any christian. But thanks for your good words. I am aware of all that you have written. Would you kindly make a general post about a normal good behaviour in this forum?**

 

[cathopologist]

planten, why do you repeatedly ridicule yourself by insisting the Duh Vinci Code is fact or Mary Magdelene was married to Jesus, or that Mary, Mother of God was pregnant before she met Joseph?

Do you know how to separate fact from fiction?

Muslims in Malawi are urging the government to ban the movie The Da Vinci Code for portraying Jesus as a married man who fathered a child, the head of a national association said on Wednesday.

“**It is clear that the contents of the film are acts of blasphemy **and the government should not allow its distribution in a country where Jesus is accepted as Allah’s [God’s] prophet,” said Shareef Mahomed, secretary general of the Muslim Association of Malawi.

Even Muslims disagree with your mumbo-jumbo theories.

 

[Lance]

** I do not have to teach you anything. You can read the bible the man made book. You can find there the name of Mary Magd. What relation did she have with Jesus? The recent discoveries have shown that she was the wife of Jesus and they had a son too. They have discovered a tomb of the family of Jesus.

Then there is a book and film by some Italian specialist (Engineer) who proved the marriage. If you do not like it then do not enter such fields. Please read the book and see the film Da Vinci Code.

The birth of Jesus in doubtful circumstances is well known to every one. But church has been justifying it some how. She (Mary) was found to be pregnant before she met her husband.

You cannot have everything good for yourself and deny the same to others. You will try to prove that Mary was made pregnant by the holy ghost. Who will believe you? If you are such an evil minded person. I had advised you to lay off the bad ideas. But you insist. So I have repeated what I said before. My reply is only for you. Not for any one else here. **

I give up. There is no sense trying to discuss anything with you. Of course Mary Magdalene is in the Bible. She was a deciple of Jesus, there is no mention of any relationship other that. Of course I don’t expect you to be able to comprehend that because you are so blinded by your hatrid of Christians.

 

[Lance]

planten, why do you repeatedly ridicule yourself by insisting the Duh Vinci Code is fact or Mary Magdelene was married to Jesus, or that Mary, Mother of God was pregnant before she met Joseph?

Do you know how to separate fact from fiction?

.

Obviously not.

 

[dolphinlove]

Before i even start replying and try to make sense of the rubbish you have gone on here with. You have reached new heights of absurdity. Not even the writers of the da vinci code could come up with this stuff!

** I do not have to teach you anything. You can read the bible the man made book. **

How many times do we have to tell you the bible is God’s final book? Not the quran. The bible specifically warns us about false prophets, just like your muhammad, falling for these false ‘angels of light’
2 cor
13 These people are counterfeit apostles, dishonest workers disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
14 **There is nothing astonishing in this; even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. **

You can find there the name of Mary Magd. What relation did she have with Jesus? The recent discoveries have shown that she was the wife of Jesus and they had a son too. They have discovered a tomb of the family of Jesus.

 

[Lance]

platen,
I am a Latin Rite Catholic, what kind/denomination Muslim are you? I would like to try to understand where you come up with some of the ideas you espouse here.

 

[planten]

planten, why do you repeatedly ridicule yourself by insisting the Duh Vinci Code is fact or Mary Magdelene was married to Jesus, or that Mary, Mother of God was pregnant before she met Joseph?

Do you know how to separate fact from fiction?

Even Muslims disagree with your mumbo-jumbo theories.

**Lance wrote :

** I believe Mohammid was a pedophile and a false prophet****

From where did he/she get such a bad thing to post? Similarly I had something telling me from a reasonable reliable source that Jesus was secretly married to Mary Magd and they had a son too.

So please see to these things yourself and protect your Jesus. I do not care whether the Muslims are objecting to that video “Da Vinci Code”. It is useful to me and I do not object to that video.

You cannot have it greased on both sides by abusing our prophet and protecting your own sages as sinless. They are not sinless at all.

Before writing those bad words, Lance should have looked in own house how much dirt and rubbish was there.

 

[planten]

Show me just one reliable source that says Jesus was married to anyone. You can’t so quit writting things you know to be untrue. I have never said anything untrue about Islam so try sticking to facts, even though it may be difficult for you. Mohammid was an admitted pedophile, polygamist and murderer. You bet I am abusive when it comes to people who bash my religion. You should follow your own advice and keep to the good side of things. Rather than coming to a Catholic forum and bashing us you should try to point out some of the good things to come out of Islam. I can’t think of anything in the last 500 years, so please enlighten us.

**You had written:

I believe Mohammid was a pedophile and a false prophet.**

Was that from some reliable source that Muhammad was a false prophet? I had the reliable source about Mary Magd and Jesus and their secret relation, and a son too. About the birth of Jesus, it is all in the bible that Mary was found pregnant before she met her husband.

What could be more reliable source for you than the bible NT? Think hard about the honored persons of all faiths. If you insist on what you had written then I will never believe that Jesus birth was legal. I feel that you are not a Catholic…

 

[dzheremi]

It is “useful” to you in tearing down the traditional Christian AND Muslim understandings of Jesus, so it doesn’t matter to you whether or not it has any basis in fact. That’s just sad. You are a sad man, Planten.

Also, Jesus is not just a “sage” in Christianity, but I think even the Quran says Jesus was without sin, doesn’t it? (I am asking you, since you are the Muslim, so please do not tell me to look it up and bring the verse; I would if I had the time, but I am trusting you know your scripture well enough to refute that if it is refutable)

So it is not just an issue of defending “our” Jesus, but also defending your religion’s own depiction of Him regarding this issue. Maybe you do not care that the majority of Muslims as well as all of Christiandom is against you here, but it makes you look very strange indeed. I must confess to you, Planten, that the more of your posts I read the more I think that you don’t really care about any traditional interpretation of anything, Christian or Islamic. It makes it hard to discuss things with you because at least other Muslims will stick to traditional understandings of their own scripture, even if that understanding prevents them from giving ours the respect that we feel it deserves. You don’t seem to do even that.

 

[planten]

It is “useful” to you in tearing down the traditional Christian AND Muslim understandings of Jesus, so it doesn’t matter to you whether or not it has any basis in fact. That’s just sad. You are a sad man, Planten.

Also, Jesus is not just a “sage” in Christianity, but I think even the Quran says Jesus was without sin, doesn’t it? (I am asking you, since you are the Muslim, so please do not tell me to look it up and bring the verse; I would if I had the time, but I am trusting you know your scripture well enough to refute that if it is refutable)

So it is not just an issue of defending “our” Jesus, but also defending your religion’s own depiction of Him regarding this issue. Maybe you do not care that the majority of Muslims as well as all of Christiandom is against you here, but it makes you look very strange indeed. I must confess to you, Planten, that the more of your posts I read the more I think that you don’t really care about any traditional interpretation of anything, Christian or Islamic. It makes it hard to discuss things with you because at least other Muslims will stick to traditional understandings of their own scripture, even if that understanding prevents them from giving ours the respect that we feel it deserves. You don’t seem to do even that.

**Please tell me, did I post anything about the secret marriage of Jesus with Mary magd before Lance came down upon our prophet Muhammad with nasty ideas?
Forget what we believe as per Quran and Sunnah. I am now looking at other things which Lance is not looking at. Lance had no proof and no right to say anything terribly bad. Lance earned a bad reputation. I am all well in my good beliefs. But I would like Lance only to explain the secret marriage of Jesus and the doubtful birth of Jesus.

My post was meant only for Lance. I cannot understand why others have jumped into it, directing their posts to me and nothing to Lance who started all the trouble. Please see and believe what I said.**

 

[planten]

I need explanation from Lance only about the secret marriage of Jesus with Mary Magd. Also about the birth of Jesus in doubtful circumstances. Shall I believe that Jesus was secretly married to Mary magd and shall I believe that Jesus birth was very much doubtful matter?

My holy book (Quran) does not tell me such bad things. But there are other sources, books, videos and bible which give information that the above is true.

 

[dzheremi]

Please tell me, did I post anything about the secret marriage of Jesus with Mary magd before Lance came down upon our prophet Muhammad with nasty ideas?

What does Jesus being married have to do with Lance’s opinion of your prophet?

Forget what we believe as per Quran and Sunnah. I am now looking at other things which Lance is not looking at. Lance had no proof and no right to say anything terribly bad. Lance earned a bad reputation. I am all well in my good beliefs. But I would like Lance only to explain the secret marriage of Jesus and the doubtful birth of Jesus.

Because you are insulting Jesus Christ and Christianity. That is my religion, and I will defend it just as you defend yours. If you don’t like it, do not insult my religion.

With regard to what Lance said, that is a common point made by some Christians because it is recorded in Islamic writings that Muhammad consumated his “marriage” to a 9 year old when he was an old man. For Christians, such things are not okay, and in Western socities, such things are illegal and deemed pedophilia.

It is not likely a point that I would make (not because I am okay with pedophilia or anything like that, but because it immediately puts Muslims on the defensive in a way that shuts down any conversation), but Lance made it and I think it should not be swept under the rug just because you hate it. The difference between his allegation and yours is that his is attested to in YOUR OWN scripture, while yours is not in any accepted Christian writings, only in a book whose writer admitted was fiction.

 

[planten]

What does Jesus being married have to do with Lance’s opinion of your prophet?

Why should Lance or anyone have to explain YOUR theories to you? It is enough to say “I don’t believe in that”, just as you do whenever you tell us that this or that behavior is not Islam as you believe it should be practiced. That is not the most in-depth answer you could give, but it is illustrative of what you do or do not believe is part of your religion. Similarly, NO Catholic believes that Jesus was married or had children. How can Lance or anyone else explain “Jesus’ secret marriage” when it is something that sounds ridiculous to them?

Because you are insulting Jesus Christ and Christianity. That is my religion, and I will defend it just as you defend yours. If you don’t like it, do not insult my religion.

With regard to what Lance said, that is a common point made by some Christians because it is recorded in Islamic writings that Muhammad consumated his “marriage” to a 9 year old when he was an old man. For Christians, such things are not okay, and in Western socities, such things are illegal and deemed pedophilia.

It is not likely a point that I would make (not because I am okay with pedophilia or anything like that, but because it immediately puts Muslims on the defensive in a way that shuts down any conversation), but Lance made it and I think it should not be swept under the rug just because you hate it. The difference between his allegation and yours is that his is attested to in YOUR OWN scripture, while yours is not in any accepted Christian writings, only in a book whose writer admitted was fiction.

** I did not want to reply to you. But you have tried to give support to Lance. So please see that the birth of Jesus in doubtful circumstances, is very much in the bible NT your sacred book.

Also Leonardo Da Vinci was an educated christian who investigated all about the relation of Jesus with Mary Magd. He described it. So please believe if you believe the bad things about Muhammad. Those things about Muhamamd are not in the Quran. They are in the writings of men.

Similarly, the secret marriage of Jesus with Mary Magd is also in some book written by a man. So you have to believe both things or reject both things. You have not advised anything to Lance to desist from bad ideas. If you had done it then there would be no attack on your religion and you will not need to defend your religion.

I was not attacking any one here. I tell you honestly that I never thought about the illegal birth of Jesus or the secret marriage of Jesus to Mary Magd until I read those bad words of Lance here. Shall I hope for any justice from you?. **

 

[dzheremi]

** So please see that the birth of Jesus in doubtful circumstances, is very much in the bible NT your sacred book. **

And in your Qur’an, where He is born of a virgin.

Also Leonardo Da Vinci was an educated christian who investigated all about the relation of Jesus with Mary Magd. He described it.

 

[cathopologist]

I believe Mohammid was a pedophile and a false prophet.

**
**I normally shy away from calling people names, but in Mohammad’s case, it is sadly, undeniable. Read Matthew 7:15-23, then read 2 Peter 2:2-3 to fully understand the Christian position.

Was that from some reliable source that Muhammad was a false prophet?

**
**Our reliable source is our Bible, which you hold as corrupt because your prophet thinks he knows Christianity better after being born more than 600 years later. Read 1 Corinthians 14:32-37 to further expound on the prophesies.

I had the reliable source about Mary Magd and Jesus and their secret relation, and a son too. About the birth of Jesus, it is all in the bible that Mary was found pregnant before she met her husband.

**
Your “reliable sources” are known gnostic authors and fiction writers. Nobody critical of religion ever takes such writers seriously. Only you.
**

What could be more reliable source for you than the bible NT? Think hard about the honored persons of all faiths. If you insist on what you had written then I will never believe that Jesus birth was legal. I feel that you are not a Catholic…

Read Deuteronomy 13:1-5 and then turn to Deuteronomy 18:20:
“But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.”
Mohammad did die by poisoning. Also refer to Jerome 14:14-16.

I do not expect you to believe what the Holy Bible speaks of your prophet. You have chosen to be in a religion that spews hatred, lies and continues to provide gross misinformation of Jews and Christians to this very day. I, just as the others would like to emphasize on this fact. It may sound unbelievable to you planten, but everyone here is praying for you and others like you daily. We do not hate Muslims, we disagree with your prophet’s teachings.

PS: Please use suitable fonts and try not to use neon colors. I am epileptic. Thank you.